Sumea Modeller Challenge

Nice drawing. This guy looks cool and very tought. So what is the lower half of him going to look like? For some reason to me he looks like he should be wearing some kind of head scarf or an ear ring.

nose spikes along the bridge, and lobe extenders :)

nice lines... looking forward 4 more

looking really cool, a bit of a mauri feel to it. For good visual refs search up some images of "andre the giant" a old skool wrestler who was about 7 foot 5!

I disagree with Schlumppy about the headscarf... It would make him look less tough IMO.
But maybe some piercings like J.I. Styles suggested. Would show he's been around the world and visited different cultures and has a mark on his body from their customs or something.
Overall, great concept!

-caseyjones

Love the concept it should be realy cool, on my character I am also going with a fairly geometric tattoo pattern.
The tats work realy well with your guy, I will have to be different and say that I don't realy think he NEEDS piercings I mean piercings aren't all that suited to a fighter and this guy has far more of that pure fighter Sagat feel to him.

Thanks for all the replys. Been of the air for a bit but back now with a little update. Quick sketch of the lower body of this here man. He may once of had piercings but they where torn out in some dirty fights long ago, and he's learnt his lesson. Nose spikes coould be the ticket though. I'll do up some sketches. Going for a simple 'tough as nails' look. Maybe some rope around the wrist and hands?

Added a bit of colour

I love the rope idea, adds to the sideshow feel he has going on.
Big fan of the highpants they look great, certainly has that classic look to him.
In the full body concept the left arm seems detached because of the lack of supporting structure around the bicep, other than that I am a huge fan of this design.

Got some modeling done. Pretty happy with the rump! Not done with the front or legs yet though. Cheers for the feed back Poppinfresh, funny when you work on something you've created and you can't notice the obvious probs. Fours eyes are better then two! Thanks mate

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The model is looking a little fatter than in the concept. I know its a WIP and it may not have been intentional, but I liked the proportions in the concept better (for the stomach region). Other than that, it's looking great.

-caseyjones

I've made a start on the head, working on the big broken nose and cauliflower ears. Pretty happy with the progress, which whether i like it or not, at this point may or may not look like kurt Russell.

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Looking good Oco. I like that head design, very stylised and lots of character.

Test render, working and experimenting with the texture. C&Cs welcome

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looking nice

Progressing well oco :)
Though his face doesnt quite match the menacing expression of the concept. ARE you planning on doing some facial morphs later? If not it might be good to spend some time on his expression. Mostly lowering the inner side of the brow, etc If you dont know what I mean, make an angry face in the mirror!! :)

Know exactly what your talking about, this bad boy is yet to be posed. Built with a mesh topolgy for animation so he'll be easy to alter. Just experimenting with skinning him - leading to developing the tattoos which will soon cover his body.

Woah thats really nice texturing, im in love with that big nose its adds so much uniqueness and character to the model.

my only critique is the bottom lip looks a bit to triangular, im not sure what men of that size, lips look like but thats just something i noticed.

[:(!] Another glamour shot. Heres a quicky for Makk. The more menacing side of 'Two Ton Tony' - Triangular lip rectified! cheers to both of you

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Model update, still alot of work to do but things are taking shape.

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That facial render allready has so much character, this is going to be a really good entry!

Long time between drinks! This is a quick update. The progress work on my high poly model. Muscles are a bit over worked on the back but this with be smoothed down.

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I like the style of this guy alot :) reminds me alot of zangeif + balrogg + blanka all rolled into one :P

you can never overwork the muscles! Its looking really nice maybe put a bit more definition into the chest

gorgeous! love the hat and hair

Great concept work. I especially like the lines of the weapon you've designed. Nice work, cant wait to see how it turns out.

Thanks XY01 and Phish, I am pretty bad at modelling so I just use this chance to study modelling.

cool! someone's a long way into concepting already, looks like you've locked a lot of design elements down [:D] Great job!

Fantastic black and whites. Really like the unique armour that has it's own feel. Hard to place where it might be from (that's a good thing). The clothing while revealing also looks really functional, stripped down to bare necessity which would aid stealth.

One thing tho', the challenge brief does mention no guns but there are a couple of crossbows and a cool looking spear/crossbow/gun hybrid. Are they a part of the design? They look very effective.

Is it worth clearing up whether it means 'no guns' or no projectile weapons (bow and arrows, crossbows)? IMO, once you start getting projectile weapons, you start heading into First Person Shooter territory.

Damn nice drawings, tho'.

J.I. Styles thanks man, I am the guy drawing concept for kalescentstudios, you taught me a lot of coloring before, thanks, now I try to use color to express my ideas but still in black and white stage [:(].

JonathanKerr thanks, yeap those weapons are part of the design, origionally I want to make a old school rifle gun but this challenge doesn't allow gun so I go for a crossbow with knife on it. I do wish this challenge allows some projectile weapon or at least clarify it, if it doesn't allow those weapons I have to change again.

Theres so much beautiful detail in those concepts, i love this design your going to be able to make a wicked normal map with this.

Most fighting games have projectile attacks such as fireballs but not usually projectile weapons... however you can always find examples of characters in fighting games using weapons that are not necessarily part of their design. eg - Ibuki from Streetfighter 3, she has a kunai (throwing blade) air-attack. Nightwolf in Mortal Kombat 3 had a spirit bow and arrow that sort of appeared out of nowhere, and Rolento in Streetfighter Alpha 2 has a grenade attack which if you look at the sprite, you can see the grenades hanging off his uniform (although his main form of attack is a staff).

I guess you need to ask yourself if a crossbow says 'fighting game character' or not.

Hey Herman, I wasn't sure at first if it was you or not (the name was familiar), but when I saw your linework I recognised you instantly :) great stuff man!

if its the herman i think it is, i dont like the sound of going up against him. >_<

Hey Herman, that's looking great. I'm definitely a fan of that weapon and the hat design is really cool too. Your drawing skills are tops I'm sure you will pick up modelling quickly. Interested to see what colours you choose.

Some fantastic concept art there I am sure you will do them great justice, can't go wrong with hoop ear rings.

Amazing concepts man, I really dig the style and technique. I think any of those designs would make a great character.[:)]

Neffy, I never make normal map before, I don't have confident to model that character at all but thank you for your comment

WhiteEagle, thanks, the right one is pretty much the shape I like most

poppin fresh, thanks, my poor modelling skill is probably can't allow me to follow the origional design

Delmo, thank you so much, will you join the challenge? Troy will join it, man really want to see your 3d model they are good, I like that knife dragon you made, really looking forward you join in

PeterDavis, do I know you? I am very open to any critiques all the time[:)]

JonathanKerr, I like that crossbow design it is a knife too, but at the end it will be just a decoration I feel

I did a degree with a Herman at Uni. the linework looks very similar if not the same which is why im inclined to recognise. BA Animation?

either way, the concept are really good, im just having a little trouble visualising how she will look when doing melee attacks.

Yeah absolutely, I will join in on the fun.[:)] I'll start my entry alittle later though since I will be overseas visiting family in tokyo.

you rawk man awesome concepts.

Awesome concept sketches! I really like the weapons! The gun and crossbow are sweeeet! Good luck with the modelling!

WAR-HEAD

Hey man good to see you in this challenge. I think your going to kick ass man seriously [:)]

This is the new update, pretty busy in this week, so I just concentrate on designing the weapon and try to make sense of them.

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that is the bigger arm color concept

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HazarD, well I just want to learn I am totally a beginer in 3d man, but thanks

WAR-HEAD, thanks, I do need luck on 3d part man

Ninja, thanks

Delmo, cool to hear you join in, hopefully I can learn from your modelling man, your skill is amazing man

PeterDavis, hi Peter I remember you man, how are you going recently, your cocnept is cool too

great update - keep it comming !

Awesome work man, keep it up please. Good luck with the modeling as well.

yeah good Herman, im slowly but surely breaking into this games industry =]

your concepts are solid and fleshed out. lots potential

nice concept mate,
you're pretty far off into it already,
and i say it's looking pretty sweet.
look forward to the model

silvermirage thanks, I will be in deep trouble when I model the character
PeterDavis thanks, sure I believe you will man, I have seen your cgportfolio, great potential you have
codyalday thanks, I do need luck man
JohnN soccers take over all my time, but I will try to show updates

go herman... you are the man!!

Man... the concepts are wicked! Really well designed, and looks like a lot of thought went into them. Great job!

-caseyjones

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more of todays quick noodles.

I like the over-the-top curled tip hair variant

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hi I like the top middle head on your second picture, happy to see you create female character , not many female characters there

seems like your website is down J.I Styles

haha fixed [:)]
probably do a few more thumbnails and loose designs before I start to do a tighter concept

Cool concepts dude, I like the grim reaper-ish design. Looking forward to seeing more.[:)]

More quick doodles - starting to refine where I'm heading.
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I like it lots, am a big fan of that hair style.

Would love to see you keep the vibrant colours.

! interesting skew of genre with european court influenced clothing! not unlike the representation of western characters in some Hong Kong cinema either... could make an interesting result.

Thanks guys, glad the roughs are getting some ideas across! And yeah, I want to try and keep the vibrancy - try and do a design that's quite different from my normal stuff.

Damn John, I didn't think my fashion tinkering was that obvious, you pretty much nailed it :D
I was originally playing with formal/ornate Korean/Chinese designs, but then I started to try some Baroque/Victorian and Chinese mix; a lot looked terrible, but this one I started to like the overall feel of. I think in the end it's going to end up a little gothic lolita-ish since so much of that fashion is just plain cool, but hoping to have it a little more western feel with an ornate chinese silk dress spin on it. We'll see how it goes, maybe I'm just poisoning it with too many ingrediants. Oh, and inevitably I'll include a corset cut into it somehow since no matter what I do, that always happens

oh no joel go away :) .... nah kidding buddy i know you will do a kick arse job as usual. (probably win again).

very kool keep it up.

Okay, okay! Nice start man, I'll be joining the fray when I get back from a short break.

Been getting a few hours in here and there, I've got some more concept pieces fleshed out but not really ready for presentation so I'll get those up later this week (or at least 1). I've got her background fleshed out, and I'll be going for a bit more innocent faced character (looks a bit more baby faced in the image since it's a higher angle shot)I've managed to get the main torso base out and rough out the head. I'm ignoring my nasty loops and messy geometry, and since I'm so impatient, I'd plugged the head into zbrush and started to model and texture a bit [:)] I figure I can scale back and rip it later... I wanted to have fun with her NOW! [B)]

PICCY!

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nice wip man.

we're screwed.

I love that body, it looks spot on to me [:)] Looking forward to see the face develop too. Im itching to get a start now - not being near a pc with max installed is killing me [:(]

you have a lot of time on your hands Joel hehe.... very lucky.

Nice model...

Don't have much free time at all really, just been sneaking time here and there at lunch time or of a morning or whenever [:)] (I showed the wire of the body at subdiv 1 since the loops are nasty and I thought that hid it a little [:D])

Very nice work.. :)

WOW Joel. That is an awesome start. Keep it up man. I really want to see you finish this model!

WAR-HEAD

nice start

haven't had too much time to do anything over the past week, but this will turn into my final concept - it's still quite a way from being finished yet, still need to get past this basic pass (and add the rest of her design elements), then get it detailed to nail the final design.

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I've done a quick write up of her backstory, but needs to be expanded and better explained -- the whole thing's not ready to post yet, but here's the basics:

She's the unknowing orphaned child of two lines of warlord families that have fought togethor for centuries -- in other words the offspring of a romeo and juliet type of union/situation.
She's inherited this warrior lineage, and the two short swords she carries where birth gifts from her grandfathers, one from each side of the family. These swords have been passed down for centuries, and have become sentient from being bathed in the thousands of souls that they've released from the mortal world and now literally act as her companions and consciounce - one destructive and chaotic (symbolising bad), one just and fair (symbolising good).

Sexy, Im glad your going with that hairstyle, my fav of the bunch. I'd probably go with a smaller bust though.

Sounds cool JI. I really like the swords idea - they sound like an important part of the character and her background. Are you going to do a detail of the swords or are we just gonna have to wait until they are modelled?

yeah the swords will be pretty pivotal, I'll definitely get a sword concept out in a detail sheet, but probably be a little later at this stage.

Agreed on the bust, my lighting is definitely off which isn't helping too.

i really like the hair.. !!
looking forward to seeing how this will turn out..

..cos no doubt it will turn out well!

No time recently, but I've had enough here and there to finish my final character concept up (or at least finished enough [;)]), I'll do some more thumbnails on the weapon designs and a few pattern designs I think. 2D is definitely not my forte', but I'm still quite pleased with how the design's coming along.

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Very nice painting man, well done. [;)]

she looks awsome I like those little details in costume

"2d is definately not my forte" - YEAH RIGHT! [:P] come on man its illegal for art'istes of your ilk to say things like that, it makes us plebs look like complete imbeciles.

Looks awesome!

hahaha [:D] not saying I'm not happy with how it turned out, just that in 2d I can point out all these bits which are wrong and bug me, but I just don't know why or how to fix them without fiddling around with things for hours on end... 2d still has a large area of mystery and frustration for me; keeps me in awe of painters throughout history and the concept artists of today, I have so much respect for these people, you guys and girls rock! :)

Cool John, I like the wraps [:)]

Yeah, the wraps one is tops, but I also really like the pose of the red costumed chick with the sword. Nice perspective and foreshortening on the red costumed character.

To me, this is the first entry that's really stood out and said 'fighter character'. The poses are cool and she looks like she knows how to handle herself.

go with the wraps. sticks can really hurt when you know how to use them.

Yeah the wraps girl is the go, she has this sort of hotness to her!
Really nice posing too with your concepts, wish I could do that. All my concepts are front one in an idle pose. Do you reference for poses or are you one of those people that just draw well? TIPS! WE ALL WANT TIPS!

-caseyjones

Wahoo, glad the feedback has been for the stick-fighting teen! I have been leaning towards her, but thought the other might be more on the money regarding the competition brief.

These are the latest development sketches. Think I have sorted out a face for my gal :) and have done a warrior princess version of her too, although I'm not sure if it is an improvement upon the previous costume.

link: http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/johnn/20066103528_challenge8_con…

Casey, I would like to think I have become 'one of those people' through lots of practice, and I still work hard at refining my basic drawing skills. BUT when it comes to fast visualisation and researching viusual details for more involved works, nothing beats some reference of the photographic kind - so I use photo reference too.

I should stress that I never let the reference control the work. I always have a strong plan (often already sketched out) of what I want and the reference usually only helps in some supporting way of details. It also is quite common that I can find no directily relevant pics (such as girls posing with fighting sticks)so I do alot of modify/chop and changing and inventing out of my head to get to the goal.

As an example the image below is what I had for reference of the stick fighting teen pose. As you can see not much in common if you were planning to draw directily from it. I liked the strength, power and stability of 'Karate Girl' but wanted to have a character that was more agile with some teen mischief/energy in her. So I guess the reference was partly a sample of what I didn't want and was equally helpful in aiding me with details like exactily how far apart and the angle her legs should be set at.

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...and for the faces in this post my reference included downloading details like individual asian eyes - I just didn't know exactily what features make and an asian eye asian looking! how else am I going to findout? ...stare at asian girls at my local pub?

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... excuse me, Im off to my local pub.

Very nice concepts dude. The chopsticks through the hat and the armored sandals are a nice touch. The only thing I can think of suggesting is some kind of blade on her weapon to make it seem more menacing. Maybe something like these kama sickles:

[img]http://www.okinawankarateclub.com/images/weapons/kama_demo.jpg[/img]

They look pretty badass to me, that's my two cents anyway. Good job man, keep it up.[;)]

Liking the blue version vs the red in the latest post. The blue seems so much more self sufficient, she sort pulled together her fighting gear from rag raps and common clothing and theres a greater feel of determination to be a great fighter. Red looks more like someone of a higher class learning to become one, cant really tell you why all of this is there. its a gut thing :P I can also understand eagles comments about wanting to put a blade on there but thats a bit of a catch 22 that you dont want lose the feel that she may not have proper training resources to work with but is determined anyway. Sicles and the like might actualy be good for that because it could easily be a farming impliment. Hope some of that made sense, its hard to put into words a feeling and aesthetic sometimes.

Really like the updates - I'm very much a fan of the red concept. She seems very capable and like MoonUnit says, she looks like someone of an upper class. I think it accentuates the beauty of the fighter without making her overtly sexual. I think the skirt provides more freedom of movement which I imagine would be handy in a fighter character.

I really like this concept because the detail is in the right places. The wraps/halterneck top is simple but the details are excellent on the dress trim, hat trim and the foot protector. The sketch of the footguard looks excellent as well.

One suggestion - stay away from giving her sais/jutte (jitte?) if you go with the red colour scheme as she'll lose a bit of uniqueness and start to look a bit like Elektra.

Looking forward to the model.

next update(s) - rather than rush into the model I thought I would explore and refine the concept properly (procrastiate). I committed to the design with shorts (I think the other one was equally good but didn't convey the same streetwise/girl-power attitude the initial sketch of this character had) and started to explore variation of her outfit. for a while I was looking to include a a highlight colour and street cred with a bandana, but the faux cammo patchwork pants seemed a more enticing alternative. I couldn't decided which hat was working best until I did the front/back painting and painted a few on (sorry painted over each one, so no alternatives to show).

Currently undecided about the hair - initially thought of a long plat and now thinking hair up in the hat, probably because I don't want to obscure other details on her - not a great reason really...

thinking about a tatoo on her back... but it might take away some girlishness (that I want to keep to some extent)

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i wouldnt worry about losing girlishness with a tatoo. It would depend alot on the design, i think a small tatoo would look nice something oriental :)

finally got around to doing some model sheets! now I just gotta figure out how to use Max, and all should be full steam ahead!

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That's some really nice concept art ... *quickly gets back on with his drawing*

update - I have started to model! any and all help with the low poly model would be appreciated including stuff relating to technical details.

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i dunno if it's just me or not, but her posture seems odd from the side view. bum is sticking out and she's really pushing her chest out.

Its comming along nicely, i agree with scrow tho i think the body isnt too bad maybe move her head back so the neck isnt so over streatched !

interesting idea, im allways one for gory characters :P You would assume there would be some cover over the wounds atleast to some extent though yeah.

I like the bandage idea, I was gonna use it in one of my old concepts. :) Sounds like fun for normal mapping. He looks like the kind of guy who would rivet armour straight through the burnt flesh...

Here is the model I've been working on. I made the poly budget by 2 whole tiangles :)
This guy is definately a Mortal Kombat character. I'm still debating over what weapon to give him. At the moment I've decided to give him a mace with skulls attached to it and a shield instead of the halberd. There are some things I'll go back and play around with but this is basically how the model will look.

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woah, WAY too much detail in the hands, not enough elsewhere.

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ok, well I've managed to shave 400 poly's off the hands. I would rather not cut any more out though. Normal mapping seems to be really fussy about sharp corners.

hey turkeyplague, its cool to see some modelling getting done, nice work.

i agree with PeterDavis. you should rethink the poly distrubution, why so many polies on the inside of the hand? why 3 edge loops on the inside of each joint? i think those polies could be better spent elsewhere, the shoulder armor in particular looks pretty low poly in silhouette

turkeyplague2006-09-28 01:51:13

Jesus 3:16

If that is a name suggestion, I like it.

haha, I love it!

I think he's suggesting calling your fighter Jesus 3:16.

Thanks [:)]

I thought that might be the case, and if so I agree and think that is a very cool name.

In photoshop... Image > Resize > 30%
:P
But the concept looks interesting and could prove to be a great looking model. Keep it up!

-caseyjones

i really like the tatterd scarfs gives it a nice well used feel. I just look at this picture and cant help but wonder what adventures and hardships this guys been through.

quote:Originally posted by caseyjones

In photoshop... Image > Resize > 30%
:P

-caseyjones

Done, and done. :p

Well, ive been thinking about how i would model the tattered clothing, for instance, start with cylinder (h:1 seg: 8) and move edges, or, start with a plane and model it around his neck. at the moment im thinking of the latter, because i definatley want to keep the mesh elements to a minimum, but im also thinking about the process after modelling which would make it easier to unwrap.

Anyway, just some thoughts on which method i should use. Ill throw some mesh up and about in afew days.

Uh, any like request items or suggestions are very welcome. could be cool to throw an easter egg in there or two.

I would suggest just blocking him out to get the shape and the proportions of the model. I wouldn't bother about spending days on modelling the head and the scarf and then using like 3000tris on it getting it to look mint the having 3000tris for the rest of the body.
I personally start the model using cylinders for the arms, legs and body. Depending on my budget I usually make them about 6 or 7 sided. But with 6000tris you could probably go as high as 8 or 9... but start low, you can easily add more!
Once you have the shape, then its easy to throw in cuts here and there and move around some verts to get folds and details into the model.
That's just my workflow. It doesn't mean its the best way to go about modelling but it seems to work for me :D
Good luck with it, I'm definately looking forward to seeing this one in 3D.

-caseyjones

Well see, i dont so much use the box modelling method, so i use basic objects as a base, and edge extrude from there. Ive already got basic body done (pretty much just a naked man). but i mean, ill delete bits and peices. Im tempted also to make morph targets for the face, just as, something cool to do. Id post the naked guy, but i mean, its pretty boring to look at so i thought there wasnt much point until ive got some cool details going.

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*updated* wip.

Edge extrude = PWNAGE
No real C&C at the moment except that its a great start to the model, with a great translation from 2D to 3D.

-caseyjones

Obviously i am going to have to cut some detail out of the face, but im going to leave it for the moment. Hopefully ill finish the shirt tonight/tomorrow. thanks for the comment, lol :)

Quick and nasty concept for ya - forgive the roughness, it's my first Wacom sketch.

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Ignore the colour scheme, just messing around. There's a lot of detail I haven't bothered with, I just wanted to get some progress up for your taunts and jeers. [:)]

Im a wacom newbie too, a lot of fine sumea folk have been helping me out over here: http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3820

On the actual character concept, i want to be honest and say be carefull of working with too many proven methods. Big sword, big boots and a mechanical arm might make a few people frown. I like the idea of a steam punk inventor though so id suggest to keep at the drawing board for the time being and see what you can come up with

The boots aren't supposed to be that big, my sense of proportion is just crap. [:D] Time permitting I'll do a model sheet with more accurate proportions. Having got this down on paper I'm leaning towards making him a lot finer and skinnier, contrasting with the arm a bit more. I'm still up in the air about the sword, I may give him a rapier or something lighter or even go without and focus on the arm as a weapon. You make a good point about proven methods, but don't draw too much from this sketch, it's pretty poor [;)].

I'm taking a wander through that Wacom thread, good stuff thanks.

Ghaaa! The evil MoonUnit planted his egg deep in my brain and something nasty will soon emerge... [:p]

I'm ditching the sword, colour and dignity, and hopefully giving him a little more character. Probably won't bother with another concept, more likely I will have a WIP model and character description up shortly. But then again, with my brain gestating something gruesome as we speak, who knows?

Its wonderfull to know i have this effect on people [:D] Look forward to seeing the results man

Great start Bunny, but MoonUnit and yourself have both pointed out all the things I would have suggested. I would definately agree with losing the sword. STEAM POWERED ARM PWNZ TEH SWORD!
I think you could definately push this concept to great heights, you have more than enough time to do so.
Quick suggestion. If he's an inventor, why not dress him up in some inventor style gear. Labcoat, leather apron, gloves, goggles, crazy hair? I just keep getting images of 'Doc' from Back to the Future III in the wild west with a massive steampunk arm attached.
Looking forward to see what you come up with.

-caseyjones

That's one reason I'm messing with the concept - I was having trouble reconciling the 17th century costume with the inventor concept, and the style ended up kinda fuzzy. The Wild West idea is doing things to my brain, not what I had in mind but interesting. I'll let it percolate at work tonight and see what bubbles to the surface...

nice one, I was thinking of doing a samurai but i thought someone else will do it, and i'm glad i didn't because i don't think i could do anything to match this

Bloody nice concept. Big fan of your style. Kinda reminds me a bit of Bishamon from Darkstalkers with the colour scheme and blue spirit, but without the face built into the chest armour.

Can't wait to see this model.

Yeah nice paintwork there. Looking forward to seeing more from you :)

Cheers guys,

I got nothing on some of the work up by other people :) Still learning to concept you see, done a heap more sketches, hopefully i can add some more up soon for you guys to look at by next week :>.

Id like to do the whole vega thing with the mask as a detachable item that can be smashed off his face, cus modeling/texturing faces is the best part :>

Paul

Oooh, sexay. I'd love to see a massive nasty grimace on the mask, with a big fat handlebar moustache. That would make for some awesome normal mapping. The lighting on the mask from the glowing eyes looks like it should be fun.

WOW! I really love the style of your concept! Solid start.
Just a quick question? Is he going to be Japanese? cause he kinda looks like an angry old magician - Rasputin-ish.
Awesome work. Cant wait to see more!

WAR-HEAD

yea he does look a bit western, never realy drawn anything else but i plan to make him look as asian as possible, i guess ill have to give it another shot this weekend, see what i can come up with :S

I think that looks great, when i first saw it, i thought awsome, a massive walking oriental temple! that would be freaking cool as!

another update up top, started to just add some basic details n stuff, flesh out bits of his armor etc. Its still fairly messy, ill be cleaning it up at a later stage as it looks like some nasty shit atm, but for now its back onto the face to try n get a face that fits a bit better.

yeeahhhh, that's nice and moody. Very sexy. Only thing I'd suggest on the design side is to give him a bit of character and sense of belonging by giving his armour something. An insignia or clan emblem, maybe a mark of his condition (why his eyes are glowy/smokey). Other than that I'd say he's quite rich in character, very cool [:)]

Ha yea, i was thinking about a symbol or a unique armor piece, still pondering several options i guess. I wanted him to fit the image of a dishonoured samurai, instead of ending it himself after the events that shamed him, he seeks redemption through a supernatural path, demonic possession, watever, something cool [:)] , anyway things go bad as they generally do, and in no time hes some random evil demons ass-puppet, charging around the earth kicking ass and making babies cry [:D] .

Ha, ok, anyway, visually it should translate that I guess i pictured him as some average soilder, nothing special armor wise, so ill think outside of that, his unique features should be related to the whole possession thing... gah my brain

Thats awesome quick paints man.... i gotta get my arse moving hehe...

well done.

one word... PIMP!

-caseyjones

looking sick man... this could turn out really freakin awsome...

you better finish it!!!

Cheers for the kind words guys, dunno about finishing tojo, see how it goes :>

So when do we get to see your indian?

P.S. purchase the fastest indian today on dvd!

.jebus2006-10-02 11:54:16

Where are your other shots??

.jebus2006-10-02 11:53:44

I need your money shot pic to be 1024 x 1024 pixels.

Oh crap! I knew it couldn't have been all done... i will have nightmares tonight about it.

Ok working on the resizing as we speak.

I hope that worked. My "money shot" hardly shows the normal map but its too early in the morning and I have to go to work soon. Sorry for stuffing you about souri. Bye

Ok, you're challenger #14!

Whoa, update. So I've been draging my heels on this. I havn't done a lot of 3d(and even longer for 2d) in a while so I'm slowly working away at this thing.

[img]http://users.on.net/~the_flying_monk/wip/sumea_8/steam_punk_WIP01.jpg[/…]

Going for a steam punk character emphasis on punk.

Once I get the rest of the base mesh knocked up I'll start getting into the gritty detailed bits.

Great start dude, could you give us a little run down of the character or what the clothing/armour she'll be wearing. With the steam punk theme, are you just going the style of steam punk or are you giving your character steam operated machinery as well?
All in all, its looking good!

-caseyjones

Wha! its reaaly been a month since I posted last.

[img]http://users.on.net/~the_flying_monk/wip/sumea_8/steam_punk_WIP02.jpg[/…]

I'm not realy happy with the face and steam pipe mohawk. But now I have a base to work from I'll get round to tweaking it at some point.

So, like 6 weeks to crank out a high detail pass, low poly model, normal map and texture. Time to start cracking that whip.

ok here's my first concept scribble. hes not a werewolf. he's simply hairy and has claws and is quite vicious. but the idea is that he does emulate animalistic fighting forms. so he pounces a lot, crouching, claw swinging and stuff.

i originally wanted to give him a simple brown jacket but that means i cant model his upper arms so im working on ideas to cover his upper body. updates later.PeterDavis2006-09-21 07:40:34

how about a leather biker vest - then you got a bit of leather jacket action combined with bare arms. if you have it open at the front you got some pec and ab action to work with too.

Heh, funny, thats exactly what ive drawn already and i think it looks alright. i dont like the idea of biker so its probably not going to be leather, but well see. leather has potential for awesome texturing.

heres the 3 main ideas im toying with. i think i prefer the middle one, but i like the idea of the jacket (in both the left and right variants) flailing about when he spins around.





let me know what people think.PeterDavis2006-09-21 07:40:50

The left one has a cool 'King-of-Fighters' feel to it so I like that one. For some reason, the one on the right makes him look a bit like a homeless person or a bit like the biker/gang member look you said you were trying to avoid. The middle one looks good but a bit 'spandexy'.

My pick is the white one. Nice stuff.

the other option is to combine the sleeved and the black versions, having the jacket over the black tights, but removing the black collar.
not sure about the jacket colour. i was originally aiming for brown, see what happens.

Warning Warning: the white one is VERY 'Miami Vice' :P

its not going to be white, trust me.

What is wrong with the miami vice look??? :O

I say make it red and black thriller style.

nothing is wrong with the miami vice look... aarrrghoo! why do my eyes bleed like that when I lie!

on a more constructive note I think the white jacket might be the pick of the three as far as making a distinctive character goes

i dunno, im starting to like the idea of combining my 2 favs:

[img]http://members.iinet.net.au/~panic/Sumea8/concept03d.jpg[/img]

although in the end, the black tight shirt would be mostly textures anyway so i can choose later whether i like the look of it once its modelled.

Personally im a fan of the "spandexy" version, especially in black and red. Its just cut real well, then again im a marvel fanatic. Failing that i actually woulda combined it with the sleeveless and cut the colar off one of them. The jacket just takes away from the whole primal aspect for me.

hrm. its tricky. i like the jacket but i also think the arms would look really cool normal mapped. the jacket could also.....arg

the fact that there is much indecision regarding your concept probably means that it ain't working on some basic level for ya (or us) - I recommend that you start a-fresh rather than attempting to fix fundamental short commings with cosmetic changes. I don't necessarly mean throw the baby and the bath water out though. but maybe revisiting your base sketch from a new angle will provide a more satisfactory path to follow. Doing this might also highlight aspects of your current concept that are not quite jelling at the moment - so keep the option of then returning to this one and pushing it forward open... hope that made sense

im going to take a crack at adapting the middle concept. something still makes me think thats my favourite

Yeah, I quite like the middle one too for some reason, but the jacket just reminds me of a character you'd find in a fighting game like Street Fighter or Fatal Fury or something. Keep pushing the ideas and you'll get something you'll like.

-caseyjones

ok ive started some modelling. i tried a new technique instead of subdivision, and i think it turned out well.
[img]http://members.iinet.net.au/~panic/Sumea8/fang_progress_01.jpg[/img]

[:)] Nice work peddy.[B)]

worked on hair. i think ill need to texture it sooner rather than later to make sure that it works. its meant to be rather messy
[img]http://members.iinet.net.au/~panic/Sumea8/fang_progress_02.jpg[/img]

Off to a good start. The face looks pretty well built. Something about the side view makes his eyes look a little strange. Maybe their too high up?
Anyway as for the hair its looking good but extended the very bottom part of the hair outward more, like what you've done with the planes.
Keep it up :)

Yeah, the eyes are looking a little... wrong?
I think they are spread a little too far out. You don't have a front render so its hard to tell, but from the perspective one it looks a little too wide, maybe bring them in just slightly.
Also, you cut down a fair few polys on the face. He seems to have a lot going on around his mouth, which is fair enough if you plan on having facial deformation. If not, you could cut down a lot!
Other than that, great start to the model.

-caseyjones

these are shot of how the face looks like now, also the same as in the 2nd progress shot. so there was some tweaking thats harder to see with all the hair.

ill think about the mouth, i think its just old habits really making sure that the mouth and edge loops are clean. if i were to change things there, id leave it until i model the rest of the character. i may not need to, and itll mean that the character can have facial deformations later on if i want.





PeterDavis2006-09-21 07:38:16

started playing around with the highpoly. changed the jawline and the mouth a bit, which im happy with for the most part. the eyes need a bit of tweaking though, their shape doesnt seem right yet.

[img]http://members.iinet.net.au/~panic/Sumea8/fang_progress_04.jpg[/img]

ok taking a crack at the normal map just to get grounded. the low poly was thereafter culled somewhat, but i still want to retain the silhouette at a certain level.

PeterDavis2006-09-21 07:38:29

looking great mate,

heres the direction im heading in. dont mind the cap at the top, the hair will be in layers which i havent done yet. also itll be either black or dark brown in colour, i just wanted to get the transparencies down first.



PeterDavis2006-09-21 07:38:41

Great job on the model so far dude, its coming along really well!

-caseyjones

yep, the normal map is looking pretty damn spiffy, the bridge of his nose has a bit of a sharp edge to it though.

really looking forward to seeing the finished hair :)

ok progress on the hair. im quite happy with it even though im decidedly not very good at realistic hair. it still has its issues.



also first look at face colours.



PeterDavis2006-09-21 07:38:52

up close it might look a a little jagged,
but i think the hair is pretty swell lookin from a relative distance,

hurry up pops!!

stop playing wow and post something hehehehe

well?!

Oh damn, i got u two on my case.....
Im on it, got it sorted, now i need to draw it.

POP!

peer group pressure has got the best of me.

Working an idea around. She's a dominatrix of demons and such. Not too sure about the composition of her demonic aura, so i just drew some bric a brac, I originally wanted them to wrap around her form like tattoos.
Her get-up is quite simple, i think something like this could get too busy if it wasnt..

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/popawheelie/200667121019_sumea_c…]

Pop

nice, i like the idea... concepts mad too specially the aura thing. u might wanna make her look meaner, tho im sure uve got a lot more up ur sleeve.

Lookin' good - also seems to have a little bit of influence from early comic horror like [url="http://www.friendship7.co.uk/gallery/files/4/3/Vampira.jpg"]Vampira[/url] or [url="http://www.superheroinecentral.com/guests/images/elvira%20mistress%20of…"]Elvira[/url].

Hye Paul, nice work. :) looking forward to the progress! cheers, min

quote:Originally posted by J.I. Styles

Lookin' good - also seems to have a little bit of influence from early comic horror like [url="http://www.friendship7.co.uk/gallery/files/4/3/Vampira.jpg"]Vampira[/url] or [url="http://www.superheroinecentral.com/guests/images/elvira%20mistress%20of…"]Elvira[/url].

Don't forget Boobarella.

Just started a quick guide mesh to see how dense to make the mesh for a 6k model and to check the proportions. It took about a half hour.

[image]http://dschlumpp.com/wip/DanSchlumpp_Bogan_sceen01.jpg[/image]

Schlumppy
www.dschlumpp.com

yeh, i like the concept.[^]
will be watching...

if you have any spare polys left over, maybe a broken bottle for a weapon?. hehe

A bogan in a wife beater with a flanny around his waist and ripped jeans, classic. Nice touch with the mullet too. Good to see an original idea for a fighter.

MAN! Great concept... I love it!

-caseyjones

Thanks for your commnets LOOM, XY01 and caseyjones. Loom I think I will try to save some polys for a bottle. Well have have started to work on the mesh I may be rushing it a bit but that's the way I am. I wish I could draw alwell as some of the others in this comp that I have seen. I always seem to start with the head. To me it is the most important part of a model. Picture below

[image]http://dschlumpp.com/wip/DanSchlumpp_Bogan_sceen02.jpg[/image]

schlumppy
www.dschlumpp.com

Hey Hey,

Nice work Schlumppy as always. Keep up the good work :)

I have done a bit more. Still not sure how to model his hair, and how big to make his mullet.
[image]http://dschlumpp.com/wip/DanSchlumpp_Bogan_sceen03.jpg[/image]

Schlumppy
www.dschlumpp.com

Just another quick update
[image]http://dschlumpp.com/wip/DanSchlumpp_Bogan_sceen04.jpg[/image]

Schlumppy
www.dschlumpp.com

Like the idea you have. He can throw beer cans at his opponents!! His head is way too small at the moment. His arms could be extended a bit more as well.

Good idea with this one. make sure you give him some tats to make him truly badass.

Makk: For this weeks extreme make over...one head enlargement and arm extention. Thanks for the crit. I find it makes me a while to get the proportions right.

Leahy: I was thinking of giving him and an Australian flag and/or kangaroo tats.

Schlumppy
www.dschlumpp.com

It's been a while since my last post, I've been spending most of my time playing Rise of Legends. I have done a bit more work on the head. I am trying to see if I can make it completely in 3DS max, without the aid of Zbrush. Been trying work out the best way of modelling the hair. At the moment it done by adding a noise modifer and adjusting various setting. I got a bit bored with modelling and want to do some test rigging and animations.

[image]http://www.dschlumpp.com/wip/DanSchlumpp_Bogan_sceen05.jpg[/image]

[image]http://dschlumpp.com/wip/DanSchlumpp_Bogan_sceen06.jpg[/image]

[image]http://www.dschlumpp.com/wip/Bogan%20punch%20fast.gif[/image]

Schlumppy
www.dschlumpp.com

Nice animations already :O

Cool, great stuff dan [8D] You got some fantastic models on your website.

wow, seems like everyone's been burning the midnight oil.
not to get left behind, here's my concept.

CONCEPT1
[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~silvermirage9/images/work/gameart/illus…]

CONCEPT2
[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~silvermirage9/images/work/gameart/illus…]

TAURUS, he's a gladiator inspired from that dude that russel crowe killed in the movie,
cant remember his name, but for some reason hes turning out very similar to
the mummy fighter dude from darkstalkers.

i havent decided on the weapon,
as i ran out of space on the paper i didnt bother drawing it as yet,
im thinking along the lines of an axe or a mace, or maybe even a finger shaped poking stick
lol

The second concept is a valkyrie named Edith,
once a protector of God, she was banished due to her jealousy to mankind
she is the wielder of the Longinus, the mythical spear that pierced Christ.

anyway, c&c are most welcome
feel free to suggest alternatives for the weapon too

regs

slvmrg

Great image. Really like the linework in the image and your character gives off a real sense of bulk and power. Really like the goddess image on the shield, or is it a bracer/buckler?

Maybe a half-moon axe for the weapon so something with a different weapon at each end - eg, a crook for hooking their legs and a bludgeoning weapon at the other end? For some reason, this guys weapon looks like it'd be a bludgeoning weapon. Something that'd break bones as opposed to cleaving someone in half.

Very cool design.

Nice! I can't put my finger on it but something definitely reminds me of that particular Gladiator character - if you're sticking to that influence maybe go with a chrome finish on the armour?

Something about the proportions doesn't look quite right, especially around the neck and shoulders. I think his pecs are coming together a little too high as well. I'm not sure, it could just be the helmet and the neck guard thingy are confusing me - I'm easily confused.

The finger shaped poking stick is a mighty weapon of terror to be sure.

anyone knows how to put in html code in this?
i wanted to make a double column table but doesnt seem to work

Great concept dude! Can't wait to see this one in 3D!

-caseyjones

JonathanKerr - Thanks buddy, btw thats a shield, and yeah I reckon a bludgeoning weapon is awesome with this character

Bunny - Hehe all's good. Once I start the model maybe its easier to see,
in the mean time, GO THE FINGER SHAPED POKING STICK OF DEATH!!!!!!!!

caseyjones - Thanks man, I can't wait either. ZBrush ing this character should be great.

nice concept and clearly illustrated. My initial thought that it looked Greek Mythology inspired with dose on Ancient Egyptian rather than Roman gladiator. The character you referred to in the movie is, I suspect, Greek inspired, so you must ahve captured a good about of the right features

Regarding the Egyptian aspect (beard style, angular neck guard and hair detail) I think the character would benefit from a remodel of these elements to fit more with the Greek Myth stylin' ...but just my personal opinion - other might disagree.

Bunny commented on the pec too - they are not attached correctly to the arms - would be good to see that detail corrected as his barrel chest is a focus of the design.

I really like the Egyptian flavour - IMO you should stick with it. Greek and Roman stylings have been done to death and done really well (see God of War). Besides, in those days, the Mediterranean and Greek/Roman empire had a lot to do with each other.

JohnN - yeah, the pecs does look a bit off, i didn't notice at first,
anyhow, can;t be bothered fixing it. rather im working on another completely different concept
this time its a female fighter, i'll decide which ones best before commencing modeling.

fair call by JonathanKerr - maybe it could be pushed toward Egyptian more(?). And good to hear you're producing another option too. I think some others might have committed to their first idea too quickly could find themselves with 'design delemmas' in a month or so.

nice concept man, looking forward your updates, will you draw the model sheet?

have never done a model sheet in my life,
but that's gotta change sometime no?

i'll just wait how the second concept turns out and then decide.

The anatomy makes a lot more sense in colour, with shading I can see where his head is going and all. I like it. :)

ello ello people,

Just a quick update,
been dabbling around in Zbrush today
and did a preview of the man behind the mask

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~silvermirage9/images/work/gameart/3d_zb…]

I'm still playing around with zbrush as
im still learning the program itself

the second concept is progressing fine too,
but its way too complex which is why i fear i wont be able to
fit it within the 6000 tris budget, damn...

i'll have to alter it when i have some time later,
i'll post it after i colour it.

cheerios,

p.s DO NOT MISS AUSTRALIA VS BRASIL!!! GO SOCCEROOS!

Looking pimp dude!
Plus dont get discouraged by the polycount... 6000 is quite a lot. I know I'll be struggling to decide what to spend it all on. I wouldn't mind seeing that second concept all the same.
Keep it up.

-caseyjones

looking good, maybe a bit to much forced detail in the face. but your probably going for that because he's old and mummafied

p.s GO THE SOCCEROOS AGAINST CROATIA :)

Great update! love the new concept VGW.

hmm,
which concept should i go with guys?
i like them both as much and would appreciate some input from y'all
gonna start low poly and zbrushing session soon after world cup finishes

hehehe

pity australia didnt go through sigh, woulda loved to see that

yeah it's a shame socceroos didn't get through. Gonna watch games tonight!!! And do some 3d in a meantime. Going for Portugal and then Brazil, got a little pissed off last night when Germany eliminated Argentina? I like the details on Edith but I still prefer Taurus.

i like the second one, mostly because i imagine her to be more limber, with physical actions of more energy, while i image the first concept to be the slow strong character, which isnt visually as interesting to watch.

wow, nice concept dude
thats a hip chic, reminds me of a character
from star ocean 3, good work!

Thankyou :) i did a quick google on star ocean 3 and i think i found the character your refering too, the colours are very similar and i can see the resemblance. Outfits are different though :)

Wont be able to update much till i go back to school and get some more critiqe on this outfit. Working on a weapon, im unsure of what to give her a katana, Fist weapon or some sort of nun chucks.

Any ideas or suggestions.

Not sure about the boots, did very similar pair once and nobody liked them. I guess they look better on your character though.[;)]

quote:Originally posted by Neffy

Working on a weapon, im unsure of what to give her a katana, Fist weapon or some sort of nun chucks.

Any ideas or suggestions.

I think she certainly lends herself to some cool Tonfas (like police batons) or even just beef up the spikes on her boots and have her a kicking character like the maids with blades on their boots in soul calibur.

Looks cool, looking forward to it.

Did some weapon concepts today, Nunchucks and a Katana mostly just seeing what fits her character. I was playing with ideas for Tonfas but someone else mentioned using those as weapons in there thread so i dont want to copy :P

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Nefquareiel/Nunchucks.jpg[/img][…]

yea im digging the nunchucks ! i dont think duel ones make sense tho lol

The nunchucks work well since it looks like you've got a good grip on posing with them -- as long as you can keep that dynamic feel to it, the nunchucks would rock.

I also vote 1 nunchucks, they are a bit more original plus the best ninja turtle has them.

nunchucks for sure... definately suit the design, as for dual chucks... maybe holding one pair and the other pair stashed on her somewhere waiting for that devastaing dual nunchuck ultra hyper mega attack :P
really dig the design by the way!

the 'chucks do feel a little less over-used then a katana. and as JI said, its all about that dynamic feel

She does look like a chuks kinda girl. You could work some neat holsters into or under the armour plates on her legs.

Well ive started some basic modeling, its not that fantastic yet im trying to look up referances and stuff as i go to get it right.

so yea please keep in mind this is a WIP >.< no making fun of her ok

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Nefquareiel/top.jpg[/img]

im just starting to realise how many polys 6000 is its alot bigger then i thought :P
shes 2000 polys so far ... i think

sweet as

Finished Concepting :)
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Nefquareiel/yukidark.jpg[/img]

Cool :D keep up the great work.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Nefquareiel/uber.jpg[/IMG]

ZIPPAH OF DOOM

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Nefquareiel/Yukiface.jpg[/IMG]

>.< well its the best face ive done so far even if its not all that great

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Nefquareiel/body.jpg[/IMG]

Mesh smooth FTW !

thats a nice zipper...... I notice it opens at both ends......

yep :) i have a shirt with it like that .. very funky !
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Nefquareiel/normalmapfront2.jpg[…]
yay normall map ^_^
the low poly head is like 4-500 polys i forgot
humm i dont want to spam and make another post so ill edit this one :)
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Nefquareiel/newfacelol.jpg[/IMG]
i redid the face alittle .. still not happy with it so i painted an eye
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Nefquareiel/eye.jpg[/IMG]

Congrats on getting the normal map working :)
The head is coming along well, it does suit the stylized look your going for but there are a few suggestions.
I did a quick paintjob to show your more clearly..
All I did was taking it the lower jaw more and extended the top of her cranium
[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/makk/2006628223541_headshape.jpg…]

Thanks so much for the advice ill definetly put it to good use, it looks so much better in the image you made. Been pulling my hair out for a few days trying to figure out what was making it look wrong.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Nefquareiel/5000.jpg[/IMG]

i hate high poly so i worked on my low poly and now i hate it too >.<

You know, the body and sense of weight and proportion youve got going on here is not that bad, dont be so hard on yourself. the silhoette is pretty good just watch for pure 90 extrusions as they will give you a bit of grief when you normal map your model.

The face is the area that needs the most work to me - Eyes are the windows to any person soul so giving them really good shape will make a dramatic difference to her persona - dont be afraid to find reference and use it, in fact I'd encourage you greatly to find some pics of anime styled 3d game characters and put them next to yours so you can play 'spot the difference'. Its something I do alot when modelling.

Hope that helps some - keep at it [:)]

Woah big long time since my last update. Mostly cause ive been spending my time tweaking little tiny things that dont deserve a whole new post :P
So here is my almost complete low poly mesh. i say almost complete cause i thought it was good then i seen a few things i need to tweak when i rendered it just now haha :P

6000 polys exactly.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Nefquareiel/skylightviews.jpg[/I…]
skylight makes me feel happier inside :(
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Nefquareiel/Wireviews.jpg[/IMG]
probably not the neatest mesh in the world.

also how do i get a pretty avatar for these forums .. i go to profile and it just has a none option in the avatar section ... which when i click on it does nothing :(

heavy boots? (she's leaning back a long way!)
Now I have seen it without colour, I am thinking the black body-suit is maybe an unnecessary addition to the design(?) anyways, progressing well, all up the model looks good to me. Looking forward to seeing how the texturing and hi-poly stuff progresses

Your model has come out looking really nice Neffy, but my only real crit would be that with comparing your concept to the model. The concept looked a little more slender or perhaps taller. Your character's hips and butt are no where near as wide as they are in the model. She gained weight!
Don't get me wrong, you may have decided to change the proportions in the modelling stages but it was the thing that stuck out the most with me.

As for activating avatars: http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=260
It has a whole section on it in that post.

-caseyjones

This is looking really cool. The first time I saw your concept, I thought I could see so much of the Fable main character in it, but now seeing the style you've brought to it in your modelling skill, it's definitely taken on a distinct characteristic of its own.

Good work!

Thankyou for the positive replies everyone

John: I guess big spikes on your shoes are really heavy, I might rotate her a tad bit forward to try and fix that. As for the body suit, it?s my favorite part of the design so I don?t know if I could bring my self to get rid of it.

Casey: Unfortunately I cant convey much realism in my concepts and my models always look different, I just cant draw how I want them to look. In the end it just ends up being a combination of styles depending on my mood or the stock images I view I can?t control it, it just happens and then that?s how it is. Thanks for the avatar solution I swear I looked at that post at one stage.

Savarn: I always try to add my own flavor and style to my art, so I?m glad to hear I?ve achieved that in the end. However I?m a bit baffled as to how my modern Japanese assassin chick looks like a medieval fantasy British man with a huge sword. The Fable art was drawn in an anime style so I guess it holds similarity there, its actually a compliment to hear that my scribbly attempts at anime is comparable to such fantastic professional work like Fable.

I think it was just the build of the gloves shoes, the way the pants go out at the bottom and the way the sleeves are rolled up that reminded me of some of the models (not concept art for fable), but not that much looking back at it. It was just a passing feeling I got from your first concept piece.

Sorry I thought I'd better add that it's definitely NOT in any bad way that it reminded me of it, I think you've got a truely original design, my passing glace may have just been that if you've played fable that maybe you take a little influence in your art style from such games, something that I sometimes try and produce intentionally when I've tried to come up with designs for my Graphic Design work when a client wants it to look a "certain way" while still keeping some originality.

that certainly is looking a lot sweeter than last time I saw it........ although I have to second the suggestion that she looks pretty good without the black body suit (based on the untextured gray render you've got there)

thankyou for the suggestion :)

great concept.

cheers Majeeva!

heres where my low poly mesh is at right now... gonna start on the high poly this weekend hopefully...

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Clean looking model dude! Post up some wires?
You have heaps more tris to play with, so why not use them up. Maybe some more planes around the ankles, so when you alpha map the leaves (or fur/cloth/straw), you can have a few layers of it. Maybe throw a few on the beard as well to bushy it up a little.
I think you could push this model just a little further with a bit more detailing. Maybe some more bone jewellery?

-caseyjones

wow, full colour concept already
so soon. that looks good

the lower half of the body seems a tad bit longer
than it should be it seems but other than that alls good
maybe a shield?

quote:Originally posted by silvermirage

wow, full colour concept already
so soon. that looks good

the lower half of the body seems a tad bit longer
than it should be it seems but other than that alls good
maybe a shield?

I think the upper body looks small because of the waist band, looks cool though and I think it should make a great model, if you use Rembrandt's colour pallet on the texture it could look very impressive too.

A sheild I feel would over complicate this guy since the single two handed weapon works very well for him and realy fits the fighting genre, I think it takes a special character to weild a weapon and sheild combo, see soul calibur.
But who knows that is just my initial opinion, for all I know it could have some awesome sheild in the end and still look great.

Thanks guys, yeap, lower body was a bit long, fixed that, I?m a bit busy but should post finished concept later this week. I was thinking about some sort of a shield, but as accessory on his back, big, round one but thought it will make him look like a turtle or something.
Any other ideas?
Cheers

Just updating my concept. I?ve never spend much time with my tablet, but some of the work on this forum is truly inspirational, and from now on I?m gonna spend more time sketching. I just love how dynamic these quick drawings are. Thanks!picpoc2006-09-22 23:34:13

neat work Artur, I really like your concept idea.

holy cow,
thats just mad
how long did you spend rendering this image?

oh, about 3-4 hours, I can't really draw but i can (sort of) paint, so that's why i've done this. as i said, gonna try sketching quick, line based figures from now on, it seems to be more fun.

That's a great painting, really brings the concept to life. Such an original design, the finished model should end up looking pretty ace.

I wasn't a real big fan of this concept, but now that I've seen it painted its made me have second thoughts! Great job dude!

-caseyjones

update: [img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/picpoc/200661121504_update_1.jpg…]

have started modeling, it's around 2500 polys, which i think is where i want it to be at this stage

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/picpoc/200671104844_update_2.jpg…]

Hi guys, it?s time for another update, but this time I need your feedback. I?m sort of lost on proportions. I?m aiming for slightly exaggerated real proportions, (athletic looking character) but been playing around and don?t really know what looks good and what?s not anymore, can u help? ?and it?s about 4500 tris now
Cheers

heya picpoc,
thats a cool looking low poly
i understand that you want to exaggerate the proportions a bit
but my feedback is to consider enlarging the waist line slightly
he looks too overly slim on the mid part

but anyway, looking great man, cant wait to see the high poly details

I think i'm done with this low poly model. it's 5998 polyspicpoc2006-09-22 23:32:37

Very nice work [B)][8D]

I really like your web site. Great stuff :)

thanks Killa Dee, and thanks to silvermirage, i've fixed the waist.

looks really nice, should be really interesting to see textured with the whole rembrant theme

Hi there, just an update. This one is my low poly model with its normal map applied. Still working on it, but that?s what I've got so far.

Cheers

picpoc2006-09-22 23:31:54

Hi all, this was gonna be my money shot, but it?s rendered in vray
picpoc2006-09-22 23:31:12

Submission

Congratulations, you're challenger number 2!!

You've obviously enjoy the pirate idea more, but I personally would have take the Mexican wrestler avenue. Just find them more interesting than pirates I guess.
Great start all the same!

-caseyjones

Yeah concept wise but from a model perspective I can find myself doing far more interesting things with an over the top pirate character.

You stole my pirate idea dean!

I think the wrestler idea is much more in the vein of the fighting game theme for this challenge. I haven't seen many martial arts characters so far, strange considering the theme. The pirate is a bit more 'way out' and has been done in a bit more often eg - Guilty Gear (can't think of the name), World Heroes Perfect (Captain Kidd), Soul Calibur (Cervantes) among others. Lucha Libre characters show up in Virtua Fighter 5 (unreleased) and Dead or Alive 4 but there's something quite exciting and unique about smaller, more athletic wrestlers who throw themselves around with reckless abandon. I think you could really go nuts with the wrestler.

quote:Originally posted by junkers

You stole my pirate idea dean!

Mitch you didn't invent pirates, Lucas Arts did with Monkey Island.

In regards to what seems to be my less popular choice well all I can say is while the wrestler may be a cool character at the end of the day I am making the model not the real fighting character and I think I will find more personal challenge in doing a highly detailed un-masked buff pirate, I have never done a beefy male model before so I like the idea of it and the fact that pirates have been in fighting games before is a fairly big non issue with me since mexican wrestlers have too (DOA4).
End of the day I find him a fitting over the top fighting character who I can realy make fit the fighting game part, cliche much? Sure but fighting game characters are on the whole highly cliche, thats why we all love them.

Also I have already started on the mesh :)

Woah, six figered man!

Sweet concept [:)]

quote:Originally posted by quasimofo

Woah, six figered man!

Sweet concept [:)]

AT LAST you are the only person who picked the 6 fingers, I am a big princess bride fan [:I]

ooo, I love that movie too, what a great reference.

*UPDATE*
Okay been a while but I have recently gotten a job (and been sick with an ear infection) so I have had no time to think let alone work on this but now things have settled down a bit.
I am working on 3d architectual visualisations so it is good to stop looking at buildings and get back to anatomy.

So yes I have been playing with my lowpoly mesh a bit when I have gotten chances and doing sketches in my lunch break at work.
No sketches to go up right now but I want to scan in some of my other concepts soon since I am rather ashamed of the quicky I have up now.

The character design has been updated:
I have aged him.
Given him a nice little pointy beard to draw his face out and make him look more cooky.
Finalised his hook design which is now a canon arm to fire the hook on a chain.
Removed the peg leg since it was a little overkill.
Have been working on his tattoo designs which are now based on oceanic cartography which should look realy interesting and have a very traditional feel.

I have a backstory written up and I want to include little thumbnail comic panels with it so stay tuned for that:)

So yeah too much talk here is the current low poly mesh:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/poppinfreshly/dekker_low.jpg[/IMG]

Here is my high poly that I started this afternoon:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/poppinfreshly/dekker_high.jpg[/I…]

Would love any tips on it as this is the first bulky male I have worked on.

Lookin great, Im a BIG fan, BIG BIG fan.
Good progress you have here, straight into the model and no stuffing around.

I was a big fan of the peg leg, but I can see why you thought it was overkill. It?s a very clich?d pirate feature. Still though, aren?t those clich?d features what made pirates what they are today, I know your skill level and I?m sure you could bring that peg of a leg to the table with some new ideas.
*I keep thinking of him jumping on people with that peg leg and crushing their bones with a force never before seen in a man!*

Also I?m just wondering have you thought about adding any jewellery?

Again it's looking great; I would definitely select him in a fighting game over Kilic, keep up the good work!

- Stefan

Thanks Stefan for the kind words, you really should come to Brisbane for the conference if you get a chance.
Yeah there are pros and cons to the peg leg, in the end it just didn't seem to work :(
As for jewellery I was planning for some to start with but then I moved away from that idea, will see how it goes but I am thinking to keep it more minimal functional pirate (with a giant hook) but I am again contemplating some trinkets.

Anyway update time, I have sorted it all out so my thread can be as tidy as all you other great people, you may notice I have posted a few images as a kind of backstory to my character since I got a little carried away with the concept, now thats out of the way (and I am also well again) I can get back to the model.

Well I am all inspired after catching up on all the other work you guys have posted so I am hoping to get some sit down time working on the model soon so that I can post lots of scary pirate pics.

Tonight is the IGDA catch-up in Brisbane so I hope to see a few of you there, I wont be able to attend the start but will certainly show up later in the night, see you then.

the IDGA catch up or the DLF catchup in brisbane tonight?

Well what is the DLF one is going to be a combined pub crawl with IGDA I do believe.

Nice work poppin, that dude is seriously ripped :)

Excellent backstory .. i liked the composition of each panel great work

My apologies for my late entry (guess I am too late by now) have been trying to submit but alas internet woes.

Well here he is plenty rushed but done so I can get to work on something else.

D.Dekker has cost me one graphics card so the first thing I will do now is upgrade my machine in time for next year.

Good to be a part of it and I wish I could have updated more often and gotten helpful advice but since most of mine was done in the last few days I had no time to post realy.

I am realy blown away by some of these entrys, best year ever?

Congratulations, you're challenger #12!

Been doing some late night scribbling and came up with a female fighter with a bit of a medium armour knight feel to her. She has large blades attached to her elbow plateing and a long thin cape like thing of plate mail down her back. She would be a close range melee type with mainly upper body combo's, hence the heavy armour and elbow blades. Any ideas thoughts and crits welcomed. :)

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Hey,
After giving my first concept a go I figured it was going to be kind of hard to get the detail i wanted with the poly limit so i decided to go for a different approach.

So I developed a concept for a tribal warrior with some heavy body mods like large spikes, big plugs and a few tattoos. From my knowledge a lot of the pacific tribal warriors dress was about scaring off the enemy so the aim was to make this guy look traditional and believable as well as pushing the limits of realit and making him a scary adversary.

Any suggestions are appreciated, especially to do with topology im really trying to work on my layout.

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[IMG]http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m6/xb_r_a_dx/sumeacharcolourtest.jpg…]

[IMG]http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m6/xb_r_a_dx/Modeldraft.jpg[/IMG]

LOL!
That wouldn't have been funnier if you had actually put in a humourous phrase.

-caseyjones

wasnt too keen on entering the comp, but i guess i willl now that this character has a little bit of promise, im goin for a german leather clad vixen, no concept though [xx(]
[img]http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6992/bankingrq2.jpg[/img]
seems like listenin to the smashing pumkins is really helping the inspiration factor

I?ve done a few speed paints tonight on more generic type fighters:

//Edit - Nope, don't like any of these ideas either

Yay, the uni semester is over, now I can do fun stuff for a while like make game art!

I?ve figured out my concept:
Former professional female bodybuilder turned street fighter thanks to ?roid rage. She likes flamboyant moves with lots of high kicks and power-punches, she?s a bit of a show off pulling bodybuilding flexes before and after fights, and she has no qualms using dirty tactics with her knife-throwing special moves. She tends to get angry easily.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/palantir/200662225251_concept.jp…]

Nice work dude. I like the backstory of this character and would work really well in a Street Fighter game where they have their intros and ending story sequences.
Get to modelling! :P

-caseyjones