Sumea Modeller Challenge

judging by your entry last comp this should be pretty good. the only thing i'd suggest is a bit more variation in the suit so that its less symetrical. thats all though, i'm looking forward to seeing it in 3d.

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awesome work, that has a great sense of charcter to it especially the face. The sense of weight is very nice, seems a bit bland at the moment but i'm sure the texturing should add the necessary detail. looking forward to more progress

Hey, that's looking very nice. He looks a little bit stunted in height, but otherwise a very cool model!

Great looking model and neat work with the head. After seeing your previous challenge I'm looking forward to the texture.

cheers.

Looks great, really like the face.

Alright, this is my texture so far. The colour scheme isn?t final but I don?t have much free time to spend on this project so I?m just going to have to do my best to getting it finished. Crits are very welcome as I need some more direction. Thank you.

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looking pretty awesome, can't wait for the final, only cir would be a little bit more contrast but that ought to come eventually anyway

the ornate armour was right out of left field for me! but it look very good and is working well - I think the direction you are travelling now is just fine :)

I may add a money shot later if I can.
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Well done, you're challenger #11! (if you want to edit your post to add a money shot, you can, but you have till 12 EST)

Gratz! Great job! that money shot is on the money :)

I really dig the pose of this character. I have to ask, is that your face? (i sometimes do that, cheaper than subscribing to 3dSK ;) )
Congrats again.

Pop

top work as allways, that head is really something!

Oops, I made the image too big, and yeah it has some resemblance but only a tiny bit because I only have my self to refer to most of the time, and I?m a bit stingy with money.

Souri, I really enjoyed taking part in this challenge so I?d like to say thank you for making it possible, and I am pretty sure, I wouldn?t have the 3d modelling skills that I have today if it wasn?t for these challenges. So any way, should I change the image size to 800x600?

oh yeah sould I have the poly count and texure size on the money shot?

My Favourite by far - excellent job goodgod [:)]

awesome work, i think you'll certainly be in with a good shot at clinching this one (which is deserving considering how close you were last time). once again yours is my fave, a great model and some brilliant texturing, overall its a very clean design that you executed brilliantly.

This is brilliant, I love all those different textures you've done, really professional stuff. I can definitely see this entry winning the comp, it's definately my number one pick.

hey dude... just want to say nice work..

yours was my personal favourite last time round... and same this challenge..

really tidy texturing... and a well balanced model... my only crit is that perhaps the armour looks a bit flat in areas and the rivots kinda make it look a bit retro .... not sure if that was what you were going for...

but overall it looks great and really is a pro effort..

thumbs up[:)]

ooooh looking nice, the blue bits under the skin are pretty non descript though. making them appear more of a surface or something might look better.

looking good, very fast and impressive work on the texture. i especially like the headset and the blue glow it creates on the skin, it will be good to see how the rest of the body looks. it would be nice to see it against a lighter background so that the features are easier to pick out. keep it up

Hi all. Here is some more on JETPACKJACK, I did not get as much done as I would have liked but it is slowly getting there, what you see is just the texture no lighting its just a stand max render. as you can see there is still a bit more to go but it should be all done soon I hope.

I will repost this one again once I get done.

Very nice!
have you given thought what unreal material effects you're going to use?

thx, And no I still need to work out how to use them and get the progam its not something that ive used, but i still have 2 months to learn.lol

Looking very cool, keep it up.

Whilst its technically well done, the design is kind of...well, weird.

THe armour seems to be a collection of random detials. It just doesnt look like armour (well to my anyway). The chest piece is alright but the rest are just too noisy. Like the shin gaurds for example, its hard to tell what is going on as there is so much going on, it looks like you have just gone bananas with little indents here and there.
The colours also could use some toning down. There are a lot of different and bold colours going on, they all seem to be fighting each other for my eyes attention.

This probably sounds a little harsh, but I am only saying this becuase I think you have the technical skills to pull off a really nice texture.
You just need to think more about the design as it is soo important. When it goes ingame, poeple wont be care if it isnt 100% pixal perfect rendered, if it is a well constructed, well designed thought out character(or whatever) then it will really stand out.

Just my 02cents :)

gotta agree with makk and personally id like to see something that really breaks away from the basic human male silouhette in the design. a neat feature of armour or something. i know theres the jepacks and eyepeice but take like the silouhette of the front view and it becomes less noticable

like makk said you really have the technical skills, so itd be great to see them taken to their full potential.

No thats cool guys im just more or less playing around with it at the momment.

Im hoping it will look a lot better at the end im just playing with a few things till i see how it looks and what parts look better.
I gess I have a strange way of doing things lol[;)]

Again thx for the feed back its always good
too keep me on my toes,I find I work better
under (hi psi).

old

The one problem I have when looking at this is that the armour looks like it's painted on his skin, especially around the thighs and arms. I think that had you extruded the armour like you did on the shins then you would get a better effect. cheers.

Hi 3darty, the texture is looking pretty good mate! I agree with Lechy, regarding the armour plates needing to be extruded away from the body. Whats the poly count? It looks like you would have enough polys to do this and also still heaps of time left too. How's the job hunting going, i just sent my cv/reel out to some of the local companies last week and plan to send it out to some others this week.

Here he is, All im going to do now is some more photo shots in hi-res
and with one of him flying.

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Looking better now around the legs and neck. Perhaps some more dynamic poses and camera angles with the action shot. cheers.

Ok this is me done.[:D]

Polygon Count: 3492

K Byrnes
3D.Arty

Excellent job, well done!
That shot of him in flight is pretty cool! [:D]

THX Palantir

well done and good luck :)

Congratulations! Superb work particularly texturing.

Thx Guys.

And best of luck to all in the challenge.

well done. looks good.

Finished already! bloody hell I gotta get cracking with my model.

Top work and good luck.

Congrats 3DArty. You're challenger #1!

I know this is a bit late but here is the 3d lines the way it was ment to be done, sorry if this was late Souri. but the ones that I first did are hard to see. as you can see. Im not sure if I can do this but here go,s.

Hey Damien, I love your concept! I'm keen to see your WIP's. Has a bit of a techy navy seal feel to me.

Thanks mate. Yeah I went through a lot of pics of soldiers, swat teams and stuff for reference.

This is where I got to today, around 2500 triangles so far.

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Looking nice, keep it up.

Just a note on the proportions. Seems the crotch area is a little saggy and makes his legs look stumpy.

I don't know about the placement of the shoulders under all that upper armour either. I think maybe you should take notice of where the collar bone should be and then line it up towards the shoulders.

Otherwise good start!

IronHide, good call on the proportions. I should really use reference more. I've adjusted the shoulders and fiddled with his crotch a bit (you heard me). I'll finish the rest of the modelling tomorrow, bed time now.

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Just about done with modelling, he's at 3410 triangles at the moment, will no doubt add some more edges when rigging.

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that was pretty fast, and a great result, everything seems pretty well distributed. my only crit is that the legs are far too short for the body (the arms seem fine), if u just lengthen them it should be great. that all though, i'm looking forward to your texturing

Nice work, what weapons is he going to have?

conundrum: Legs still too short? Okay will fix it.

xyz: Weapons? Um don't know, hadn't really thought about it. If I do a weapon does it count towards the poly count?

Very early texture work:

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Probably going to take a while to texture, haven't really done much texturing and the Unwrap is fairly terrible :)

wee he is from the x men
;)

might want to try more combat colours

yeah agreed with rastus, yellows ok for for a mutant in spandex but when your mostly trying to blend with your background its not a terribly good idea :P. perhaps another shade of blue you could get away with or just something a lot more desaturated

Hi, done a little more texturing. You're right about the colours, probably not that great for blending into the shadows, just thought I'd try something different. I've tried desaturating the colours a little, looks a little strange, I'll most likely change the colours altogether like you've suggested.

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Well my room mate asked for his Wacom tablet back today so had to put a halt to texturing briefly, so I decided to see if I could figure out how to import characters into UT. Well I got him in, but there is a slight scale issue hehe, cool to see running around in there though.

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Anyone know if that's to do with the scale in Max, or something that can be fixed in UnrealED?

it is something that can be fixed in UnrealED (allthough i gotta say i reckon it looks cool to have a hulking giant :P ).

in the animations browser (assuming your using the default male skeleton) pull out "thundercrash" which will be by default in the packages drop down list. then go mesh>>copy mesh properties. switch back to your newly imported characters package and go mesh>>paste mesh properties.

this effectively scales and rotates your character to the right values for UT, usefull for when youve been modelling in a differnt setup (say X up, unreals Z up i think) and without real care for scale.

Ah figured it out. He's using a custom skeleton, so it was the initial scale in max that was wrong. All working now, thanks :)

Hey, got back to some texturing yesterday. Changed the colours - got rid of the yellow, went for some urban-camo stuff in the lighter parts of his uniform. Let me know what you think of the changes so far.

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Hi, looking good so far. Im going to have to make sure my scale is all good too, i dont have any of the unreal games/editors to import the model into, mayb i should look into getting one.

oh yeah thats much better, enchances the whole theme of the character aswell

Very nice, makes me think of arctic missions

Minor texture update, still more to do. I'm not happy with the way some of it has turned out so far, might go back and redo some of it if I've got time, but my mate needed his tablet back so I doing the rest of the texture with a mouse, not fun hehe.

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Very ncie work. I love the design and the overall look of this model, he definately looks like he fits in a game. You could probably be a bit more subtle on the face though. Too many strong creases, I think. I'd also give him more areas of colour in some areas, he has quite a fair bit of white/pale there apart from the creases. Anyway, nice work!

Great design, but the texture is not doing it justice. You have all that detail in the upper body but it is lost because it's too dark. The texture on the face looks like he had just taken off a pair of ski goggles and the area around got sunburnt, Maybe try and keep an even tone all the way to the edge of the headgear. The eyepatch looks like it's floating as well, maybe put a little shadow around the edges to show that it's in contact with the skin. Hope that was helpful.

Damn, and I was so proud of his face, it's the first half-decent one I've done hehe :) I'll definetely look into toning down the creases and adding some colour variation, thanks.

Hi, didn't see your post until just now Lechy, thanks for the advice on the textures. Good point about the eye thing too.

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Been playing around with animations too.

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That run cycle is looking VERY cool [:D].. I makes a huge difference seeing these things in motion, I think.

Yeah, the run cycle adds some extra character too the figure! unanimated model looks good to by the way :)

Cool! The run cycle animation looks really good, and the character is great.

Well I haven't had internet access at home for the past few weeks, so that's why I haven't been updating. So here's my final entry as I won't be able to submit tomorrow:

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Didn't have time to set up a nice money shot sorry about that hehe. I know it's not part of the comp, but I did some animation too so I'll attach that too:

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I like it. I bet it'll look great with its textures!

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Here are a few concepts I came up with. Crits and favourites are welcome. I haven't decided on one so comments may sway my decision.
The first one shows the general colour scheme I'm thinking of using.

all pretty nice concepts, i'd say the last would be my favourite, i like the flow of the design and its pretty original. looking forward to the start of modelling.

Thanx conundrum. The flow just kind of came to me as I sketched him out. I'm still having a hard time choosing. After looking at him for a while, it dawned on me that I feel he looks a little too similar to the bald guy from the Goliath clan that's already in UT so I'm kind of stearing away from him now.

The first image is my favourite, I like the design of the body, seems very solid and heavy, and I really like the design of the boots and arm. Not so sure about the head though, I like the idea of having something like the third pic's head on the first guy, more of a human in armour than a full on robot. Or some kind of cool mask like in the second pic.

Yeah Damien, I agree. I have chosen to take on the first concept and was also considering the head of the second guy on it.

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Here's a pic of my model pretty much finished. I'm now unwrapping it and hoping I have enough time to finish it in time.

nice work... good volume.. looks like a real ass-kicker..

This looks great! good luck getting finished in time

Looks pretty solid to me.

cool idea. Is it going to be an armoured beetle, or beetle themed armour though? Either way I'm looking forward to how this idea turns out.

The original idea was beetle themed armour, but the thought had crossed my mind to go with the armoured beetle thing. I might do a cyborg-ey bug skin if time permits.

Boo! I'm back from the desolate wasteland of page 3 and I've brought someone with me...

Forgive my lack of progress, RL can be a beech at times. This charming fellow, now more or less complete, weighs in at 3498 tris. Crits would be appreciated, especially if they come soon because I really need to get unwrapping. :D

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Wow, that?s pretty cool, and very original.
The only crit from me is to make sure it has enough edge loops around the shoulders and the top of the legs to deform properly. Can?t really tell without a wire, but it looks like it would animate fine.
So get unwrapping! [:)]

looks great! what kind of texture are you planning on? (just because its beetle themed dosent mean it has to resemble one from nature)

ATM I'm messing around with a near-future military skin, but I'm not sure yet. I'm borrowing a few ideas from newer fighter jets, the zig-zag panel lines and such.

Now you mention it I'm not sure about the joint deformation, but there's room to cut some more polys and add another loop or two if necessary, so I'll see how it goes. Thanks for the crits. :)

Do you ride a motorbike? the back of that beetle reminds me of a motorbike fuel tank. Pretty cool so far though.

awesome! i love it

As I was unwrapping I found TO MY HORROR! that the arms suck... gonna redo them and chances are I won't make the deadline. But when he's done I'll stick him up somewhere anyway.

They are all good concepts. I think I like the second one the best, which would make for a cool model, but the last one is also very unique which is a plus. It?s a tough choice since they are all cool!

If you were going to go for the last one, I think the concept might need a bit more fleshing out. I don?t know about those arms.

Did you take pictures of your sketch book with a digital camera? Genius! Now I know how to get my concepts posted. Tidy sketches too.

Hey, thanks for your responses, and yes I don't have a scanner so all my drawings you see on Sumea is from a digi cam!

Alright there was something in the heavy woman concept, but since there were enough heavies in capable hands, I switched the basic design to a "light" soldier.

I've done a colour study of the character and I hope it's still in the "urban primitive" style of curtins and sumeacools. It works in red and blue and has those glowy bits everyone's talking about.

What do you guys reckon? Does it follow the game look and feel? Need opinions!

By the way, do I have to design the weapons for it too?

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I find it hard to imagine how this creature would walk looking at the physicality of it's legs, it's hard to make out whether it can actually bend at it's knees or not. If you're going for the bird/raptor style of leg try shortening the lower limb and lengthening the mid limb. I like it overall but maybe needs some refining.

not a great fan of the colour scheme but the designs neat, personally id investigate a few variation on the shoulders though and pick which you like best

Hey IronhideNT,

I like where you're going with the design of the 'light', and i think perhaps you could push it even further.

But I agree with Wizenedoldman that the legs need to articulate better, and to me it looks a bit top-heavy with those retro shoulder pads. Although, i could see it working if the 'light' walked and ran more like a dog and only stood up to attack and to look ahead (Like a Meerkat) [:D]
Maybe the design of the light class makes it the least human looking of the three, because it's built for speed and reconaissance? You could push the form to be more dog like, or expand on your original drawings for the heavy and bring in multi-jointed arms?

Hey thanks for your responses, they were helpful!

Actually puck I was heading down the animal deformation path, but I was thinking more insect like a grasshopper. I was also debating what type of head this thing should have. I originally planned for a scary looking human head, but as you said, it may not fit the design very well. hmmmm.

I had to get on the modelling stage so here's just an overall shape of the concept into 3D plus the various changes that everyone suggested.

Yeah, the mesh is ugly but I was wondering what you guys thought of the look of it overall?

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I hope you don't take this the wrong way but I think the legs look kinda goofy at the moment. Maybe it's the rounded bend at the back, are they going to be mechanical? Because if they are maybe it would look better if there was a mechanical joint there instead of a rubbery like bend. The body armour looks pretty cool. I'm not sure I like the arms though, a little thin. Anyway that's just my opinion. cheers.

yeah the original version where the legs went into a sort of new armour set on the lower leg does look a lot better then just rubbery bends. I thought the human ish head looked allright but in retrospect i suppose its sort of non sensical, pad out a couple of ideas i suppose.

Yeah thanks for picking that up guys! Seemed like I totally forgot my concept while modeling. Ah well.

Here's a new update I've been working on and it's 3376 polys with abit more refining to go.

Right now the arms are sticking into a hole on the main body armour - it's actually not attached to anything. It's all good but on occaions you can see through the gap between the arm and the armour. Is there a way game models get around this problem to patch it up?

Once again feedback on the character would be great.

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That's looking cool, is he all robotic now or does he have organic bits to him like in the original concepts?

I wouldn't worry too much about seeing the gap between the arm and armour, I'd imagine it's very rare you see that close up when playing UT, though you may have some issues with the arm crashing through the armour at the more extreme poses. Again, this will be hard to pick up in UT anyway. I know that a few of the UT models that come with the game have the same issues with arms crashing through shoulders, and they've solved it by sticking huge shoulder pads on the character so you can't see it :)

Maybe now would be a good time to do a quick rig to see how it all works?

Hey Damien thanks for your advice!

Yeah, compared to my original idea it's gone more robotic than I wanted. But somehow, it looked okay in my sketches, but when I did it in 3D it was beginning to look strange ...guess I need more experience.

Cause there's not long to go I've told myself to go ahead with unwrapping and texturing. Now I haven't fully decided on the colour scheme, but I was playing around and came up with this:

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What do you guys reckon? It's meant to be a female type thing.

Texturing wasn't really working for me and I've figured it's because the design's a little shoddy. I've reworked the modeling side of things to try to get a more feminine look out of her. Gone are the "I'm about to take off" shoulder pad wings and replaced with a more subtle fabric cape. I also got rid of the head shell with a spikey anime type pony tail thing. Anyway its 3470 polys and there's no turning back now....I hope!

Does fabric have to be attached to the model?

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PM kez about the fabric stuff, he'd be the person to ask. I like the new shoulder pads though, but it does make it look like the torso could be scaled down just a bit

Really cool character design!

Alright here we go again.

In typical me fashion I have remodeled parts of it again and re-unwrapped them. Now when I look back at it, her body did look too big, so thanks for picking that up! She's got a more "small but quick" feel that I wanted so yeah, modelling is done done done!

Now texturing. I don't really understand UT2k4, but if I read those UDN docs correctly, I'll be using spec maps - is that okay? Also do I have to paint in the glowy bits myself or does UT2k4 magically do it for me?

I've just roughly blocked in the colours for the moment. Any feedback will be great!

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After a horror couple of weeks I'm back on this thing. I'm crossing my fingers that I'll finish!

Here is more texturing progress on my character. I have to put in more detail, shadows, etc.

Comments and suggestions would be great again!

I'm still confused as to whether or not I have to model a weapon of some sort???? Also is it due on Friday the 1st or Sunday the 3rd?

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I like where that texturing/colour scheme is going IronhideNT. Don't know about the deadline, I have the same confusion...I hope it is the 3rd - would be cruel to end just before a weekend (being a last opportunity to finish up details for most people.)

Oooo the rush of trying to get things finished! But yay I'm done! I've only used a colour map just in case we can't use specs and I've added the insignias of Curtin's concepts.

Thanks everyone for helping me out and good luck to all the challengers!

1. 1024x512 pixel default software lit orthograpics

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/IronhideNT/20057313827_smc7_pres…]

2. 1024x512 pixel untextured wireframe

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/IronhideNT/2005731397_smc7_pres_…]

3. 1024x512 uvw wire layout of character and head

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/IronhideNT/20057314058_smc7_pres…]

4. 1024x512 version of your texture flats of character/head.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/IronhideNT/20057314239_smc7_pres…]

5. 800x600 money shot which can be lit and posed

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/IronhideNT/20057314330_smc7_pres…]

You're challenger #7!

Congrats IronhideNT, great unwrap and very cool moneyshot!

yeah thats a real neat money shot, good luck!

cool stuff, great model backed up by solid texturing. i really like the profile of it, the upper torso has a very nice feel to it in particular. good luck

Schweet mate! Love the money shot.

Looks Canadian. :P

Scott.

lol rez, looking good so far wiz, does echo curtins style a bit yeah

Scannerised my concept at last, just wish I hadn't run out of paper for it and was able to draw the whole thing, never the less, here it is.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/wizenedoldman/2005415103154_Comp…]

Futurism is a hard concept to nail, I mean really, it could be anything.

Yeah, futurism ? the way things are going, we?ll probably be running around with stones and pointy sticks [:P]

Interesting concept, which looks aligned with Curtins concepts. With those extremely lanky proportions, he looks kinda alien. Good work so far.

Do you plan on showing a full-bodied concept? That would be cool. [:)]

Here's an updizzle, nothing super exciting going on.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/wizenedoldman/20054241232_fighte…]

C&C welcome.

The eyes look a bit too high.

A much more worthy update this time, still unsure of the handgun thing, tell me what you think. I'll probably put some time into it later, add some details. Tri count of 2358.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/wizenedoldman/2005426105854_figh…]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/wizenedoldman/2005426105943_figh…]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/wizenedoldman/200542992756_fight…]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/wizenedoldman/200542993148_fight…]

I'm thinking I should put a little story with this guy now so here goes:

Bred from the biomass vats owned by the Pollo Peace Solutions corporation, the genetically engineered SS-23 model soldier has been designed for battle, stripped of all unnecessary parts and programmed to eliminate.

The SS-23 comes fully loaded with an arm-mounted, close-range phase cannon which upon firing lets out a wide spread blast of super-kinetic plasma discharge which can bring down an African bull eliphant at full speed.

Installed in SS-23's spinal nerve port is the optional 'senseboost?' functionality. 4 chambers contain a seperate neurotransmitter for the sense of sight, hearing, touch and smell and can be deployed at will by the individual soldier with a mere thought. These highly developed chemicals produce a hyper-sensitivity for the said senses and can aid the soldier during battle in many ways. Of course discretion should be taken when using these as there is a limited supply in each chamber, but refills can be purchased at your local Pollo reseller, and if they're not in stock, ask them to get them in!

Fitted into each SS-23's helmets are scopic lenses that have the ability to pick up almost any specified electromagnetic wavelength. This includes audio pick up which, through sensors connected directly to the brain, enable the soldier to 'see' sound, a truly unique feature to this model, and almost unprecedented on the modern battlefield giving the SS-23 model an even greater edge against your enemy.

Standing at over 7 feet tall and coming in a range of colours such as vermillion, turquoise and fuschia, head on down to your local Pollo Peace Solutions reseller and pick up an SS-23 for yourself today, with a launch price special of $2.1 million US, how can you say no!?

disclaimer: Pollo Peace Solutions takes no responsibility for any fatalities of customers caused as a result of the removal of the SS-23's helmet, you've been warned, NEVER TOUCH THEIR HELMETS!

a story is allways welcome! :D
is he just ballancing on his toes temporarily or do you plan to have him move about like that?

Thanks Moony, what I plan to do is model him some shoes/boots and maybe keep him in that pose, so the shoes would have some thick soles at the back, but maybe not up that high. Gives him a more 'ready for action' look. I've also ditched the hand gun for the moment, unless anyone likes it, but I'm not sold on it.

unfortunatly neither am i, also if this is keyed towards becoming a UT2k4 character then im not sure if that kind of thing is possible, ask kezza.

Now that I've modelled his boots I'm disliking the look of his pants and will be undergoing modifications in that area, just not sure what to do with them... What do futurepants look like?

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/wizenedoldman/20055582929_fighte…]

C&C welcome.

nice work wizend, i really like the style and feel of the character. one thing that sticks out is the flatness of his bum and the back of the thighs. in answer to ur question, perhaps try some sort of wiring to make the pants look futuristic, you can also use the texture for this.

Been nearly a month since I updated, scrapped the drug thingy on his back, changed a few things here and there, need to finalise the model soon so I can start texturing., but anyway, what do you think?

edit: forgot to add he's ~3000 polys at the moment.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/wizenedoldman/20056264441_fighte…]

aaaah i cant beleive i never noticed it till now but your dude looks sad! Its because of those little handles (i think) above the eye holes on the helmet, especially with the circular eye holes they look like little cartoony eyebrows, slanted in a sad/worried expression. He's also lacking fine detail, i mean i know his attire is pretty minimalistic but maybe a buckle on the shoulder straps? things like that (lol yes i know, i just told you to take something away and complained there wasnt enough detail).

Thats like.... refinement though, its a great model

This'll have to be the final model, he's bang on 3500 polys, which is nice.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/wizenedoldman/200561364515_fight…]

I like the style of him Wiz. It was good to see the project progress through a refinement process too.

lookin great, still think those handle things on the helmet look like sad eyebrows but those extra details you added have paid off, looks much more complete.

great work, i don't really have much to crit as it semms pretty clean. i'm looking forward to the texturing.

Cheers guys, getting positive feedback like that motivates me to work on the texturing :) And Moony, thanks again for that detail tip, really helped me push the model that little bit further with some spit and polish.

Basic colour scheme, going for an autumnal look, don't ask me why.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/wizenedoldman/200562922212_fight…]

Feedback welcome, although with the time left I doubt I'll be able to implement any suggestions.

He looks Jaundiced! I think he might lack variation in tone as a general thing. I actually prefer the untextured models colour break up and balance.

cant say im a fan of the colour scheme :( the helmet in particular... i imagined something more metallic then yellow and it seems like everythings just getting muddy and your loosing things like the multiple straps around his waist which have just blended into one right now. The skin looks like someone has been hitting the fake tan too hard. sorry to come down on it so harsh but i think you could pull off a lot better

Ok, universal panning is a good indication I need to change something, you guys are right, I'm much happier with this one, got a naval theme going on now.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/wizenedoldman/20056302020_fighte…]

I think this'll have to stay cause I gotta try and get some texturing done and at least submit something.

apparently that fake tan look is the 'in' thing in the UK at the moment! I like this colour scheme much better Wiz

its a great improvement :) lets see that detail! :D oh and a note, watch out with getting too dark that it becomes a silouhette in parts.

Yep a little more detail would help a bit, perhaps make the gray straps a different colour because they are hard to distinguish from the torso.

okies... heres the concept art :)

Nice work. I like the design, very original. He sure looks like a heavy!

My only critique would be that maybe his head proportions are a little off? From the side view it looks like he?s missing the back part of his brain. Though maybe he?s supposed to only have half a brain!?

haha good question...

umm i was going for a slant at the back of the head... probably started the slant to fwd... ill fix it...later... maybe :P

Darkangel

Which class are you making? I think cyborg will
be the way to go.

I?m aiming for the support class - medium armour, construction/engineer class guy.

Since I?m posting, here?s a tiny update:
[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/20054632640_concept02.j…]

Just a bit of tweaking ? lost the oversized shoulder pad and the backpack, and changed a couple of minor things. I tried a few different head types, and while a typical futuristic helmet suits him (ala Halo), I feel it?s too clich?d. Plus we?ve got 1024x1024 res to play with on the head, so I really wanted something with more detail then a simple full-faced helmet.

I?m a bit concerned with this guy actually since he?s so metallic and I?m inexperienced with painting metal. But that?s why I want to try it ? to challenge myself.

Right, onto the reference sheets then (and figure out what the rest of him looks like!).

Here are the reference sheets, with some minor changes. I?ve tried to make his proportions more realistic. I?ll still need to draw up some detailed images for both his head and his robot arm, but for now this should be enough to get me started on the 3D model. I?ll no doubt change things a bit as I add detail to the model.

C&C always welcome. [:)]

Well then, time to fire up Max.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/20054885015_ref_sheets_…]

Uninspiring end of weekend update. I?ve only begun to block out the general mass. Thought I?d show where I?m up to, since I probably won?t have time to do any more until next weekend.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/200541044816_update01.j…]

hahahahaha

i'm sorry but i find that picture really funny!

[:D] Thanks, a bit of silliness never goes astray.

Of course I assume your laughing at the ridiculous body proportions, not the beautiful face texture which I slaved over for hours. j/k

Update on my slow progress. At about 1500 tris ATM.

Wireframe:
[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/20054198627_update02.jp…]

And just for fun here?s a shadowy render of the weird abdomen section:

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/20054198656_update03.jp…]

looking neat, not a massive fan of that large heel though. looks like hes got "toes" on both sides

Good point MoonUnit, I think I?ll lose the heels. Thanks for the crit. [:)]

I made the changes and it definitely looks better. My original idea with that heel was to put a piston type thing going from the large heel up to the calve, but it looked too much like Robocop. I think this is a better design.
I?ve also started adding some detail to the legs.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/200542075621_update04.j…]

yea definitely better without the big heel.

I?ve started working on the robotic arm. Still working on it, but I thought I?d update my progress. I plan on having the mechanical hand on both arms, with the right arm being mostly flesh, and the left completely robotic.

It?s over poly?d and under detailed ATM unfortunately. [:(]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/20054289256_update05.jp…]

First off I'd work on the weight of your model a bit more, his looking a little off, his legs were the first thing I thought were off. I like the weight of your character in your original concept alot more then your model.

As for going over your limit. I noticed on your arm in your last post you have a wire on his arm at the front. When you see your guy in UT you are hardly going to see something as small as that so I would cut alot out of that, then when you are texturing it make it a brighter color so it stands outs so you can see it.

You might want to move polies to areas like the head and breast plate which are large areas that should have more detail in them.

-USF

Thanks for your comments USF, very helpful. [:)]

I think where I went wrong with the weight was making him too tall and slender in the reference images. Actually I didn?t realise how odd the legs looked until I focused on that small full-body image on my last post. Zooming out from time to time is probably a good idea. So I?ll play around with the general mass a bit more.

Good point about the small detail not showing in-game. I?ll definitely work on that.

Now I?m not so sure about having fleshy bits. Maybe making him a completely robotic-like character would look better?

I?ve done a few concepts for a helmet based head, and this is my favourite so far:

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/2005517637_concept03.jp…]

Any comments and crits appreciated.

It's got a particular Star Wars aesthetic to it, it's certainly an angry looking robot. What's the blue thing on his head? Some sort of scope? If it feels good, go with it.

I believe it?s some sort of scope/camera thing on his head, but I intended for it to be part of the glowing team colours. No good?

It does look a bit too Star Wars, doesn?t it? I was actually trying for a modern fighter-pilot style of helmet evolved, but I think Star Wars style got in the way.

I think I like the basic direction of this concept, but I think I need to experiment with it a bit more. I?ll probably lose the Darth Vader style mouthpiece for one thing.

About time I updated.

I?ve been a bit uninspired with the cyborg concept, so I?ve gone for more of a straight robot kind of thing ? well, less flesh, whatever it is (I?ll know for certain when texturing).

I played around with some different concepts for the head and liked this style the most.

This is pretty much what it?s going to be, I just need to make a few adjustments to various areas, and then go tri chopping mad ? it?s about 250 poly?s over budget as is. Should be okay though, because I can see several areas over-detailed, I?m just happy I?ve got the bulk of the model done.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/200551584548_update07.j…]

I like the idea with the spine.

The legs seem a little short, they're also a little dull compared to the rest of the body.

I think you should have no problem cutting down tris.

cheers.

Grrr, still progressing slowly. I really need to spend less time playing Guild Wars and more time working. Evil mmorpg?s? [}:)]

Lechy, thanks, yeah the tri culling was easy, leaving a fair bit of room for tweaking, especially with the arm redesign. I gave up on those complex arms after wrestling with some animation tests. And I?m not sure what happened with those legs, but I?ve fixed them.

Anyway I thought I?d post the update before I begin the unwrap:

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/200552934013_update08.j…]

Edit: It's at 3496 tri's.

Sooooo?
I?ve got to get back to Guild Wars now; I?m almost level 20!! [:0]

Edit to include poly count

Hi there Palantir

And thx for the feed back, he is looking tops im looking forward
to seeing him textured, best of luck with it.

Ergh *grunt of frustration* - I think I should win the slowest worker award [:(]
I finally got it unwrapped and packed:

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/20056984718_update09.jp…]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/20056984759_wires.jpg[/…]

It took even longer then usual because I?ve never packed for two textures before, so had to figure out how to do that. I don?t know if the way I did it was the best way or not. After unwrapping the UV?s I packed them into two separate sections in the edit UV window, then converted to edit mesh and selected every poly from one of the unwrapped sections and then detached them so there are two meshes. I can then reattach them when I?ve finished mapping. But this seems like poor workflow, there must be a better way? That?s the only way I could figure out how to do it, anyway.

Well then, looks like I?ve got 2 weeks to learn how to paint metal and get this sucker textured!

I?ve tried a bunch of different colour schemes, and have decided to go with a simple blue and grey worn metal look. So far I?ve just really worked out the colour scheme and began some detail on the legs. I?m not sure what I?ll do with the eyepiece though; maybe just straight black would look better? I really need to get moving now.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/200562375158_update11.j…]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/20056237538_update10.jp…]

Hey Palantir, its looking good so far. I like the idea with with the exposed sections.

Dont forget you could play with shaders in UT2K4, for example a nice reflective shader might look good for the eyepiece. Dont know anything about ut shaders so I cant help you there buddy :)

Also dont be afraid to up the brightness in youur highlights. picking a yellow-ish white and going in with a 1 pixal brush and painting in highlights where any sharp edges catch the light can help.

Goodluck with it and I hope you get it finished :)

Thanks for the tips Makk. I did find that exploring a broader colour range gets a much better result, especially in the highlights. I don?t know anything about UT shaders either, so I?ll leave that until the end ? if I get time.

I went back and made a few changes to the mesh, I?ve unwrapped and repacked half the model again, and now I?m just started the first texturing pass again. [:P]

Probably not the best move to go back, because now I?ll really be pushing to get something complete by Sunday, but I just wasn?t happy with some of the model. I have a reasonably good idea of what I want now, so if I apply myself I?ll get there.

Here's a render of the modified head with just preliminary texture sheets set up:

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/20056291460_test_render…]

wow a interesting change, i think its got my vote over the original actually, wd

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/200563073527_update14.j…]

ah! I was going to agree with Moonunit, but with the visor it makes sense - and looks good.

like Makk said regarding metallic stuff - real bright highlights is a good start to indicating hard, smooth surfaces like metal.

Whoa it's dark, hard to see the detail with that lighting, but it's starting to look pretty neat.

Thanks guys. I?m still stuffing about with the mesh, which is probably bad considering the looming finish line, but it?s still got things I?m unhappy with (I could use another month on the mesh alone!). My last image is WIP, I didn?t want to show it in detail yet, but just to clarify the idea for the head.

Now onto some texturing ? eek!!
I guess I?ll just try to think about the highlights, about where the light source would be coming from, and remember to vary the tone more.
?Should be a fun weekend! [:D]

well, u're in.... what chance do i have now? damn!

Jeeez Picpoc, I haven't done a finished model for frickin ages. So it will probably be rusty.

how u doing with the concept? i'm waiting for u to go first... i'm doing mine and using your 2d pics as a refrence. no one does big guys as good as u do!

Ok this is the basic shape of the model at about half the polys. I'm not sure how to tackle the shoulders yet. I'll start work on the details now. As this is my first model for quite a while any technical crits will be greatly appreciated

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Lechy/200553203439_heavyassaultw…]

Here is another shot with some more detail. Still only about half the poly amount, so it will look quite a lot different when done.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Lechy/20055914110_heavyassaultwi…]

Looking good Lechy,

I like the outline, those back spikes look cool. The concepts remaind me of chaos space marines (sci-fi and yet gothic and ornate); I'm looking forward to seeing that come out in the texture.

Ok here is another update, it is currently at 2400 polys. I added some shoulderpads because I wanted him to look a bit bulkier at the top also added some bits at the back and other things. Still not to sure what to do with the extra polys.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Lechy/200551422457_2400b.jpg[/img]

gday mate, this is looking sweet! hows it going modelling again? ur concept is very cool. Looking forward to seeing the texture!

Man, thats a sweet lookin model!

Hey Lechy, you were wondering wot to do with the extra polys... I think the face could do with a lot more detail. Right now its just a sphere with no definition of facial features.
If there was a spot I had to say was lacking polys, that would be it [;)]

I don't mind this model at all.. will work great in the engine... this guy will stick out against the background really well... nice work all round.. bring on the texture....

maybe you could use you poly's on more pointy bits... or the face is a good idea too!

yeap, it looks realy good, congrats on the new job!

Thanks picpoc. Here is the final model with a dodgy physique, I'll clean it up later. It's about 3000 polys, I changed the back a bit, added polys to the head and made adjustments to the forearms. I'm currently in the process of unwrapping. I'll post some textures soon. cheers.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Lechy/20056190845_MechfinalSL.jp…]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Lechy/20056190859_MechfinalSL2.j…]

Awesome lechy, my fav so far :)
I like the design of the hands

Thanks Makk, here is an update. He's almost finished, just a few more adjustments and I'm done.

Insert Image: [img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Lechy/2005622113042_Colour1.jpg[…]

well... right now hes pretty much flat colours, i do hope you are going to add some metal detail right?

quote:He's almost finished, just a few more adjustments and I'm done.

Hmmm when I first saw that pic I thought you had just started the texturing and had laid down the base colours for you to start painting on.

Please tell me you will be adding texture, colours and contrast to it. I'd hate to see such a cool model be spoiled by some sub-par texturing.

bah! I was only kidding, you are right Anuxinamoon. I'll try and give him some sort of texture, but after an hour of working on the texture I'm ready to just toss the whole thing. arrrghhh!!!!

Dont give up lechy! :)

A few tips that I use when painting any texture. please note that this isnt they only way to go about texturing, just my basic method yadda, yadda, yadda :)

Something to keep in mind when you are texturing is a light source.
Generally, its a good idea to have it above the player. So therefore highlights would be the strongest at the top of the model and weakest at the bottom. For shadows they would be the lightest at the top and stronger below, but be midnful of areas that wont catch light very much, for example the under arm area.

Painting with a light sourde in mind and trying to pull out the forms of the model is the basic foundation to good texturing.
If your not completly comfortable picking the different colours for shading, work in greyscale. By that I mean just picking shades of grey. You can add colour easily by making an overlay layer filled with the base colour (red for example). Also I like to lay down the colours that Im using somewhere on a new layer, that way I can easily refer to them and the colours are more consistent

Once you have got the base shading down for you texture, its time to add some surface texture. Find a good photo of the material your painting (metal in this case) (and dont forget, dont use any copyrighted photos!!) and on a new layer above the bsae shading, fill in the areas that you want to be metal. Next simply change the layer mode to overlay or softlight (matter of fact try them all out and see what looks best) and WOOP! WOOP! your texture should look more realistic.

The last stage is general tweaking, making sure you highlights are bright enough, sharpining up any areas that arent well defined or blurry, etc.

hehe, thats about it lechy.
Hopefully you havent fallen asleep and this is of some help to you :)

Thanks Makk, Although I'm familiar with a lot of what you said, I haven't textured anything for over a year and a half and it's a bit of a struggle to get the look I want. But thanks for the support and I will soldier on.

BTW are we allowed to use specular maps?

[BTW are we allowed to use specular maps?]

Hi im not sure if can or not,I think you can UT 2004 can use it .

Ok, I think I've finally decided on what I'm going to do with the texture, here is the start, no spec maps yet.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Lechy/2005624103739_MechTexturin…]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Lechy/200562410383_MechTexturing…]

Thats looking sweet. you probly know this but where you have the gray where the paint is chiped add some lighter gray or all most white as well, more so on the sharper parts but with spacers, so if the light is not hiting that part of it.It will still have the same look. just to give it a bit more of a tin look.

keep it going its looking good.:)

im liking what im seeing so far. i know ur time is pretty limited at the moment, so good luck and put in the hard yards. U HAVE 2 finish this in time!!!

Looking great! whats this talk about spec maps? Are they in the comp?

pop

Here is my effort so far, I'm fast running out of time because I won't be able to work on this after thursday. I spent most of the time so far trying to figure out what to do with the orange painted metal.

thanks for that tip 3Darty, I used a lighter shade of gray on the edges and it did look kinda better.

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looking good but you might just want to tone them back just a bit as some of them just look a bit to white just try and get them to blend into the gray a bit more. the ones on his arms look spot on but there is one or two on his sholder and above and around his head are a bit strong.just tone them back a bit. it needs to work a bit like the background you have for that render from dark to light a good way to fix it is to use the blend tool where the white and the gray meet.

Aye, I'll have a play around with that. cheers

looking better all the time, heres hoping you can detail the rest of it in time!!

Lechy: This is my favourite I think so far, Im really liking how the texture is coming along, Especially down near the legs where it looks like a bit of oil has been seeping out between armour panels or just general grit has gathered in those areas over the years.

Try not to get too carried away with the black smokey parts though between armour etc and like 3dArty pointed out just take the edge off those highlights. Bring the remainder of the texture up to the same level and give the model a good looking over before delving in for another detail pass.

Overall its looking really good though - finish it [:)]

'sup, Picpoc. I'm gonna do a big dude too.

Hi guys. Here?s my big guy character concept pics. I?ve tried to come up with something more original, but it all just looked bad. So I went with this one. I hope it will look better in 3D.
Let me know what u think, all comments are welcome especially critique ones.

Cheers

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cripes! that's a nice painting! should look great modeled. the only thing i can spot is that he looks like he would fall over backwards on the character sheets, but that's a matter of how you pose the final mesh i guess.

This looks great,
I can really see this guy trudging around the battlefield providing support fire for other players.
Nice work!

thats crazy, looks really good. agree with livewire on the toppling back thing though.

thanks guys. yea he looks like he's going to tip back. gonna fix that when i skin him and pose.
cheers

Neat stuff picpoc, i suppose i should stop being lazy. Ill post my stuff this weekend. Great work with the painting too.

just an update

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it stands at 1010 tris now, i think i'm gonna use about 1000 for head and arms and an other 1000 for backpack and the cannon. if i won't go over that then 500 tris left i'm gonna use to more details.

cheers

Lookin good, it's very neat, which is more than i can say about mine. I almost forgot how to bloody make a 3d model.

its coming along well, a very close to the concept and you have managed to keep the poly count relatively low which is good. one thing that sticks out is the feet, they make him look unbalanced, i think the best way to fix it is just flatten his feet so that the front doesn't curl up, when bipeds stand up straight they put distribute the weight over the whole foot. other than that its very nice and i'm looking forward to seeing it progress.

I'd also try bringing his centre of gravity forward which is roughly in the centre of the pelvic area, this will make him look a lot more balanced.

yeah he still caries that toppling backwards look, the torso and pevlis need to come forward as wizend said.

Hi guys.
Finally I have managed to finish the model. I?ve been a little busy lately and couldn?t spend as much time on it as I wish to. Currently the model is 3499 tris. Let me know what u think, should I change anything?
Cheers

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I like it. I can't really crit the model, as I haven't really done much modelling but I'll give you some feedback on the texture.

Hi Artur, nice work, I cant see any major flaws in the model, looks pretty good to me. Good luck with the texture!

Looking good! I think the width of the hips in the model has made him look chubbier than what you had in mind when you drew up your concept.

I'm no expert on this topic but it'll also be interesting how much freedom of movement you get on such a solid looking character. During animation the space between his large feet, his low knees, and the bar across his gun could call for some unnatural movement.

I agree with ironhide on the chubby comment, other then that its top work

Hi Guys
Thanks for the comments. I have updated the model a bit. I have stretched his arms and legs, I have also pulled his knees apart and cut his waist in more, I?ve shrunk his head and gave him a neck. Do u recon that?s any better?

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Oooh!
We're DEFINATLEY going to want a texpanner material on that chain feed. [:D]

he's lookin' like a one mean mutha! I think this is an improvement over the last one, cheers.

Yeah, it?s looking great. He sure looks tough!
I?m looking forward to seeing him textured. [:)]

Hi Picpoc, the texture is looking a little blurry, especially around the arms. I'm not sure if the blue and red work too well together, maybe if the red was brighter and a different texture. I think you are suffering from the same problem as PK, where it looks like you have the same texture all over, but with different colors. Maybe try using different materials. cheers.

i haven't done the arms yet. it's just a base texture which i'm gonna over-paint, all i have done is the head an the chest, but even that isn't finished yet.

FINISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Awesome! Reminds me a lot of Warhammer 40k which is always a good thing.

Nice work. You're challenger #3!

kickass buddy :)

The design of the texture really gives the character some attitude

Congrats on getting it finished! :)

Oh awesome! The patterens on the texture are really nice :D Goodluck!

yeah thats definetly very 40k esque, well done

Really nice job PicPoc - Textures really make this guy stand out [:)]

Hi, flying monk, long time no hear. The model is looking pretty cool as usual.

Bit of an update...

I like how the torso and head are working out. Now I just need to work out what to do with the arms, legs and any other bits. Poly count is around 2300 at the moment, time to start thinking about some more details me thinks.

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Hey Lechy, man its been a while. Hurry up and post something so I know what I'm up against.(and also so I can poke fun at your lousy drawing skills :) )

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That?s looking good, I like it. :)
Have you done any concepts for it yet, or are you working out the details as you go?

What?s that circler indent on his back?

Palantir. Yeah, no concepts. I'm trying out this strip modeling thing, basicaly you just make the defining mesh loops to get the shape and fill in the rest later when you have the shape you want.

As for the circle thing on his back, I don't know but when it come to texturing I suspect its going to be glowing.

I really like the shape of him so far (looks like he has a bit of a belly going :D).

I liked your original face a little more. Difficult to really tell though, as the new one is only half done.

He has a very feminine looking rear end.

Model is looking very cool so far [:D]

Horay! another update...er yeah

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I'm at about 3400, give or take a bit.
Next I'll add some doo dads to the legs and I think the mesh will be nearly done.

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Very good!
It looks like you got rid of the circular indent on his back? I thought that thing was a good idea (and would look good glowing ? like his suits power pack or something).

Anyway, great job on the model.

Looking good so far. I want to see concepts damnit. Oh and how is the monitor switching going these days? cheers.

awesome work, the poly distribution is incredibly even and everything seems to be contributing to the sillouhette which is great to see. nothing to crit, i'm looking forward to the textures. i'm expecting a slimy frog/amphibian look (with high tech armour embedded in his body), but without a concept i can't be sure (it would look cool though). keep it up

Very nice work! thats one clean looking model.

With the left over poly's how about some boots/feet/flipper design, they sort of look a bit plain, in comparison to the rest of the model.

lookin' forward to seeing the textures.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I've finnished modeling and unwraping, so I'll post something when I make some progress on the texture.

conundrum - that slimy frog idea sounds great. Defantly better than my origonal idea of a plain boring wetsuit sort of thing.

palantir - It got optimized out, but after everything was finished I relised I had some polygons to spare so its back in now.

Now if I can just get some texturing done, I might just be able to get something finished for once.

I've started on the texturing and laying out where all the glowy bits will be

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The comp rules said that they wanted to get away from the Red vs Blue cliche. So I'm thinking of going for Green vs Yellow...

Why you might ask, well its partarly to do with the fact that my Xbox controler is sitting near my desk and the colours are : red, blue, green and yellow. And if it was used in a mod we could always claim that its some kind of Australian thing.

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Green and yellow are a good idea, because it may be difficult to distinguish between the two at distance :)

nothing against your model but why would a soilder need glowy bits, that just make's him a target.
i know they said they like glowy bits but i just se no sence in it.
though i like your model very futuristic, almost looks anphibious.

Every soldier needs glowy bits! It's the way of the future!! [:D]

I think the idea is that the teams will be identified by the colour of their glowy bits. It?s probably not realistic, but does that matter? It?s the future. In the future everything looks cool!

I like the layout of your glowy bits Flying Monk, and good idea with the yellow & green.

quote:i know they said they like glowy bits but i just se no sence in it.

I'm with you on that Shath, adding glowy bits just because they are cool is about the worst design descision you could make.

Only add them if they serve a purpose, make up the reasons if need be but saying "Because is like, rad dood." is never a good reason. :P

Like the progress so far Monk. :)

Their purpose was to define team colours and make players easily identifiable as members of either team if im not mistaken. Not so much a game world decision as much as a design one.

You better finish this time Dan, do it for me, ....please.

Oh Shane. if you say it like that, I'm just going to have to finnish it just for you.

With the whole glowing thing. Since this is suposed to be in the style of UT2K4, I'm going gor style over any kind of realism. Besides when did gameplay aspects have to make sence?

On another note...My internet is down, so my updates will be even less frequent, if such a thing is possible.

I'm alive again! So I have a place to live and an internet conection again. I'm realy trying hard to finnish this one. The texturing is getting there. There are still sections that havn't even been painted yet and I still have alot of tweaking and fixing to do.

With just over 2 weeks left I'm going to have to realy start doing some work.

Oh and coke and sugary snacks will help too. I'm going by the mis-guided belief that caffein and sugar make me work better.
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Ive liked watching ur progress with this character, this is a great design with nice distribution of polys and the texture is looking like it will be very cool.

Hell yeah, I?m liking where this is going. And great idea you?ve got there with the power on and eject symbols!

looking great but personally id like to see a bit more colour variation then just warm/cool greys, perhaps some more of that blue you have on the thighs?

Looking cool mate.. love the pose.. and the intricate detaill... can't wait to see the final model!

DONE!

Wow, I don't think I've actualy finished an online comp since the Paul Steed did the 'Bad Girl' comp all those years ago.
So here we go:

Textured:
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Wire Maps:
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And the pretty render:
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great work, i really like the model (probably my favorite), but i'm not so sure about the texture. it seems slight desaturated (not that i should be critiquing texturing), but other than that a very nice entry. good luck

Well done! You're challenger #5!

thats a him?!?!?!?!?

ARHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! [:0]

well I guess thats a good thing... one ugly girl if it was [:p]

very interesting so far, keep it up [:)]

You could add some facial hair and deform the lips around the cigar.

Is he/she going to have a big arse and a g string?

Hahaha, that's great!

I was thinking the other day that UT2004 was missing something.... and its so obvious... drag-queens!

Great concept, mate!. Can't wait to see the model completed.

now THAT is scary!

small update, ive been working on the body, crit away

mikamika

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nice progress so far, really good modelling on both the head and the body. my only crit would be that the head seems as though its in a wierd position, im not quite sure why. thats all though, im looking forward to more.

Your ideas are so original! I love the face and its definately something i could see running around in ut2k4, although i have to admit, i would be wanting to hunt this model down and kill it every time i saw it lol! Thats a good thing! [:D]

Huzahhhh. Genitalia defenition :D

The shape is looking really cool at the moment.

thanks for the comments guys, everything should be in place now. just a few extra things to slot in, with what i have left on the poly count. maybe some tools or somethnig like that.

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Excellent, really like the idea for this guy, and model is looking great. Can't wait to see him running around in UT.

CONCEPT PHASE -> Droid Style Scout Class

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Okay finaly got my concept done for the light scout style class. I wanted to go for a lankey robot design so I worked from some of my unused designs til I was happy with the rough form (one on the left) then began to work it to a final design that I was happy with (the one on the right) feels good a post up, hopefully more before the end of the week.
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NIBBLES

MODEL PHASE -> Droid Style Scout Class

beeen sooooo busy at work, so i thought it was about time to upload my progress on my model so far... as you can see started the droid character currently sitting around 3000 tris including weapons.
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Scrapped the old arms they didnt look anything like my concept! (thats what happens at about 2 in the morn when u forget your reference)
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comments and crits welcome.. will update next week with more model shots and *'hopefully* texturing as well
CHEERS
NIBBLEs

Love the concept, looks kinda Short Circuit-y on crack. The limbs are just a touch skinny for my taste, especially with the big stompy feet. I'd either tone down the feet or thicken the legs, just a little.

will thicken those legs up a bit and drop those feet down a bit (now that you mentioned it it is a bit extreme)
Thanks Bunny.

yeah... i dont think that thing could walk to be honest....

Nice modelling job. [:)]

I think the legs are cool and actually realistic as they are (they don?t need muscle after all ? and thin steel is very strong!), but the feet just need some scaling down. I quite like the concept of a robot/droid with skinny legs and largish feet to weigh it down and stop it from toppling over ? just not feet quite that large. Of course considering the size of that weapon, it does need some sort of counter balance.

Oh ? and I love the camera head ? ?big brother? is watching!

a really bizzare but cool looking idea, thatd be awesome to see animated

Nice concept ? though I must say it doesn?t particularly strike me as being futuristic.
It makes me think more of an urban warfare type character.

Still, I suppose if you incorporated a modern urban look into the futuristic genre you?d get something quite unique?

Good point re futuristic. I guess it is hard
for me to imagine people running round with
guns in the future in a robotic warhammer 40k style.

I might add some cyborg elements to the sniper.
Make him a bit more Aeon flux.

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Just working on making the sniper like
a ninja crossed with abc warrior elements.

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Speed, Stealth, Camouflage.
Character will move bent over and spider like.
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I have been spending too much time trying to survive lately. Now thats on track I am going to finish this comp. here is yet another concept which I have started to model.

He is still the sniper, I thought way too much about this concept.
Basically I decided that he is going to have the legs of a cat, which are grafted onto his torso(might use the direct x fur shader?). He also sports an oversized shoulder guard and a helmet which covers one eye. His camo will reflect a cat mixed with a final fantasy character.

maybe no tail, but a cape which has balance elements.

now to the model, for sure.

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I made the face with animation in mind. The helmet is a mix of shogun and base ball. The model will be more fanatsy then military.

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if you are going for animation (i'm not sure if the unreal engine needs facial animation capabilities) i'd suggest improving the edgeloops. right now it looks a lot like a grid which will cause a lot problems when animating, try finding some examples of top artists work and see how they construct the face. even looking at anatomical images of muscle structures in the face will give you a good idea of where to place edgeloops. its an interesting concept though and it'll be good to see how it develops

I had a look and understand now what was wrong.

I am not sure if I need to but for the sake of
the exercise I am going to remodel the head using
splines to trace over the original mesh in more
suitable curves. Hope this doesn't up the poly count?

This is the model with the bad edge loops.

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quote:Originally posted by conundrum

if you are going for animation (i'm not sure if the unreal engine needs facial animation capabilities) i'd suggest improving the edgeloops. right now it looks a lot like a grid which will cause a lot problems when animating, try finding some examples of top artists work and see how they construct the face. even looking at anatomical images of muscle structures in the face will give you a good idea of where to place edgeloops. its an interesting concept though and it'll be good to see how it develops

I have been working through a tute for face construction.

The poly count is too high, I hope to refine the mesh considerably.

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hey dude!
awesome!
i'll have a roughish csheet for this guy up either tonight or tomorrow if that helps.
post it in the concept section.
i feel i've go a bit too ancient with the ideas are you thinking more futuristic/ military?
it will be great to see what you change or add using bits of this as a base.
cool!

:)

one thing that has got me wondering from this guy and the medusa design is are they living or robotic? they have gears and other such parts. i guess i see it as a robot with it's design based around an ancient Greek theme, or something. the mod doesn?t have a story/plot yet, but whatever it is it will involve two heavily armored military teams going at it - so any character's basic design should be based around combat functionality first and foremost. i think this guy looks like a pretty mean soldier as is, but i'll probably change the feet to something more practical and less elegant. i'm thinking also that i wont give this guy many specific glowybits on his amour, but rather have glowy things in the construction underneath which illuminate though the open areas i the amour. i guess open areas sort of reduce it's combat effectiveness, but they look cool, so i'll just say it's light amour designed to protect the internals from bumps and light fire.

no rush on the model sheets though, unless there are other people looking at this one too. I?ve got some assessments for QANTM to get though before i commit myself seriously to this challenge. but QANTM finishes in four weeks, and we have 3 months for the comp so i should begin this guy in a couple of weeks when my assessments start to wrap up, if i cant find time sooner.

Hey there,

umm, i was thinking they are robotic with a bit of grey vat grown flesh for protecting the mechanics to a degree..
like the terminator but the technology is more archaic like da vinci's spring and gear based machines. so the majority of their insides are clockwork cogs and things.
made with finely crafted brass, steel and wood.....then the addition of the glowy stuff that could be modern fuel or eerie ghost energy..
:)
yeah plot wise i was thinking a future Deadelus had re-incarnated the spirits of dead gods through his technology and being a nasty future version he wants to take over the universe.
muah-ha-ha-ha-haaaar.

i dunno.. I'm really interested to see what you come up with!..I mean it'll be cool to see an idea realised in 3D and fascinating to watch it evolve into something better and more aligned with the ideas for the mod..

anyway there are super-rushed csheets in the concept section and i'll post an alternative head..it's cheesy but i thought people may not like the spartan thing or want to use it on something else..

awsome dude. cant wait to start modeling it. i now have three weeks of qantm left with my two major assessmnts due in the next couple, so it shouldnt be much longer now until i get a start on it :)

also, i like the helmet, but i also like the alternative version! choices, choices... i might have to see if i can come up with a compromise...

I love this concept from Sumeacool. Can't wait to see you have a go at it!

yesterday i was looking up stuff on ancient greek mythology for some ideas, when i started to get some ideas for a back story for him, which then went on to get bigger and bigger, such that it would be a backstory for his entire team/race.
a story for the sumea mod is probably not nessesary, the game is fairly simplistic and all we really need is a premis for the combat, setting, etc. but if i ever write it down i'll post it up here as a possible idea.

Yeah I'd agree with what Livewire said. It's hard to pin a design when there's so many other sub genres and nuances of "futuristic".

ok, finally finished qantm and had the celebration weekend, so now it's time to get on with this. however, i'm going to begin learning maya, so i'll be doing the model in that.

i've watched a bunch of video tuts, and the modeling part seems pretty straight forward, problem is they skiped over the hypershader, meanig i have no idea how to get a texture onto my reference planes to begin modeling in the first place! can anyone explain to me how to do this, or point me in the direction of some tuts so i can get started? i'm about to go looking for some now myself anyway.

so far maya looks pretty interesting, cant wait to get something going...

Check this link out Live Wire http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1908 .

thanks a bunch, i also just got a video tut on the hypershadder and materials in general, which should be good

No worries.

thats cool!! i was going to go for a medievil knight look aswell, i have another idea anywho.
i agree on your metroid prime statment it rocks!!!

GARH!!! maya is giving me the shits. this interface is going to take some time to gt use to. Just having to use Alt to move the cmaera around everything is confusing.

I have a question though: i set up image planes, but i couldnt figure out how to move them around (i didnt want them intersecting in the middle of the viewport) so i just used their attributes to make them invisible, which turned them off in the perspective viewport and not the others. however now in the orthographic views anything behind the veiw planes i can select but not see, so i was going t oahe another try at moving them but i cant select them in the orthographic views, and therefore cant turn their visibility back on.

i figure once i'm able to navigate the viewports and fix these irritating problems i should be right for modelling, especially now that i have MJ Poly Tools installed. But it's just getting to that point in the first place that's the problem!

EDIT: another question. is there anyway to make geometry transparent. in max you can simply hit ALT+X to make an object see through, making it very easy to work with image planes, i'm hoping there is a way to do the same in maya

Just make a polygonal plane instead of image planes (much easier) and attach the image to them. Simple.

As for double sided, press CTRL-a to bring up the attribute editor, search the tabs for one that say render stats and tick double sided on.

Transperancy is under the shading tab, top left on every viewport, look for X-ray and turn it on.
Alternatively just make a hot key that runs this script.

$p[0] = `getPanel -wf`;
modelEditor -e -xray (!`modelEditor -q -xray ($p[0])`) ($p[0]);

I'd advise going and getting some tutorials as these problems are pretty easy to solve if you just do a basic google search.

Wait until you get onto harder things. [:P]

thanks Dean.

and don't worry, i've been searching every time i get stuck, but i also post as there's a chance of getting both an answer and advice, such that script you just posted.

also i've watched several hourse of video tuts that came with the UT2004 dvd, which were realy handy, but skiped over things like setting up image planes or using the hyper shadder. once i get well into modelling i think i'll be right, with only the different tools and interface to get the hang of. then once i've got a basic hang of it i'll start re-arranging the shortcut keys to make it easier :)

EDIT: right, i've started my scene again, using image planes again cos texture planes run terribly slow for some reason, and dropping the render quality means i cant cant see the detail. but i've figured out move te images planes now (found it in a tutorial eariler today), so hopefully i can get started modeling now...

yes, still no pictures, but i have a reason: this is turning out to be one of the ugliest models i've done. i blame it on not knowing the tools - at the moment i'm having trouble re-ordering the flow of polys or adding detail. it seems that the methods available (at least that i've found so far) in maya take twice as long to use than Max, but maybe it's just my incopetance stemming from less than two days using the program. hopfully i once i've got the model blocked out and a bit o detail added, i'll have gotten used to the tools enough to make it look good [:)]

i guess the worst thing about doing the comp in Maya is knowing that if i was using Max the mesh would be almost done by now!

anyway, i'm sure few of you really care about my experience with Maya modelling thus far, so back to work...

Have you tried downloading the MAX7 demo? it gives you a free 30 day trial

I don't know maya at all, but i've heard the polymodelling isn't as intuative as it is in max...but that could just be extremist max fanboys talking.

It's hard enough modelling and texturing a character without having the learn the program at the same time [:0] Good luck with it!

Looking forward to seeing some pics.

yeah, got my copy of max 7 earlier this year, love some of the new tools.

i'm starting work at Krome in just over a week now, where i'll be using Maya, so i want to get into it as much as possible before i start to ease the transition.

oh, and still no pics, i decided i needed a few days off for R&R and games, seeing as i just finished qantm and am about to start full time work.

ok.

since i started work i didn't think i'd have time to finish the comp (foiled again!) but it seems i've had a reasonably amount of time to spare and i've been able to work on my entry afterall.

i started a few weeks ago when i was first learning maya, but scrapped that and began again a couple of days ago. reason being my original model was terrible, since i knew nothing about maya. now that i understand and have gotten over the interface and know a lot more of the tools i'm better.

in the end i'm still not happy with this model compared to some of my other work, namely my smaus model, but again i blame that on my proficiency in maya, and i can see in the model a timeline of improvement progressing from the earlist parts to the latest.

obviously still a bit to go, and once all the parts are done i'll be ging back over it and fine tuning it as much as time allows. though since there's less than a month to go that probably wont be a very large amount of time.

polycount is currently 2462 tris, not that that counts for much at this stage with a fair bit still to go and tweeking to be done.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/LiveWire/20056222844_SWorking.jp…]

oh, and one more thing, i'm going for a hybrid between the original concept and the reference pics, as you'll see latter. i figured i've bored you with enough typing already that i probably should explain even more.[:)]

Hey, are you kidding? **Very nice work** on the model!! You should really try to finish this one, it's definately a contender, I reckon!

really liking the neck details and upper torso, but it progressively loses continuity from there down. The knee and inner thigh area especially needs some attention -- use smoothing groups to define some hard edge surfaces like the major muscle group changes

yeah no smothing groups on it yet, all flat shadded. it's got arms now and i've had to take out some detail in some areas cos i had exactly 19 tris left with which to do the head. i want to add detail tot he torso to get the concave groves looking better, and i want to add all the little accesories aswell. i'm going to shange how the legs join the body to, i've never been happy with that since i started.

thanks for the crits though, i'll definatly have to look into the poly density/distribution. probably have to take some out of the neck to stay within the limit.

ok, still a lot to go. it's 3599tris at the moment. pleanty i can take out of the head (i worked from a smoothed cube cos a sphere didnt give me what i wanted) and a few other places. i went with the original head design simple cos i didnt have the polys to do the other one. i want to add accessories such as the shrukin (sp[:P]) and the loincloth, and a few other details.

but, that'l do for today- it's beer o'clock!

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/LiveWire/20056322156_working2.jp…]

Looking Good. looking at the head it reminds me of the gladiator.

Keep it going.[:)]

looks awesome, the head does look a bit... seperate in the sense that ofcourse it came from a seperate concept, perhaps just modding it a bit to fit in with the rest of the body a bit more.

Looking great so far, but I'm not a big fan of that big cylinder of a left arm. From a distance it just looks like a clunky old cylinder.

done and done... almost. if i change anything else it will be minor tweeking.

still not entierly happy with it. i'm sure i could have done better, but i'm ruing out of time to get it done so this will probably do. crits still welcome though cos i might adjust a few things before i finish unwrapping it.

at the moment i think th legs look too short, or too wide, or something. might be the loincloth making them look fat, but i think i'll lengthen them a bit. i'm leaving it all for now though until i get some futher oppinions.

oh, and i'm not sure if i should do the belt as a texture (see post above for a concept pic of belt). at the moment that's what i plan to do and i have placed two splanes accross the gap between the torso and the leg to paint on. that's not really who i would normally do it, but in this case that would involve quite a bit of detail and and my detail level at the moment isnt really that high cos i need all the polys for the mechanical parts, etc. any comments/ideas?

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/LiveWire/20056603649_spar1.jpg[/…]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/LiveWire/2005660374_spar2.jpg[/i…]

That looks really cool Livewire.

I think you do need to lengthen the legs. From the side he looks properly proportioned, but from the front it looks off, and I believe this is because of the long arms. Basically the leg proportions should match the arm proportions. If you think of a normally proportioned body, with the arms resting down, the hands would rest about mid-thigh, but with your guy they are down to the knees. I think if you just make the legs the same kind of length as the arms, so that the hands rest mid-thigh, it would look right. Extremely tall and lanky, but properly proportioned, and very cool. IMHO, of course.

Great job on the model.

heh, yeah shortly after posting this i looked at it again after a short break. i realised that the arms are far too long. normally i would model the arms at 45 deg. like above, but in this casei modeled them straight out like on the concept, and after rotating them down at the very end it showed how long they really were. i intend to shorten them and lengthen the legs a bit, then start unwrapping.

yeah, curtin said that he stuffed up there, the back plate should be on the side drawing too but he forgot it i was talking to him on friday or was it thursday and he did mentioned that to me ( i was going to model one of his characters guess ill do one of the others then or one of my own seeing as your doing a fine job of this one)
oh and sorry curtin for answering for you.... :)
NIBBLES

My bad.

Cheers Nibbles. Yeah I stuffed that little bit up and although I fixed it, I forgot to post the corrected image. Here it is. I'll also post a copy in the character concept thread.

By the way, that model is looking great.

c.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/curtin/20054411016_side2.jpg[/img]

Really nice, keep it up. How many polygons is that at the moment?

awesome work so far, its very close to the concept. nothing much to crit other than there's a very deep cut in the shoulder which looks a bit odd, im not sure if its intentional though. keep it up, im looking forward to more.

Off to a good start :)

wooOOoow curtins stuff looks even better in 3d, looking forward to the progression of this model

nice modelling usf.

looks like you're going for a defined human musclatorial system, but you've got some major groups way off -- hope this helps.

[img]http://server2.uploadit.org/files/jistyles-usf_paintover.jpg[/img]

Thanks for all your comments so far.

First off to Curtin, thanks for the great concept been fun so far. Down the road try and think about what engine you are designing to and if things would work when they are put into 3D. What I mean is that the arm join wouldn't work at all so I had to design that but trying to keep it as close as your concept. I won't be adding the cape because I don't see it technically possible in UT2004.

Conundrum: As you said I was following the concept and yeah, in the concept the shoulders were that kind of shape so I followed it. So it was intentional [8D]

Now Joel.. [:p] I am following a concept I'm not sure if you have seen it before you posted. I'm not totally blind I have seen a shoulder before, I do belive I have 1 or maybe 2 [:p] Either way this whole guys body is pretty random. Don't evern get me started about his face proportions [:X]

Major Pecs signing off. [8]

Well yeah,while I throw all that up I thought I'd put up an update, still working on the right arm alot but slowly getting there. No time for it apart from lunch time.

[img] http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/UniqueSnowFlake/200545232031_USF…]

Enjoy!

I got a bit turned around with your answers to the last post. If you're changing the concept because you'd just like to tweak it, or for technical reasons that of course is totally cool with me.

Just in case there is any confusion though - the left (organic)shoulder on that guy is basically a rough ball that curves outwards. The armpit faces downward rather than forward. There isn't a deep cut. Again I don't know if i'm getting everyone's questions wrong here - sorry if I am.

And because the original concept had a cape, the upper chest is armour/clothing rather than musculature - so that may throw some people off. Just something to factor in if you want to ditch the cloak.

Its your own model though, so feel to reinterpret anything I throw up :)

the model is looking pretty cool. But whether or not you were following the concept, the left shoulder is still way off and is detracting from an overall good looking model. cheers.

And the I's have it!
Made a fix for the arm which I hope will work.
Won't be a post for now, I was just wondering if Curtin could design the gun for this guy so I can get it modelled before my next post [:D]

Cheers

I will go back and do model sheets for all the weapons I've put in the concepts, but I have to finish the heavy soldier and demololitions character model sheets first as I know there are some people that are waiting for them before they can start.

sorry - I hope this doesn't put you out too much.

c.

Looking good. Though I do think you should listen to Joel about your shoulder and arm piece. He has years of industry experience under his belt and I think that his suggestions should be considered. No matter what the concept says, you should always have the basic rule of proportions and muscular flow in mind, because it WILL make your model look amature.

And you shouldn?t so easily dismiss advice from someone trying to offer expert support to the challenge ? that?ll only discourage them from helping other challengers.

A. I didn't dismiss it
B. I did listen just hasn't been posted.

As for the comments to Joel, I would think he knows me well enough that I like to have a joke so everyone else don't take it the wrong way I'm not out to dis anyone.

So everyone just relax and enjoy yourself!

Peace [}:)]

I had some time this evening so i snuck in a sheet for the rifle for you. I've posted it in the concept art thread but I'll put it here too.

c.
[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/curtin/200541293213_srifle01.jpg…]

Wow quick as, your a champ Curtin. [:D]

Should be posting soonish then, if not, then on the weekend. [8)]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/UniqueSnowFlake/2005413201431_US…]

wow that looks great.

really the only suggestion i would make is to round off the edges on the handle/grip.

very cool.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/UniqueSnowFlake/200541323274_USF…]

nice.

Originally I saw the top part of the main piece of the gun (the bit that connects to the scope mount) as curved - so that the main piece was an arch with a square bottom. And the piece that connects the main gun section with the barrel was a cylinder (like the ring just near it).

But I kinda like what you have done there already so I wouldn't bother changing it - I think it looks great just how it is.

good work.

c.

how many polys is that?

Awesome man. Great concepts by Curtin, really original designs and the models so far are perfect, should be a great entry when it's all textured.

Nice Work plenty of shape and tone in this one. And the gun looks cool too. well done

Got my character concept, but I have to install the scanner on my brother's computer as my CD Player doesn't work. I am doing a female covert class, with speed and agility as its main advantage.

Finally my brother let me install the scanner on his computer, so here it is. I had to scan it twice as the size of the paper was too large for the scanner, and the quality is not that good, though I am quite happy with it.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/429_Cody_Covert2L.jpg[/img]

The face and the left arm need some work, so I will probally change and add some things in the modeling stage.

Started modeling using GMax, ( not 3D Studio Max 2.5 as my brother deleted it, can't reinstall as my CD Player isn't working ). Anyways, here is the progress for a couple of hours work.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/429_Covert_WIPL.jpg[/img]

Reminds me of the Joan of arc tutorial!