Sumea Modeller Challenge

ooOOOooo lookin cool, bit a wolfman bit a zombie :D

I would either balance the guy out by giving the opposite arm the virus - or hunch him over on one side. At the moment only half of his body is hulking - so have him bent over to reflect the new found weight.

yeah i was thinking about losing the wolf leg completly and when i model him he will hunch to one side

a superb concept, no crits other than whats already been said, cant wait to see it modelled.

Finally added something boy?! Heh, nice concept ;)

Cool Concept Shath. I especially like his left arm and torso area.

i desided to scrap the wolf leg and starting on the mutated part mite give him a werewolf foot.

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personally i quite like the wolf foot so id put that in if you could, also he is a lot more hunched and bulky in your concept. Hes looking good tho, keep it coming :D

this is about 7600 polys, but i still might add some more

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great work, he looks 10 times better now further in development. Good polly distribution and acurate surfaces (ie the cloth folds and muscles look great) aswell.

He looks really cool. His left pec looks a little pointy near the shoulder. It looks like he has a nipple right next to the crease :)

Cool shath. Looking heaps better then last time I saw it - good to see you've added more detail to those claws. You could add some more detail to his clothes - ripples, etc. But yes, going good - keep up the good work buddeh!

Nice modeling. Only crit is i think mabye his knee should be moved higher up. Other than that looks great. Keep it up shath.

Nice work so far shath, id beef up just a tad the entire lower half of his body from his wasit down. but thats just a personal preferrence.

Well done on the mesh its nice and clean.

One comment with working with a posed mesh, you make the unwrap a world harder and takes a heap longer when working with such a posed thing, especially his right hand [;)]

its animated so i just take it back to frame 0
no problems there,
thanks for the comments

Yeah its realy not a big deal posing your mesh. I got the same comment from a guy when I showed him my mesh. I was like.. umm.. I just animated it, see back to normal and all good to unwrap, anywhoo. Cool stuff [:D] Still going to throw that third eye on the left side of his head?
(his left)

nah no time have to do the texture

Great model. Please dont think I have a foot fettish but I dig your toes.
come on shath, your almost there!! get your finger out and slap some pixels on.

Shath, one thing I'd fix up is the creatures left sided pec, it looks too squared off for my liking, just round it out a bit.

Shath : RE the animated model good job at looking ahead, youd be surprised at the number of people who dont go about things that way and only turn a simple job into a world of hurt [;)]

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One of your pictures isn't showing up, can you try uploading it again? (You're currently missing two pics, the wireframe version of the profile and quarter view shots)

Ok, seems to be fine now..
Congrats, you're challenger #17!

glad to see you got the texture done, its a great model

ok, you seem to be missing the three quarter wireframe view - if you could get that uploaded as soon as possible, that would be great, thanks...

Sweet, good to see you finished dude [:)] Good luck to you buddy.

hey shath its russbot, great work good to see you finished on time. Can you give us a call ASAP i dont got your number

the links are not showing the pictures[V]
but looking forward to seeing it considering how far you are.[:)]

It works if u copy the url and paste it into your address bar
sorry for the hassle

you should use the image system set up for the comp if you want feedback.

Nice work Pat [:D] Look forward to seeing how you texture this beast !!

To get a good wireframe just copy, select all edges, click create shape from selection, check linear, then select the spline object and check renderable. give it a matt black material or something that sticks out from your mesh colour [:D]

I can see the Resident Evil Outbreak influences in the mesh - with what seems to be some great big eyes on his body + the huge clawed hand.

i have to agree with hazard, thats looking superb, very nice overall detail, no crits.

hey pat nice model there!

altho it looks a heap like that resident evil outbreak monster from the games intro movie hehehe

but still its very cool. nice job!

Holy Shit. Very cool.

there is a post under 'Some handy tips for the comp... ' regarding rendering line

i think you are meant to post your progress.......?
yours is allready finished without seeing any development or sketches or brief??....... i think that stops everyone bringing out thier scariest and best work and saing there you go.. my submission[V][?]

plus it takes the suspense out of it....

i believe you though.... 8500 tris isnt the most common budget[;)]

it is really good though..... kinda borders sci-fi (with all those hose things)/quake....

i like the big feet... reminds me of the childrens book 'where the wild things are'

holy hell.... im worried about this, it draws similarities to my own work yet its so much better! damn ive been outdone (who woulda thunk it ;) )
seriously though thats great work, love it.

Hey pat,

Looks like a contender you have there! Awesome work so far.

quote:plus it takes the suspense out of it....Plus you can't prove that its a new model or indeed that its your own work, not that I'm suggesting it isn't. Its looking very nice, but you'd better ask Souri and/or Malus whether its ok to enter a model with out WIPs like this.

Jackablade: Sounds like a case of the green eyed monsters to me. [:P]
I know Pat personally and can vouch for the fact he wouldn't cheat. He's just a talented freak.

Also the brief never states to post WIP's, it would be nice but only so people can see how you go about there work for the purpose of gaining knowledge.

Do we really need to see prove? I for one can take people as being honest, if you're found to cheat you'll look like an absolute wank, not to mention this industry has a long and unforgiving memory when it comes to cheats/ripp offs.

Great work man, glad to see you've entered. Post some wires!!

Holly shit, now I'm going to have to try and beat that. This is going to make the challenge a lot more challenging for all.

That is a very cool design. Quite freaky with its assymetry and grotesque mutations. I'm early anticipating your textures and colour scheme.

You make an old teacher proud young padawan. [:P]

nice work pat

lol lots of arms ay

Come on Dean, you know it wasn't your uber teaching skills that got Pat where he is today. [;)] The guy lived, breathed and ate 3dsMax for 2 years [:O] and it shows.

Thanks everyone for the feedback.

Actually Hazard Deano did help my alot back in my qantm days sometimes staying back an extra hour in labs just to help me out.

Cheers man

Yeah I know Dean was a champ, helped everyone out - [:)] I was just takin the piss, especially for unlicensed useage of starwars terms [:P]

looks really good pat love the eye on the back, I also was going to have an eye but motze told me to take it off but your model dose it justus.
awsome work

I actually meant its good to see someone doing so well since the last time I saw him he was a student, wasn't by any means taking credit lol. [:P]

Pat: Did you read the PM I sent? Can't wait to see this one done.

oooh.... nice pat. good to see you join ;) heh, watch out for this boy everyone.

...Wires...

Here's the wires so far. I found a cylindar hideing under the mesh so the count is 8364. i'll probably add some more detail with the remaining poly.

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turning out nice dude....

really like the body mesh ... super tight

what approach are you going to take with the texture?

are you going to use the alpha for bump?

quote: virus infected tyrant boss

he looks more like the virus infected tyrant boss's number 1 big guy right hand man.... rather than the mastermind of any evil [;)]

actually that is my only gripe... is that he doesnt really look scary.. he looks kickass tough.... but not really that 'scary'

[:p] mind you... wouldnt want to meet up with him in a dark alley!

Thanks tojo, I like to keep my mesh as tight as possible. For the textures I decided not to use alpha. I'll first attempt both bump and specular and see how it olds up if thats a no go I'll probably use specular. Won't know for sure until I do some tests and see what best suits the character.

I'm hoping the textures will make it look abit more scary but them again I haven't touched game art in 8 months so I don't know how effective the textures are going to bring it out. I'm going to buy a tab though so hopfully that will help.

Great flow man, it should animate well.

My only critique: I think you could redistribute a few polies or use the remaining ones so that his butt is smoother and his ankles, calfs and feet are more defined, seemed to be slightly top heavy polycount wise.

Hope you made that eye a seperate element so you can animate it looking around. [:)]

With them extra polys, I would add a few to the craw, as they are so huge they look very low res compared to the rest of the model.

Malus - Thanks, yeah for sure man now that I look at it the lowerbody could use some more polys.

Doord - True. Good point. I'll see how many polys are need to smooth the lowerbody and check the count.

Cheers for the advice.
Next post should be my uv maps.

quote:Jackablade: Sounds like a case of the green eyed monsters to me.Lets not get insulting mister Malus. Its a pretty standard thing. He wouldn't be qualified for comps at quite a few of the forums that I frequent.

PUFFIN FRESH! :D

I love the story. If you are aiming to make a really obese guy, then you may want to make him flabbier. Just depends what you are after.

hehe he would be fun to animate, having control points for his rolls... you could come up with some really neat effects. but this isnt an animation comp :(

looking very nice, i was originally thinking of doing a fat/obese character myself, as it would probably be the best way to make use of the polies.as i said its looking great so far, although i think you might need to spread his legs a bit because of something about the way they are righ now looks a little off. other than that its superb

Another fat guy eh. Well as long as you don't sit him on a skinny horse he'll be different enough to mine I suppose.

Your story is really good. Kind of a modern day take on Day of the Triffids. Real potential for a game or movie there. I'm not really sure about the concept, but it could work ok with a bit more concepting I think.

Thanks guys for your feed back.

I feel the boss needs to be strong rather then flabby. My main concern at the moment is makeing him more scary. So I have added the wounds of previous battles, to try and reduce the marshmallow man factor...

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very cool dude... i like the elephant feet........ and the shadowing..... and the big'ol hole filled with mushy peas and tomato sauce in his mid drift :)

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ha ha looking great, looks cartoony and disgusting, keep it up :D

Hehe.. It?s so cute! Dunno weather I?d run for my life, or give him a great big cuddle!

urgg maybe i wont have lasagne for dinner. Its making me feel sick, Nice one

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If you can redo the money shot pic at 900x600 pixels and upload it for me asap, I'd appreciate it. If you can't, nevermind... Congrats, you're challenger #14!

its weird, hes cute yet repulsive at the same time :P

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Lol looks bloody and meaty enough [:D] is that skull attached to his fist or whats going on there ?

More gruesome than mine is... for the moment at least. Should be fun to texture.

Yeah the idea is Blood Monkey Boy is a conglomerate mutant made up of several different victims

That is so PC.

He looks like he is in a lot of pain, having no skin and all.

Mmm ZBrush-y goodness. I know where I'd be aiming if this geeza came lumbering after me.

You'll get all the smoothing groups and the like in game just as you see them Max or Maya (albeit probably mip-mapped so not quite as pretty texture wise)

heh - I dare say that will be a smidgen over the available polycount as it stands [;)]

Agree with Jackablade - some nice exposed gonad's ripe for the kickin' or shootin' hes got there [:D]

>>I know where I'd be aiming if this geeza came lumbering after me.

>>Agree with Jackablade - some nice exposed gonad's ripe for the kickin' or shootin' hes got there

Don't think I didn't realise that everyone would sooner or later get that idea. Maybe draw more female gamers to the genre [:)]

>> heh - I dare say that will be a smidgen over the available polycount as it stands

I dare say you'd be right. The idea is to work in Zbrush until I have a final concept, draw the desired mesh points/edge loops onto the model as a texture, then create front, side, and top views to use when modelling the low res mesh.

Don't know if this is the best way, but it's a lot like what Weta Digital did with LOTR only I'm making a virtual maquette instead of one made from clay.

quote:Maybe draw more female gamers to the genre :)

Um, did you mean to put a ?;)? instead of a smiley? You don?t really think that a big hairy set of monster gonads would be attractive to the ladies, do you? [:D]

Cool idea though. I?d love to see that thing animated in a game when it takes a hit to the family jewels. Potentially very funny stuff there ? yet enough to fit into every guy?s worst nightmare! Now that?s true horror!

quote:Originally posted by palantir

quote:Maybe draw more female gamers to the genre :)

Um, did you mean to put a ?;)? instead of a smiley? You don?t really think that a big hairy set of monster gonads would be attractive to the ladies, do you? [:D]

Cool idea though. I?d love to see that thing animated in a game when it takes a hit to the family jewels. Potentially very funny stuff there ? yet enough to fit into every guy?s worst nightmare! Now that?s true horror!

I probably should have used the [;)] and I don't think the hairy monster balls would attract girls but the chance to do painful stuff to them might.

hehehe - oh yeah, good point. You might be on to something...

The best and easiest way to show and improve your ideas is drawing, most commonly with a pencil on paper. The point in concepts is to go though ideas you have and see which one should work the most effectively. You can do this by thinking of something and then drawing it from your head and then change what you don?t like about it.

Pencil and paper is far too slow and unwieldy. Graphic tablet is where its at.

quote:Originally posted by goodgod

The best and easiest way to show and improve your ideas is drawing, most commonly with a pencil on paper. The point in concepts is to go though ideas you have and see which one should work the most effectively. You can do this by thinking of something and then drawing it from your head and then change what you don?t like about it.

Are you familiar with Zbrush? It took only a few hours with Zbrush and a graphics tablet to do this concept(if I knew what I was doing it would have been much quicker). Pencil would be faster still but this way I get not just an idea of what it may look like from one angle, but an actual 3D model where I can look at the concept from any point of view. Changes are easily made and if you don't like anything you have done you can just undo it and try something different.

i love my pencils

......... i even have a special box where i keep them

my cheap-ass graphics tab gets pulled out when ever i need to do painting in ps

draw and draw and draw and draw dont worry so much about art... just draw

draw strong lines lines. with form. lots of them!

easy transition >>> drawing - mesh creating.....

you are allready showing signs that you have a talent for form....

Hey thats a really cool way of working, don't know if you planning on this, but you could burn to texture the lighting of all the detail of this model down onto your low poly one and have lots of your shading on your texture done. Infact i might try that for my character. Like a normal map but jump burn it into the texture since you can get all that detail in zbrush reasonably quickly.

yeah I am with tojo, to much tech makes me giddy.

Change of plans. I don't think it really fits the brief that well as it stands. After watching Resident Evil last night and thinking back over other movies I have seen in the past, it struck me that there are a few things that absolutely must be incorporated into any concept that I come up with:

* It's origin must be from some kind of unseen/unknown force that is able to take over from within. This maximises the paranoia because not only must you face all the evil monsters trying to kill you, but the people helping you could also become one of them at any time. So even when you are in a group of survivors you feel you are on your own. Plus the further you get into it, the harder it gets. Kind of like build-up tiggy.

* Upon first sight of the creature you should immediately feel two things:
1) You should be scared witless.
2) It is clear that this being should not exist. It is a perversion. An abomination.

* The expression of the creature should say:
1) I am really pissed off and I'm going to take it out on you.
2) Seriously, what the hell were they thinking when they made me? I am an abomination. I don't like it one bit. And I'm going to take it out on you.

So I'm going to watch some more movies and then come up with a new concept. I think I'll just draw away this time, then take the best concept and try and develop it further in Zbrush.

Well, it's been a while but I am finally going to put something else up here. This is what I ended up going with for my concept:

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My idea came from pretty much every scary monster type movie that I can remember including Alien, Predator, Pumpkin Head, Dog Soldiers, Resident Evil, etc. The idea is basically an alien life form that acts much in the same way as a virus(or a virus that can think). It starts out very small with maybe just a few cells and when it comes into contact with other living tissue it starts to go to work. It will grow undetected within the host until such time as it is ready to take control. Then it will force it's way out of the body and subdue it's host so it can then get into the control centre of the body and take over. The possiblilities are endless for how the aliens can transform the host. The aliens each have different personalities and will come up with different ways of utilising the biology of the host to produce an effective killing machine. Not all of their ideas will work particularly well, but they can keep modifying the host until they get something that works. The tranformations require energy so they have to eat a lot(people, dogs, oatmeal, whatever) in order to change. Plus, anything new that it eats will provide it with ideas of how it can change itself.

In addition to the concept above, I will make it so you can see his entrails hanging out and they have been modified into tentacle like appendages, one of which has been used to bore into the side of the guys head in order to reach the brain. His eyes will have been ripped out because they interfered with the way the alien controls the brain. Depending on polycount, I'll put him in a hospital robe and maybe give him a little hair.

I have serious doubts that I will have it all done in time. I'll get the modelling done but texturing will probably not be finished.

I'm wondering about a possoble shortcut with the UV mapping. Would it be possible to use the automatic UV tiles created in Zbrush? The texture should look fine applied to the model, but the UV's and textured flats will not be very readable. I have looked at the judging criteria and it doesn't say anything about the UV layout being a factor. Maybe it is included in the other criteria (How effective it is as a game model?).

awesome anatomy, New to 3d my arse :)

that looks sweet dude. Like it was said,you definately have a good feel for form/anatomy, which is what i love about zbrush :)

The concept looks pretty cool to me.

With the auto UV's. I'm not sure how much they are a factor witht he judging. But what I see might be a problem is that you obviously would be painting it in zbrush? I'm not sure how much control you would have compared to somthing like photoshop in terms of texturing. But then again, I havn't done much texturing in zbrush :).

Looking forward to what you do with the lopoly.

Rannyroy - Truly, I am really learning most of this as I go. Aside from some quick half completed tutorials, what you see here is my entire experience with Zbrush. If you can draw, you can get good results in Zbrush without much practice. I guess having a graphics tablet helps there too(even my cheap crappy one). I do have a bit more experience with modelling though the way I'm doing it in this case is pretty much the equivalent of tracing a drawing. Believe me, my inexperience will show through in the topology of the model and especially when it comes time to do the texturing.

Denz - I have seen a lot of work done completely in Zbrush with excellent texture work, so it can be done. Whether or not I can figure out how to do something decent within the time available is the big question.

Here is where I was up to as of last night.
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Time is against me but I will submit something whether it is finished or not.

Zbrushes auto mapping is not an optimised way of UVW mapping so therefore its not engine friendly for games.

When an edge is split in the unwrap it creates more vertices, the more cuts, the more verts and that takes memory, thats one of the reasons people try to have as little a number of seams as possible. [:)]

Too answer your questions:

You could use automatic unwrapping but if I was judging I would mark you down, luckily I'm not judging. [:P]

Also it does ask for UVW flats, that implies the judges will be looking at them.

The judging should be based on whether or not the modelling/uvmapping/texturing etc is of a standard that would work in a game, not just the cool factor.

Yeah I figured there would be a penalty for doing it that way but there is not enough time for me to do it properly. My main concern is to show what the end product should look like. I will try to organise the UVs so that the textured flats will be readable if I can.

Only kidding scott, its just that its it took me along time to get results and you make it look easy.
I bet your only 14 aswell :)
Put it this way, after 2 years of thinking I should buy Z brush, my credit cards finally left my pocket.
squeak, squeak.

No submission from me... as if anyone will be surprised[:p]. I wasn't really on track to get a proper entry in anyway but I also had my place broken into on friday so I lost time with police reports and trying to account for all the stuff that was taken.

This was really a learning experience for me all along so I am not too worried that I have not finished. For anyvbody who may be ineterested, this is kind of what the finished model would have been like:

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I learned plenty on this one and I will be back for future comps.

I've had a quick look at what has been submitted so far and my money would be on Goodgod at the moment but I'm sure there will be plenty more entries between now and 12 o'clock. Good luck to all.

Nice! I like that! but the legs look a bit thin compared to her/his/its bulky weight.

I love the eyeball on the end of the tail - thats cool [:)]

maybe if you widen the feet where they contact the ground you can still keep the legs as they are and still make it look like the character can stand up comfortably.

Now that I'm scared to kick [:D]
Nice work and nice work on how fast your pumping those concepts out
As long as no one is going to bitch (If they do I'll kick them) about the concept I think its time to start the modelling, once again realy like this one.

hehe sweet, so just re-proportion the legs and i can start! thanks guys - i just hope i can do it with 8500 tris

well well what have we got here then eh... seen somthing like this already ..he he
cool design..I think maybe u should make the wings come frome higher or lower as it looks a bit funny with them at the same level as the arms

A fellow Polycounter, eh.

Nice concept you've got going there... Wait... is she wearing panties under her skin? Now theres an original fashion statement. I dunno about that Counter Strike gun. Might be nicer if you build her something a bit more demonic.

Good luck with it mate.

very nice looking concept, some of the best lineart ive seen recently. you've got some novel ideas such as the skin only just clinging on between the legs and body and the way the wings blend well with her arms, nice proportions and particularly the very feminine legs/hooves. the problem that strikes me, is that it also seems a bit of a mishmash of ideas, such as the gun and sword, i would personally prefer oversized claws to keep in with the beast theme and also, for a horror its possibly not gritty enough. hopefully havn't been too critical because i really do like your concept i just think it could be even better.

(heh that gun is so the assualt rifle) nifty lookin, the gun might be a bit out of place though and if you just leave the sword itll end up looking too fantasy adventure (not horror) so where you take that is up to you i spose.

adie - what do you mean, has someone else posted a similar idea? I haven't looked through all the other submissions yet, but if mine is very similar to someone elses I'll change it.
Thanks for the comments everyone - the gun by the way is a P-90 by FN, a very common SMG. I wanted to give her a modern day feel, so she's not just a fantasy demon - I might ditch the sword and give her two guns actually.

looks good. the exposed muscled will be good fun to texture and if done well will look amazing, but in my opinion, the p90 is rather tacky.

had a thought, she might look a bit more horror if her face wasnt like a normal humans, dosent mean give her a beak or anything but you could do things like missing teeth sunken eyes etc

Am I the only one who thinks this looks more fantasy then survival/horror?

Makk: nope.

No offence but I'd lose the weapons and the panties myself.

I have to go with Malus and Makk. The waepons look slightly corny. She looks like a creature that has come from the pits of hell. If that is so, then what use would she have with a standard sword and a P90? She would have some nice disfigured hands for clawing. The ablility to throw the fires of hell at her opponent(s) or at least summon lesser minons to do her dirty work :)

Other than that, she is quite a cool character.

quote:Am I the only one who thinks this looks more fantasy then survival/horror?Whats the difference? As long as its scary it should sit well enough in some form of survival horror.

Like everyone else said, you should lose the weapons. [:)] However I think the panties look cool.
Malus, you want her to lose her panties? [:P] Sick man - she's got no skin under there!

It?s an all right concept but the arms in that picture are too small. You should get some proportion references and try to learn from them.

goodgod - excellent point about the arms! I'll be sure to watch out for that when I model her. I like the gun since it brings her into a modern setting, more survival-horror than fantasy, but since everyone seems to think they're cheezy I may have to come up with something else. I'll update the first post soon with color schemes.

gun sword thing aside, thats a great model, good work

Animation rig done...
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Final submission:

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I divided the texture space into 5 seperate images.
Body - 512x512, wings - 512x256, gun - 256x128, hair - 256x128 and sword - 512x128.
The body and gun texture use their alpha channel as a specular mask, all the other textures use the alpha channel for transparency. Reference photos from the FNH website (www.fnhusa.com/contents/tw_p90.htm) were used to model and texture the P-90 sub-machine gun, all other textures were hand painted.

Cool. Some very nice style choices. I LOVE that head; the hair and the expression are just excellent.

cheers

Nice work. You're challenger #6.

the head is awesome, great expression and texture

Thanks for the comments. Good luck to all the other entrants!

I think a bit more clarity in the image would help but from what I can make out it looks good. Good to see another Maya entrant banging around (is that right?).

having trouble making sense of the face but its looking pretty cool :D like the proportion and posture

cheers.. yeah more work required.. I'll beef it up when I get a chance...
yeah it's face will be like a orca.. killa whale style
I fancy it to a giant tick dog with sharp teath

I'm undecided if I'll do it max or maya at this stage.. either all.. its all the same
maybe max... since the prize is max.. :)

Plenty of potential here. I like the semi-abstract look of your monster. Reminds me of Silent Hill a bit with its weird non-descript beasties. This has a really nice form about it too. If you can carry it over into the model it'll look great.

I like it alot, as has been mentioned it has heaps of potential. If i had to nitpick, i'd say that the creature might have some trouble running around because its rear legs might be a bit too long. it seems roughly like a hyena, so maybe shorten them a bit? so it could lope around? but aside from that, excellent design. keep it up

It?s not really believable enough to be scary. It looks too much like an abstract painting, like a Picasso or something.

Something thats really bizarre can be quite frightening in the right environment. Check out some of the monsters in Silent Hill. I'd say if you gave this thing a decent texture and some good sound effects and he'll be well and truly scary enough.

Holla!
yeah it might not seem scary to some people, but what scares people is a matter of opinion. Keeping in mind thou, I'm designing this to be a in game model, adhering to those principles. There might be alot of poly flying around in this comp, but not a lot of texture, so that might be where the whole thing is won.

anyhow... this is my last concept I'll post before I start the modelling process
[img]http://student.ci.qut.edu.au/~n4675215/misc/HellHoundAction.jpg[/img]

I'm considering doing somekind of normal mapping in this case, and as such am lookin at modelling the whole thing as a nurbs surface and creating the required high and low poly models out of the surface.
We'll see since I'm still playing around with the idea!

anyhow cheers for the comments!

Very interesting idea for the head. I can't wait to see how it will look once it has all the dreads added to it :)

Hi ya.. started work on the model.. this is the current stage.. I'm taking a 'patch' approach to it all

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decided against using nurbs.. not enough time to get the whole thing to work..

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catchya

lookin good so far, cant wait to see all of that wirey hair in there

it looks kinda not unlike an insect, which is pretty cool

This is the face closeup... I'm really happy with how it turned out... theres not alot of poly there (except maybe the teeth)

[img]http://student.ci.qut.edu.au/~n4675215/misc/HellHoundFace.jpg[/img]

catchya! [8)]

I really like the overall shape and volume to the head. Great job :)

His head looks fantastic - Big and bullish, it could almost pass for some steel creation - it really does look that solid [:)]

and im assuming the jaw pivot is at the back of the head, in which case the head can open up very wide, which will look awesome.

thats looking great, heaps of character in there

Hi ya... time for an update... this is the latest stage of the 'HellHound'.
[img]http://student.ci.qut.edu.au/~n4675215/misc/newHound01.jpg[/img]
Currently the polycount is ~7500 triangles... I've leavin about 1000 poly's to dedicate to the hair/spines/dreads of the beast..
[img]http://student.ci.qut.edu.au/~n4675215/misc/newHound02.jpg[/img]
Most of it's finished.. hopefully I'll start the unwrapping process in the next couple of days [:D]

nice stylized design -- it's good to see you taking the underlying myological form into consideration; makes for a much more believable creature.

Hi ya!! I finished the model! yay!.. I've made it exactly 8500 poly's and now I've started the mapping process.. I'll post the uv's once I've finalised it..

Here are some large images of the beasty!

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Cheers everybody... and it's good to see alot of good work being done by everybody who has entered the comp!!

Hey JI, sorry to sound like a dumbass, but what's 'myological'?

Hell yeah, that guy?s really cool!
That spiky hair stuff certainly came up looking good.

Great job Me109. [:)]

wow hes really great, great work. The face was confusing before with the whale idea but it came out really well.

thats coming along really well, no crits unfortunately. it was a very acurate realisation of your concept. if your texturing is up to the standard of your modelling it should be a promising entry. keep it up

Hi Hi!
some wips updates!!

I've also rigged him, so i can open his mouth and show off his teath to grandma!

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I've only really just started texturing.. i've layed down some primary colors etc.. I'm not 100% happy with the unwrap, but it'll do.. so now I can texture.. which I'm not that good at, soooo here goes!!
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[img]http://student.ci.qut.edu.au/~n4675215/misc/HH_UV01.jpg[/img]

Cheers for the comments guys!! you know you all rock

heh heh hes in the blotchy paint stages so not much to say besides the area around the eyes, which looks cool :D Btw he looked cool like monochromatic in your concepts, just a thought

Texture wips!!
[img]http://student.ci.qut.edu.au/~n4675215/misc/hellhound01_2-9.jpg[/img]
[img]http://student.ci.qut.edu.au/~n4675215/misc/hellhound01_3-9.jpg[/img]
Cheers[;)]

Damn! that model looks really well built, top stuff :)

The texture is coming along well. I think you have painted it quite nice, but I think you are using too much black which is making it a bit messy. At the moment it looks like black is your only shadow colour in there. Try picking some darker more saturated versions of your base/middle colour and throw them in there. Making sure to put them in where you think they should go, ie- the darkest value/colour in the part where you think its the deepest crease/area in the skin. And so on and so forth.
I do the same for the highlights except I choose less saturated colours. I leave the highlights till last, as I paint out the form using the shadow colours first.

Finally, and this is really only just a personal preference, but I like to keep my texture sheets clean and organised. I use the selection tool to go around the different area of the maps and fill them in. I also like to organise them onto different layers for different sections of the model. For example the head would have its own layer where I paint in the shade/form/base, then I would create a new layer ontop of that one where I put smaller detials, like the viens, spots etc. I just find it easier that way as its easier for me too see and I know where everything is, plus it make it eaiser to go back and fix things as well.

Wow, I rambled on alot and as you can probably tell this is just the way I work, so it isnt the necasserly the best way to work. So take it for what is worth......which is about 2cents!! :)

Keep it up, as I said earlier the model is really well done. One of my favs

Thx Makk.. yeah i've gone really dark with alot of the coloring, in an attempt to make that really stand out..
I've using 4 primary layers.. Background, Intermediate, Details, Highlights.. I do like your idea of seperating the layers into selection groups..

I'll progess the fall off of light into dark, as you said, using my primary colors, and try not to rely to much on black (is my favorite color [8]) I don't use photoshop ahell of alot so I'm hoping this exercise will make me better... anyhow.. I too will stop this rant now..
cheeeers[8D]

Hey. I'm new to the comp. Been looking around and this one is one of my favorites. Really nice model. I like it a lot!

USF: Kick the Baby

Demon Child Overlord: Don't kick the baby WAAAAA!

I donno if you have already guessed but I'm not really getting any scary vibes from him.. something like that came up to me it would just be a swift kick and.. Field goal!

Thats fair enuff, is there anything u think i should add to the demon baby to make it more disturbing?

I like the idea of the spike studded dummy Ferocitas.
True, the character doesn't possess the repulsive fear factor of some of the other characters, but who says there can't be a bit of humour/amusement in any genre including horror/survival.

Yeah true, bit of humour goes a long way. But i wanted something scary lol this obviously isn't it! ah well. back to the drawing board.

Haha, cool concept. It could do with something though given the amount of polys you have at your disposal. Perhaps some sort of demonically warped toy or the like.

Even if you did kick the baby, It would still come back for more. What if it was sneaking around in the shadows making weird baby noises and when your back is turned it could pounce, what then ha. Then what would you do.

When I first saw this I though it was an alien mostly because of the big black eyes. I think if it were more like a human baby it would be more effective.

Jackablade: Yeah i was thinking some kind of bloody, spide studded dummy as mentioned above. or maybe it has an evil jack-in-the-box as a sidekick?

goodgod: i think u may be right, the whole, innocent big googoo eyes would lull you into a false sense of security, then when u least expect it, it turns around and ur a smoking pile of ashes hehe

either way, i've moved onto a 3rd concept.

Theres already someone doing an evil jack-in-the-box. How about an toy on a string that he can drag along behind him. But, you know, evil. Should make for something a little different.

Looks a tad like Jabba the Hut... Although the toxic slime trail idea is interesting..

GO THE TEACUP CAT MAN SHOOTING YELLOW SLIME OUT IT'S ASS!

"Sir how would you like yur pink jelly frapp? served? In a tall glass or in an angry teacup catman with an umbrella and yellow smelly crap firing out it's ass?"

lol at cat

but yeah the slug holds its similarites to jabba the hut and hut parodies

It still has potential though. Your guy has a more human form than Jabba. If you played that up you could probably get a nice disturbing character going.

nice cat

I don?t know how big that slugman thing is meant to be but it looks very feeble, like I could spill some salt on it and it would shrivel up and die.

At long long last. Ahhhhhh yes. I hope I win!!!! [:)]

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Congrats, you're challenger #13!

The money shot pic (hte last pic) should be 900x600 - if you can get that fixed for me asap, I'd appreciate it.. if not, nevermind.

so i guess the poly count has some breathing room ;P

Dude, you rock my world!

Thanks Thardswrothe... that makes me feel good.

MoonUnit... "breathing room"? Whatever do you mean?! Yes... I didn't quite reach 8500 polys, in fact no where near it !!

That little guy just made my day.. I'm still disappointed that you didn't make the "Teacup Cat Man" [:D]

Maybe that can be your next project [:p]

keep it up!

nasty, but a good idea. Ofcourse the spider concept is my fave :P

Those are some nice concepts man. Should make a wicked model.

That looks fantabulous, but the spider isn't quite happy enough for my likings.

Also, the axe should spray blood everywhere, because, y'know, people like blood and all.

I like the idea, but I love that guy's broken arm. Can just imagine that thing dangling by only a few strands >:D

Some concepts for the spider.
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hmmm i actually prefer the one you have on your first concept (not the little happy face one course, the one with the long bandy legs)

I agree MoonUnit. For some reason the first one is scarier. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's because it looks less make believe. I don't know.

That's not to say that I wouldn't be scared if I was confronted by the second spider.

The spider has 7 eyes! [:o] And i think long thin legs work better on a thin spider, if you bulk up the legs generally the spider is more heavy set as well. Ie Tarantula.

They're supposed to have nine, aren't they?

quote:Moonunit: hmmm i actually prefer the one you have on your first concept (not the little happy face one course, the one with the long bandy legs)
The first one was just a quick simple idea of what the spider might look like.

quote:fullmoon: I agree MoonUnit. For some reason the first one is scarier. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's because it looks less make believe. I don't know.

How can you agree? They are pretty much the same spider. It?s just that the newer one has more detail.

quote:HazarD: The spider has 7 eyes! And i think long thin legs work better on a thin spider, if you bulk up the legs generally the spider is more heavy set
It?s not literally a spider it?s more of a spider-like creature. And about the legs this create has heavy armour and a huge arse. If it had thin snappy legs they would brake to easily.

Sorry goodgod, I have to disagree with you that they are pretty much the same spider. True, you have the last word, because in the end it is you who drew the pictures. But to me the first one looks more agile, ready to spring off the ground onto an unsuspecting victims back, swiftly injecting it's offspring. It has that mosquito fear factor, where it's not the actual creature that is scary, but the knowledge of what it can do.

If the spider was as big as I have designed it to be. it just wouldn't work. It would be too heavy for how strong the legs are. and there not even that much diferent any way. it dosn't even have to jump that high, because it is big.

sorry but ive just gotta point this out:

quote:Originally posted by goodgod

it just wouldn't work. It would be too heavy for how strong the legs are.

your designing it for a game, theres a reall attempted realism but you dont need to be too up on the right muscle weight and everything. It is after all only a game, so you have some space to bend the truth.

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That looks great, really good proportions and very realistic. I'm just wondering which concept this one is from? Have you got a new concept (and not posted it)?
I was hoping you would make the spider, that was a cool idea..
Great human model though.

i guess thats just one side of the human concept, looks good sierra very smooth mesh

Nice work sierra... but what's it gonna be!?

thats really good man, esp the profile of the body and arm, I always find that harder than the front.

Progress

I've just about finished modelling and I?m hovering around
the 8450 mark. I?ve been unwrapping as I am going. The
different colours are the four different maps.
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looking good :)

Oops my mistake. I?m actually at about 10100.
Um yeah miner setback but I?ll deal with it.
Back to it then, got to get rid or those spare
1600 triangles.............f#@k

0k I've done it now. I got rid of those spare polys.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/goodgod/200498213833_man.jpg[/img]

the bumps on his shoulder make me shiver, very disgusting, AND ITS NOT EVEN TEXTURED YET!, love your work, i hope the texture can keep up with your modelling!

Why does youre age say 14? surely you cant be 14?

I?m not really 14 it?s just that I?ve never bothered to change from the default age in this forum. I?m really 18 turning 19 on the 22nd. Thanks for the replies. I don?t get much feedback but that?s all right. I can handle it.

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Wow. That looks excellent.
Great work and good luck.

cheers

I agree with smeg goodgod, excellent job! Great design, textures and model.
Good luck dude.

definately one of the top entries so far, it seems to me to be very original but still keeps closely to the theme.Both the modelling and texturing are top notch. There are lots of great little details as well, which is always great to see in model. good luck

I'm guessing this entry is completed.. You're challenger #9.

ROCK ON Noobies!!

So that'd be a man who turns into a different man when theres a full moon?

haha.

quote:Originally posted by Jackablade

So that'd be a man who turns into a different man when theres a full moon?

That's not a bad analysis of the name, but no, he doesn't change in the full moon. Hadn't really thought of it that way. Might have to change the name[:(]

What would you call a creature: human-cainine x

MAN-POODLE! BEWARE THE MAN-POODLE! HE EATS HATS! Do I really need it? here it is anyway... ;)

Just trying to get the hang of this forum thing
here is my progress over the weekend

cheers
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lookin good so far, very nasty face youve got there

quote:Originally posted by MoonUnit

lookin good so far, very nasty face youve got there

thanx

Im workin on the concept art now and trust me its a lot nastier

;)

the nastier the better :D

Looking good there.
You textured the head already? his eyes are a bit bright(white). Work really hard on them, they are a focal point for the face so alot of the attention will go there first when people see the face. Different values of blue mixed with abit of green always looks nice.

Pink also works nicely for that bloodshot "I've been texturing all day" look.

thanx for the feedback
Im finishing off the concept piece so people can see where im heading

the tex is just a rough one for now Im going to aim for a lot more realism

If you have seen the "gentlemen" episode of buffy thats the kind of thing im aiming at
(I will write a proper background for it soon)

OK finally here is my concept

The setting:
The lowstreets of London 1901.

The Story: 13 years after
Marie Jeanette) Kelly was discovered murdered and the case long on the dusty shelves of scotland yard, bodies of young women start to appear bearing all of the hallmarks of the famous Jack the Ripper. The real truth being that the first supposed victim Mary Ann (Polly) Nichols was killed not by Jack himself but by extreme medical and occult practices of the wealthy and medically elite illuminati in a search for eternal life. Our Jack was the unfortunate volunteer/victim of a demonic autopsy that went horribly right. In a rotting shell of a body the tortured spirit of jack escaped into the dark alleys with a hunger. a voracious addiction for fresh organs to ease his agony, after killing four more victims he was finally recaptured and held in a cell where experiments were continued for many years. Scotland yard as their attempts were thwarted to cover up the truth, Jack has escaped their grasp once more and there is a second chance to discover the horrible truth about the famous Jack the ripper.
He needs flesh....their flesh...your flesh....So lie back and relax the doctor is in the house.

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That?s actually not a bad picture. He looks like and kiss plus Michael Jackson impersonator.

rofl.. you could just do a model representing michael jackson in 30 years, that'd scare the bejesus out of quite a few people.

Wicked concept man. Certainly a lot more trouble than I'd ever go to, particularly for a competition that doesn't judge concept art. Your background story is a nice one too. Would make a good film... or indeed game.

looks great, love the manic expression and the split down the head

quote:Originally posted by Jackablade

Wicked concept man. Certainly a lot more trouble than I'd ever go to, particularly for a competition that doesn't judge concept art. Your background story is a nice one too. Would make a good film... or indeed game.

Thanks for the compliments although im not too sure of the michael jackson thing (alice cooper or marylin manson maybe) [;)]

i dont know really how the concept art affects the judging but i thought it would be good to demonstrate what i was going for (it can be a challenge to get the look of the model close to the concept)
so it was also a reference for myself. I love survival horror like Res. Evil but wanted to take the focus off the hardware and genetic science etc, so i set it back in time a bit. It would take more than a swift belt with a truncheon and a "your nicked son" to take this guy down, giving the term survival a better emphasis. And mist... lots of mist a great tool for horror. eg werewolf in london, ravenloft, HP lovecraft.

Just a post to say Im still in there
been too busy at work but cant wait to get stuck in over the weekend

there are some awesome models out there
will be good to see some of them all textured up

cheers
P

Alice.

i think what doord in his one word reply means is its allmost identical to american mcgees alice and other alice in wonderland parodys/conversions. Could use some more original material, add something to her or something.

really!? god damnit!!! ok neverind, ignore this one

Just a note: if you've uploaded an image and then later removed the post about the image, it's still stored on Sumea, unfortunately. You can click in "My Files" (on the top right of the screen) and delete it from there so it's not taking up space.

Well your committed now! Lets see a concept! [:D]

Here is a bit more of the concept I have for the character.

It was a day like any other when Clarence, the ultra-yuppie, left for work in his Mercedes SLK convertible. But this day a truck carrying telephone poles was left on an incline minus the handbrake. The truck slammed into the Mercedes, losing it's cargo. A telephone pole hit Clarence in the chest leaving quite a large hole, and shattering glass neatly removed Clarence's head.

Quick thinking by a conveniently nearby crazed scientist, Clarence was saved, albeit as a walking monstrosity. His head now sits proudly in the cavity left in his chest, along with the Mercedes bonnet emblem, embedded in his forehead.

Now Clarence is a slave to the scientist doing his evil bidding, and his accounting work.

Unfortunately I do not have a scanner to scan my lovely pencil work, please note the sarcasm, but I will be placing at least some of the images of the model in progress.

"by a conveniently nearby crazed scientist"

LOL they allways crop up when you need em :P

quote:Unfortunately I do not have a scanner to scan my lovely pencil work, please note the sarcasm, but I will be placing at least some of the images of the model in progress.Couldn't you whip something up on a graphic tablet, just so we've got some vague idea what your character is going to look like?

quote:Originally posted by Jackablade

quote:Unfortunately I do not have a scanner to scan my lovely pencil work, please note the sarcasm, but I will be placing at least some of the images of the model in progress.Couldn't you whip something up on a graphic tablet, just so we've got some vague idea what your character is going to look like?

Or even paint it with a mouse [:D]

Love the face :) Yeah you might want to break the red up a little. cool character though.

Don't know if Souri really minds as I've never heard him comment on it before but the pic is kind of huge, try not too post anything bigger than 800 x 600 unless you really need too.

Also compress the image, you can take heaps of Kb's of an image before you noticably destroy its quality.

thats a great start, cool face

quick update
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It?s a bit simple, don?t you think. And not very threatening. You should think about how this thing will affect the player in the game.

already have. and for now im keeping it to myself until this WIP becomes a final concept and i start modelling it. although my idea of threatening may be different to yours, im still open to ideas.

started modelling. ideas are changing/being added as i go.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/peddy/sumea-render01.jpg[/img]

mesh needs to be cleaned up somewhat, but torso mostly done.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/peddy/sumea-render02.jpg[/IMG]

edit: ignore the number on those screencaps, for apparent reasons

Sorry but I have to say it, the way you render wire frame is not very good. The push modifier doesn't work very well for making wire frame renders, because it can push edges in the wrong direction making edges over lap in areas (mainly areas with large amount of geometry, like hands and faces.)

The far better way to do it is to go into sub-object mode select all the edge and then use the "Create Shape From Selection", change the "Shape Type" to "Linear." Go out of sub-object mode select the spline and make it renderable. Change the spline thickness to what ever you want. This way in your wire frame renders the wire frame is on top of your edges not push 0.3 away from the edges.
[IMG]http://img31.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Doord/WireHelp.jpg[/IMG]

Also never forget to render 3/4 views in perspective.

How is that for a critique?? [;)]

or you ca just take a screenshot (Print Screen button) of a smooth/wireframe viewport. take it into good ol' paint and crop the all the unessessary stuff around the sides.

That is by far the fastest way.

One more thing I forgot to add was. If you are using edit poly with no smoothing groups and you do a max render you will have a render with all the edges. To render is so that you only have the edges you want use a smooth modifier and turn on auto smooth with a threshold on 0.

go screenshots! Less stuffing around. Refference is of course a big thing to. Are you entering Jackablade?

edit:whoops I just noticed that you are.

I'll get around to it eventually.

Interesting technique Doord, I hadn't heard of that one before, but the push technique has never failed for me and is used pretty much as standard over at Polycount. As with everything else, its whatever you feel is easiest. The problem with screenshots is you get big thick colored lines that are liable to obscure fine detail where your mesh is pretty dense. It also looks kinda crappy.

Second Doord's method - [:d] Just did a test on some dense polycount areas and the push method does get a bit inaccurate in those areas. And Ive never heard of that method before either [:)] its great to see hint and tips come out !

As long as you have your objects when created come with a black base colour you shouldn't have a problem with a view port screen shots.

I'm sure Doord will post something but which would render faster splines or polies? and yeah that was a question.

The reason you don't know about my technique is that I worked it out myself.

quote:Originally posted by Jackablade

The problem with screenshots is you get big thick colored lines that are liable to obscure fine detail where your mesh is pretty dense. It also looks kinda crappy.

This is the problem with using push. I have use more of a push then is needed for the hand, but this is about what would happen to the hand if the push was to work on the less dense mesh like the chest from a distance most render are from.

[IMG]http://img31.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Doord/WireHelp02.jpg[/IMG]

Left image splines, right image mesh and push.

Just a note to all, if you told that something is the way it is done because most people do it that way, it may not be right. Hell everything I was told at the AIE was the hard way to do things, and as far as I know they are using my modelling tutorial to show new students how to model which was written in edit meah (not edit poly.) So always question an idea, try it and see if you can improve on it or what use it is to you.

This looks like a good idea, to have a thread for discussing tips and problems concerning the challenge. I think it could be beneficial to everyone to have people posting questions about challenge related problems (and more importantly others trying to answer their questions). [:)]

With the wireframe shots, isn?t the point just to show the poly layout? It?s not like the wireframe is for pimping the model, so what?s wrong with using the quick and easy screen grab method? Whatever works, I guess. [:)]

Well, I?d like to be the first newbie to ask a question here, but I don?t really have any yet [:P]. But it seems to me like a good idea to have a thread just for challenge related problems/questions.

Did anyone notice the brief stated that the required submissions be screenshots?
The optional render can be what ever you like but no rendering and fancy lights for the rest.

We just want to see the models in there most pure form for judging purposes.

Oh one note you will need a rendered image if you are to be using the alpha, spec or bump map obviously.
Please don't go overboard with that though, 1 or 2 nicely light shots will suffice as I'm sure Souri doesn't want all his bandwidth eaten up.

I will add that to the brief. [:)]

Good, now I can render in wireframes instead of taking crappy usermode screengrabs!! Thanks guys

except that malus just pointed out that its screen grabs only for challenge submissions.:P

Makk: For gods sake don't screengrab user mode, I never understand why people do that, nice way to distort depth.
You can do a screengrab in a perspective mode, you do know that right?![:P]

...And don't render with a black back ground. Hi guys I'm new here!

What is wrong with black background?? (besides if the character is black.)[?] But don't render in the dark make sure poeple can see your model.

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user mode is cool!.........i like it....... reminds me off zelda 3 and games like that

Its easier to see a model's sihloette on a neutral (like grey) background than on a black one.

This screnshots only for submission business sounds strange to me... Surely it'd be better to do a quick render so you get all the antialiasing and proply calculated shading rather than the generally horrible viewport display. Whatever Souri wants I guess...

Jackablade: I generally agree with no black backgrounds, lose edges etc, as for the rest, your point is exactly why we don't want a render, all the fancy GI lighting etc is a nice way off hiding the faults in a model/texture.

The screengrabs are to show the models/textures in their purest forms.

You can render it out to show off the spec,bump and/or opacity maps if you use them or if you just want an additional pimp render.

Also I'm confused, you can still get nice antialiasing with a screengrab, why is that an issue?

You evidently feel strongly about the screen grabs issue, so I shan't argue any further. Perhaps its just my ancient version of Max that looks nasty in the viewports.

Anyway, getting back to the tips, something else people might like to consider is modelling in quads (four sided polygons). It makes life a whole lot easier, particularly when you start getting up into the higher poly levels. Easier modelling, better rigging and deformation. Its a good technique to try and pick up.

Personally tris gives you more control...the quads are made up of tris anyway it's actually BETTER to see what way the tris are going as I have to continually adjust the direction so it deforms/looks better the other way. using Edit Poly has it's disadvantages, it puts the tris how IT wants to, rather than like Edit mesh that allows you more control. In MAX anyway.

That, and to get an accurate poly count when you use edit mesh/tri based. Using edit poly lulls you into thinking you are doing exceedingly well on your count, only to find you have an extra 1000 polys you didn't think you had cos you turned your poly count to what they should be...which is the tri count, not poly count.

Still, I like using Edit Poly, the OTHER benefits outway the occasional need to add an edit mesh to see the real count, and the need to make each tri by hand when it doesn't do it MY way :)

Jackablade: Not all that fazed about the screengrab thing, just wondering why it mattered?
You can render pimp renders till the cows come home, why try disputing the orthographic shots?

I've had nearly every point on the brief questioned by someone and its getting old real fast so I don't mean to offend or be abrupt, just sick of the constant picking. [:)]

Tris, quads, splines... its just a way of constructing the mesh, there is no proven golden rule when doing any of them.
It comes down to personal choice, just remember a quad is just 2 tris. [:P]

For me, personally, well I generally like quads but I don't stick soley to them if its going to be wasteful, having a few tris isn't going to kill the mesh.
Quads are more of a visual thing for me, quads are cleaner and although Doord will disagree, lol, it makes poly flow easier to read, also edit poly is much better to use than edit mesh on Max.

Yes I modelled for ages in editmesh so I know both sides so don't rip into me for that statement editmesh lovers. [:)]

One thing I do hate is Ngons, 5+ sided polys, thats just pure laziness and bad construction, join 2 vertices and you will have a tri and a quad you lazy buggers. lol.

Discmage:
- You can turn on view all edges in editpoly to keep track of them, so edit mesh isn't the only way of doing that.
- I don't look to the polycount for making a good mesh and generally doubling your count will give you a semi accurate idea anyway.

quote:Originally posted by Discmage

Personally tris gives you more control...the quads are made up of tris anyway it's actually BETTER to see what way the tris are going as I have to continually adjust the direction so it deforms/looks better the other way. using Edit Poly has it's disadvantages, it puts the tris how IT wants to, rather than like Edit mesh that allows you more control. In MAX anyway.

That, and to get an accurate poly count when you use edit mesh/tri based. Using edit poly lulls you into thinking you are doing exceedingly well on your count, only to find you have an extra 1000 polys you didn't think you had cos you turned your poly count to what they should be...which is the tri count, not poly count.

Still, I like using Edit Poly, the OTHER benefits outway the occasional need to add an edit mesh to see the real count, and the need to make each tri by hand when it doesn't do it MY way :)

- You can use "Edit Triangulation" to change your eages in edit poly.

- There is a very good Max Script which show you the real tri count when using edit poly. (If you want a copy just e-mail me.)

The only reason I look at the polycount is we have a limit at the end...

I realised after finishing my head for example, that it already had 4500 tris...more than half the total allowed for this comp...so I had to cut that down significantly before moving on.

But I agree, Edit Poly is certainly better than Edit Mesh. I remmeebr back in the ol' days when it didn't exist. How we survived I do not know :)

I have the polycount script running all the time, (it is a replacement for the poly count script which comes with max that displays in your view port shortcut is "7" in default max.)

I don't think you're getting my meaning, Malus. [url]http://www.psilon.net/jackablade/Trolodyte%20head%2001.jpg[/url] This is what I'm talking about. It can be done quicker than loading up Photoshop to screendump. Anyway, its not like it matters. If you want screendumps then thats fine.

And you're quite right about the fact that its ok to have a few tris in the mesh if you're not going to subdivide. I had meant to mention that somewhere but got distracted by shiny things.

As for polycount in Edit Poly, if you've got max 5 or higher get Juan Martinez' awesome viewport poly count script [url]www.juantwo.com[/url] He's also got some nice scripts for mirroring verts in physique.

quote:It can be done quicker than loading up Photoshop to screendump
Yeah that whole 2 minutes is a real killer. [:0]

quote:Originally posted by Jackablade


As for polycount in Edit Poly, if you've got max 5 or higher get Juan Martinez' awesome viewport poly count script [url]www.juantwo.com[/url] He's also got some nice scripts for mirroring verts in physique.

That's the one I couldn't rememebr were I got it from.

sorry about this question, but exactly what are orthographics?
thanks

Conundrum : Flat front, side and back veiws ie no perspective / vanishing point(s)

quote:It can be done quicker than loading up Photoshop to screendump
you dont need to load up photoshop, all you need is Paint!

those spline ones look really nice, and i would certanly use them for pimping you mesh, but for quick progress shots a screen grab is just so quick.

and i'm for edit poly too (though i too started on edit mesh, luckily not for long though), and i agree with malus on the quads thing, looks heaps neater and easier to see the flow. but i like seeing trimeshes too cos if they're well constructed they look cool :)

looks very nice so far, finally someone other than me has gone with a good old fashioned monster. i like the proportions as they are although the only crit i have is that you should maybe try to accentuate some of the features of the creature as it looks quite bland right now, possibly enlarge his hindparts, and give his body a slope down to his head. just an example. keep it up though, cant wait to see the model.

yeah atm he does look pretty generic, perhaps have the skin and texture differetiate (sp?) between the different areas to show where the dog end and the bat beings etc, because whilst your explanation fits his consrtuction right now, he could just as easily be a gargoyle type character with no multiple species influence.
good start though.

Thanks guys. Yeah, I think you are right. I think I?ll play around with the hind legs and make them more, er, werewolf like. I was thinking maybe about adding a line of spikes along his back and tail also, kind of like a dinosaur might have.

But as Moonunit pointed out, texturing will be the important part when it comes to making him less generic. His tail will be like a lizard, his hind section with be fury (if I can work out how to paint that :P), his wings will be bat like, and the idea is that his upper body, arms and head are very human ? with bat facial features giving him a kind of vampire look.

Of course wether I actually make it as far as completing the texture is another story! For now I just want to concentrate on getting the basic mesh done. If I have time, I might later play around with some colour painting to try and hammer out the multiple animal idea a bit more.

Yay, I?ve made a wing =_= Not much yet, but it?s a beginning.
It still needs a bend modifier, and a bit of tweaking.

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Yeah, it's about 1300 polys. I'll probably need to reduce that later.

Next I plan on doing the legs. I?m thinking that I might beef the leg muscles up a bit, while keeping the front smaller. I?m not sure yet.

I just need to get on the ?puter after work instead of always crashing in front of the PS2! [:P] Damn you Spiderman 2 and your massive city!

Here?s an idea for the legs/hind section. Instead of canine DNA, it?s kangaroo.
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that would certainly be very cool...... and i dont think i have ever seen a creature which mimics the kangaroo.....

it would be like watching skippy on acid

just an update

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/mikamika/200472463142_image007.j…]

Looks pretty cool

I cant understand how it will move, just pull itself along? I like the top ones legs better

new idea this time. trying for a slient hill feel.

and Mark the above one moves by draging itself along.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/mikamika/200472471929_image008.j…]

haha that looks awesome.

The legs are very inviting, yet the head is very uninviting... i just grossed myself out. :P Maybe for extra grossness is put a breast underneath the torso, or what appears to be a torso. hehe, its pretty cool how it is.

Though i dont think you'd ever see a model like that ever use 8000 tris in a published game. I spose it's only a limit not an objective the polycount

Hey mikamika, welcome to Sumea! [:)]

Wow, great concept (that last one) ? that thing?s creepy!![:0]

thanks guys, I was going to put in a breast, Mark. but i think the scars have a nicer feel to them (makes you wonder where they are now). IT was wearing high heels at one stage :), but i thought better of that. I didnt think that this would go over 3000 - 4000 . but its good to know that you dont have to use it all.

here's a more detailed version of the head

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/mikamika/200472485244_image009.j…]

That is truely insane. It would be interesting to animate as well. How does she attack?

Very cool character. The animation would be truely cool for her.

just a few ideas for how it could attack and move about.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/mikamika/200472523554_image0010…]

Nice job on this concept - i like it alot more than the first couple [:)]

hehe that is hillarious, and at the same time quite freaky. Nice drawings.

thanks Hazard and denz, yeah i like this concept alot more than the first two. she's more in keeping with the whole S/H theme.

creepy as, good work. That would be awesome animated with agile like attacks

and another

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/mikamika/200472565223_image0011…]

a more refined head

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/mikamika/2004725101116_image0013…]

ok heres the final colour, modeling underway :)

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/mikamika/20047298948_image0014.j…]

thats looking great, one of the most true to the genre entries around, i could just see that in silent hill. very nice concepts, i hope you can really utilise the high poly count and make some really nice details. looking forward to your start in modelling

Fantatsic artwork. If the model is anything like the art, this will be very sweet.

I like this, very much [:D] perfect

wow really like that colour there, good luck with modelling

ok here's the head, it about 1700 poly's at the moment. crit away people

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/mikamika/200473165547_image0015…]

wow thats great, really reflects the concept

ok here's the body bit, its just mirrored at the moment. I'm going to make it less symetrical as well.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/mikamika/200473194453_image0016…]
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looking great so far, a very nice model, no crits other than i was wondering if you have a texture on it or if thats just the render. keep it up though looking great

conundrum, no the bottom render is just using GI(e-light) with a standard max texutre.

Going good. The only weird thing is that her head looks a little rounder (from the front) in you concept art.

ok here it is with legs attached, as it stands its 4082 polys at the moment. guys i really need some crits/feedback on the structure of the legs and feet, the best way to model them for the pose/animation that i want to use, which is like the colour concept. I just have an odd felling that something isnt right [?]. I may just have to go back and model them with a bit more refrence material.

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lol at gaping hole ;)

the only thing that really looks not right atm with those legs is the fact that shes (she?) posed odly, like the feet arent flat and the... err... mid section is low. Modelling wise it looks fine.

I think the legs will work fine - I think what your 'niggle' as to something being wrong is the legs alignment.
From the knee down looks like it could be rotated a fraction more outward. But I think it looks fine the way it is [:)]

damn, that facial pic looks like it came right off the cover of one of those "childs play" movies or something. Crazy stuff, well done :D

Man that's awesome! Love that painting. Really freaky, can't wait to see more [:D] Great work keep it up.

Great pics, the top right one looks a whole lot like Gollum.

Air Blaster, That face is fantastic. I'm a big fan. Can't wait to see her model...
P.S. What does DK stand for?

Thanks for the kind words Sin. Maybe our two girls can get together for a tea party sometime. Needless to say I love your idea.
P.S. Decay. I know it's a bit silly but what the hell!

Airblaster: I must have missed your initial post, I sit next to your mate Toasty here at work, he showed me the wip's you sent, some really great stuff man (especially since its one of your first) you should post them up here for the others to see.

There's something about that porcelin doll look that is really disturbing. Would be awesome in a game. Nice work.

Hey guys! Thanks for the comments. I haven't put stuff up since the concept, so here's
a look see for you all. Hope you like.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/air blaster/200481185210_dk_3q_v001.jpg[/img]

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looking very nice, it has nice proportioans and does justice to your concept. the only thing that i can think of is that the expression isn't particularly scary, perhaps you could give her a slight scowl just too make it look more sinister as the eyes look a little too innocent. no crits other than that, keep up the great work

Air Blaster - Very cool model. Love all the tiny little details like the button on her shoulder. I feel so sorry for her. Having a receding hair line at that age.

Conundrum - The face is just in a neutral (stoned) expression for facial rigs. I doubt it will stay like that :)

looks cool dude........

only gripe ......i would like to see the volume in the 'lips' that you had in the sketch put back in....

other than that..... rock on .....

cant wait to see it textured....

Great, I like it, it's got an awesome twisted cartoony look to it.

Well here is the finished product. Took some time though,
I had to learn as I went. I used an alpha channel
for the hair and necklace.
It's been fun and I'm loving all the other models, especially to see them textured. Good luck to everyone!

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/air blaster/20049197335_Airblaster_01.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/air blaster/200491973341_Airblaster_02.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/air blaster/20049197346_Airblaster_03.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/air blaster/200491973432_Airblaster_04.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/air blaster/200491973457_Airblaster_05.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/air blaster/200491973532_Airblaster_06.jpg[/img]

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You're Challenger #12!

I love the expression. Good luck

Another girl character, but not undead should be interesting.

I seen you work posted on the AIE site I would like to know were are you starting work??

Ah, I thought I recognised the alias... Not sure I can put it to a face or name, but I remember hammering you with rifle grenades in ET a few times.

I have work posted up on the AIE website? I'll have to check that out.

I'll be working at Tantalus in Melbourne.

And yeah, the more I look through the proposed entires, the more creepy little girls I see, so I'll be moving away from that idea. Where to exactly I have no idea - creativity has never been one of my really strong suits unfortunately

You might of been in the first year if you were at the AIE the same time as Doord. As for ET I can't evern think of what that is. I remember playing BF 1942 a bit against the first years.

Unless someone with the same name as you who went to the AIE then I belive this is your work:

http://www.aie.act.edu.au/graduate/03_graduate.php?ID=33

I think you would of remembered something like this, hence you gave them the render to put up...

Anyways congrags about the Job at Tantalus

and it sounds like a good idea to stay away from those girl characters there are so many of them around. I find it funny that we are doing a Horror theme and so many people are doing girl based characters [:p]

Ah Unique Snowflake, another old AIE gaming adversary. So Doord was in the next year up was he? I would have been hammering his arse with hand grenades then in Battlefield. Anyone else around here I might recognise? Oh and ET would be Wolfenstein:Enemy Territory.

Haha, damn theres some horrible models on that bio/resume thing. The proportions on that third guy are just embarassing.

Sorry to hijack your thread with an irrelevant question, but what kind of electronic music do you compose Jackablade? [:)]

Thats ok, you've got a thread there I can always derail too :p

Its been quite a while since I've done any musical composition and I was never that good at it to start off with, but I tend to go for the sort of music they play on the Sound Lab on Triple J. I dunno if theres any really good term for it - wanky pretentious art electronica is probably as good as any.

If you're looking for musicians though, I can hook you up.

Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand, I think I've got an idea. Well small portion of an idea at least. Someone was talking about Steampunk in one of the threads leading me to my usual diatribe about no one doing it properly and whatnot. So I'm thinking perhaps I'll do something along those lines although more clockwork stylee (complete with a big key). I'm still mulling over exactly how I'm going to work this into the Survival Horror theme, but I'm on the way.

Ok, I've decided on a character. I've decided against the clockwork character, mostly because I want to do some facial morphing typed stuff which wouldn't be much fun on a metal character.

I've selected your traditional psycho pygmy guy from the deep deep jungle. I'll work out a proper story for him later. Without further ado:
[img]http://www.psilon.net/jackablade/Pygmy.jpg[/img]
and a better version of the face.
[img]http://www.psilon.net/jackablade/Pygmy%20face.jpg[/img]

In addition I've concepted up a few accessories - a cloak made from sewn together scalps and a shaman staff with a severed head and a string of fingers on the top. The drawings are little more than quick scribbles and aren't really worth posting here.

...And the modelling begins
[img]http://www.psilon.net/jackablade/Trolodyte%20head%2001.jpg[/img]
Got a long way to go before he starts looking much like the concept (and less like the Doom 3 fat zombie) but we're on the way.

very nice so far, looks like its a well distributed model. the only thing thats niggling me is the overall shape of the face, i think it could look more effective if you were too enlarge the jaw and neck, it should add to the brutishness of the character. other than that its looking great.

looking good so far, great poly distribution (something which im yet to get the hang of)

coming along nicely... for sure!
nice clean mesh....

you have a stack of polys..... make sure you dont fall into the sharp edged corner of the mouth trap...

that is a very expressive part of the face, so be sure to use it to your advantage....

http://www.3dtotal.com/ffa/tutorials/max/mouth_tutorial/mouth.htm

this is a basic tut on mouth structure..... very crude..

loking forward to seeing this evolve

The mouth polys are actually all in neat loops, they're just not terribly well laid out at this stage.

As for the neck, I've only just extruded that out. I'll make sure I make it nice and bulky.

Back to work then.

...And lo we have another small-ish update.

[img]http://www.psilon.net/jackablade/Trolodyte%20head%2002.jpg[/img]
And comparing to the concept
[img]http://www.psilon.net/jackablade/Trolodyte%20head%20comparison.jpg[/img]

His head is looking a bit skinny at the moment, but once I get a mass of hair planes in there it should bulk it out a bit.

If you think you have come up with a good idea, when modelling it in 3d you should try to stick to the same characteristics as the concept. I say this because so far what I?ve seen of your model seems to be just a less exaggerated version of you concept. Thus the effect won?t be as strong.

Nice work Jackablade - I like how you've modelled the wrinkles.

looking good, though the chin protruded more in the concept (or is that the lip, hard to tell)

Yeah, I'm working that in at the moment. I tried making his eyes bigger like in the concept, but I think the small piggy eyes work better.

Anyway, I decided while walking my dog this evening to diverge significantly from my original concept towards something far cooler. I like the way that fat rolls are looking, but they're not really apropriate to the pygmy idea which should really be a quick and agile enemy. I've also been thinking about ways I could soak up some polygons given the general lack of major detail in my concept and started thinking about mounts.

What I'm thinking now is I'll create Famine, one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Again he'l be tricky to work into a survival horror theme, but shouldn't be too ghard with a bit of thought. Basically I'll keep work my current model into a morbidly obese man, keeping the fat rolls going right the way across the body, And sit him on a really thin almost skeletal and diseased looking horse. I'll do another concept up shortly to work out the finer details, but I think this idea has far more potential than the old one. I'll try and work out a proper storyu too.

sounds great, hurray for the horsemen! :D (and the fifth who left the group before they became famous )

Ah Mr Pratchett, the world would be a far less amusing place if not for him.

good to see some facial detail in a model..... i am a big fan of that.....
...... too many people relying on big shoulders and muscles to depict 'scariness' and horror !! ;) .....

your model has cool shaped eyes...

pretty neat looking concept but it does draw a lot of similarities to the story "the bride" (that which kill bill was based upon).

I've never read the 'The Bride" So I'll have to take your word on it. I guess this chick is also a 'Bride', but I don't remember the bride in Kill Bill slashing her own wrists and haunting her house as a ghost...but maybe I just didn't watch the films close enough :P Hopefully I'll do some more concepts soon to flesh her out and make her more unique.

Hey Toasty, looks good. [:)]

Looks good, nice concept man. Love the full length old fashion wedding dress. A Vail over her face would make her more mysterous. But i cant wait to see what you do to flesh this one out.

JD

Just a quick update on a possible face. I need to find time to do proper character model sheet, so I can lock of the design and start modelling.

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Ohhh that looks nice [:)] nice pencil work there toasty.

very strong design! nice work.

That head looks fantastic! The blood makes her super creepy.
keep up the great work.

amazing pencil work, youve just gotta have bloodstains on that pretty white dress >:)

Looking good, Mr Toast
I would like to see her looking a little more ugly, so I am keen to see her in her second stage.... Doing any concept stuff for that?
Eh?