Sumea Modeller Challenge

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Gregor the villainous, here is some progress...

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/104_gregorL.jpg[/img]

And a close up of the head (still fairly symetrical at this stage)...

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/104_gregorheadL.jpg[/img]

That is the most disgusting face I have ever seen, I love it. Being a well padded man myself that second stomach roll isnt quite right, unless he is leaning forward quite a bit, and even then its more of a folding of the upper and lower fat rolls into each other. Not sure if that makes sense :P But apart from that it's looking good, very evil garden gnome.

Looks great. Very ugly indeed. I like it how his ear sags down like some sort of limp sack.

Yeah, the fat rolls seem a bit strange. Also if he was that fat, I think he would have man boobs too. There isn't really a divide between the breasts like you'd expect.

Looking good, keep it up!!

He reminds me of a garden gnome! :)
Great work there Idaho, espacially the face which looks disgusting......which, in this case, is a good thing! :D

can we see a shot a of the working mesh. for the body and a closeup of the head.

the gnome thing.......its the hat isnt it? yeh i think its the hat

It's also the general shape of clothes and body as well, it's almost like you have taken the natural fear and paranoia surounding gnomes in general and showed their true form :P

He reminds me of a guy at work. He has been dubbed 'The Angry Garden Gnome'. As soon as I saw your guy I cracked up. Good work. I love how his face has that really sloppy look (and not just the shader).

I do agree with Ionized's comment about his tits. There definitely has to be more clevage there. His stomach also looks a bit 'flat'. He could probably do with a bit of sagging around his stomach (to keep up the sloppy look).

Looks very cool though.

Hey Guys, thanks for all your crits so far. Keep them coming!!!
here is a working mesh of 'Gregor the villainous' as requested by Mr Inglis

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/104_workmeshL.jpg[/img]

Im still working with the hands so far so i will post an update on them when they are presentable.

Cheers!

Made up one!

[img]http://www.boomspeed.com/sorcerorbob/steiner.gif[/img]

'After falling into a beer tank and narrowly escaping death, Steiner McKeg began to develop in ways unique to his age, at 3, he refused to be seen in any clothes other than faded blue singlets and stubby shorts, at 4 he could burp the alphabet, when he was six, he could fart the national anthem - he was a popular young boy.
His parents, though, were worried, a boy his age shouldn't be leaving pinch marks on the rear of every girl or woman that walked past him. Without considering alternatives, they locked the young boy in the basement.

Twelve years later, on his 18th birthday, his father climbed down the basement steps, with two bottles of beer in his hands. 'Happy Birthday son', he said while opening one of the bottles, he handed the lager to Steiner, who first sniffed the liquid, then took a small sip to test the taste. His eyes lit up, and the rest of the bottle was emptied down his throat.

Before his fathers eyes, he began to change, Steiners frame, almost skeletal from years without excercise began to put on bulk, muscle and fat soon transformed his body into that of an eight foot tall giant. Steiner reached down and took the other bottle out of his fathers trembling hands. 'What, is it?' he asked, his deep, nasally voice making his father jump.
'It's beer.'
And so, Steiners life had purpose, for no particular reason at all, he would reap terror on humanity, while getting drunk at the same time. He drank down the beer, marvelling at the taste, before knocking his father out with the bottle and escaping up the stairs to freedom..'

err. scuse the long story.
This is the character I will be building.. It'll be a change from my usual stuff, in that he'll be a fatso rather than completely buffed up, he's armed with a beer cannon(keg on his back for ammo), fired by pulling on the tap at the top of the weapon. In his left hand, is an oversized bottle opener.

Err, any questions/comments?

yay!! beer cannon! lol

kick ass character :)

now start modelling...[8D]

err, a note on the concept.

The 'style' behind it was based on a .avi James 'hawkprey' Hawkins made and put on polycount. I decided to give it ago.

HAH! Steiner McKeg!! lol :)
Nice one :)

Thats my kind of character!

Scott.

Yeah!!! More beer!!!

What brand does he have on tap?

I reckon that ammo belt across his shoulder should be a bunch of stubbie holders sown together filled with stubbies.

More beer, more beer, more beer, more beer...
More beer, more beer, more beer...
More beer, more beer, more beer, more beer...
More beer, more beer, more beer...
(to the tune of that beer song)

Happy Camper - I think he'll have just a made up beer type, while it would be cool to make him a VB man, I think it would be sending the wrong message - that drinking VB is good.

Yup, the bandoleer will be filled with all kinds of useful accesories. Beer cap shurikens, Can-grenades, not to mention salted nuts, to fuel the flaming flatulence power.

model progress?? come on mckeg :)

:(
I've had no time to work on him. Stupid work keeps bugging me to go in, and day time I'm always busy.

hows the modelling going bob?

[img]http://www.boomspeed.com/sorcerorbob/keg.jpg[/img]

Not a great deal done unfortunately.. My spare time is mostly going into sleep.. Stupid work. Theres probably an extra 30 minutes of work been put into this guy.. mainly nipples, extra saggage on man boobs, as well as a clean up of the low res mesh.

I'm still in the comp. Just kinda slow :(

found some time with which to scratch myself..

[img]http://www.boomspeed.com/sorcerorbob/kegpimp.jpg[/img]

Doesn't look like a whole lot has changed, but I've cleaned up alot of horrible things, still have more horrible things to clean up, but it's more efficient than it was at the time of my last pimp.

I've learnt alot already, which is what I'm most pleased with.. I didn't enter this comp to win it :) but to learn!!

I would like to also say, that it is impossible to search for 'fat middle aged male' on google, without getting a tonne of porno links. Lack of reference has been an issue :)

When I had to make a fat stoner guy for our Commercial Production at the AIE, i used reference of Chris Farely a lot. SNL (Saturday Night Live) was a big help, but his movies should also be of help as he seemed to hate wearing clothes for too long :) There was one skit on SNL that was particulary useful. He is trying out as a Chip 'n' Dale's dancer, so a lot of angles and nakedness.

he is looking good at the moment though. It's good to hear that you are learning a lot :)

[img]http://www.boomspeed.com/sorcerorbob/keglegs.jpg[/img]

*points at time* This working nights thing sucks.. I decided to stay up a little longer than usual, and do some modelling love.

I did manage to find some references of fat guys, my guy is quite different to them. I'm going to have to adjust some areas to make him more 'fatty' - but I'm trying to get a balance between muscle and flab. Let me know what you think.

That looks sweet for a fat dude man!!! i like him alot,.. but just quickly ,.. you probably already see,. but i think the forarms look a smidgen long,.. for the rest of his short stocky body.

minor detail though,.. probably only one of prefference,.. man i wanted to enter this comp,..

you're 100% correct there Hazard :)

Hands will be in there somewhere. Soon.. err.. Later..

[img]http://www.boomspeed.com/sorcerorbob/kegnudodudo.jpg[/img]

Work ran out of money for the week :D So I was able to spend some time at home modelling.
I've decided that feet suck.. More to the point, toes are crap.. I don't think it looks *too* bad..

Took the shorts off, and started modelling the groin/hip area.. Again, I really had problems thanks to lack of correct ref, but I think it's sort of right.. Nearly. And yes, you can see the early stages, of the wang. It's not going to be uber defined with mega dynamics and veinage, sorry guys.. Just enough for me to build accurate stubby shorts over the top

Let me know what you think, I'm actually suprised.. It's not looking crap.

Tomorrow, provided work don't want me, I'll start on the clothes. With a bit of luck, I'll actually get it finished. :)

Looking pretty good Bob. Your concept art has him wearing big boots, so don't even bother with his feet (I'm not with mine ;) ). His knee caps a little too centred and a bit too thin (narrow, whatever). Just push them a little out and fatten those babies out and the should look good. The back of his arse shouldn't be quite so pert. Sag it down to his kneecaps. The roll(s) of flab right under his shoulder need a bit more shaping to them. On beefer guys, they tend to start higher up near the spine, and sag down as they reach the outer edge of the body. They then curve back up and meet the breasts. The wang is good enough, but should be more of a 'lowrider'. Let's get reverse sexism into this industry :D

Keep on going, he should look really good at the end. Well done for your first high poly guy as well.

I decided to take the feet route, simply because when making the concept, I forgot to take a key part of Australian culture into account..

Thongs.

So yeah, I've made life a little difficult for myself, but If i can do it, it will suit the character more.

Thanks for the help Matt!

I found a tute for making feet that you may find useful.

http://www.3dtotal.com/team/tutorials/mayafeet/mayafeet1.asp

It is meant for Maya, but I'm sure you will adapt :)

Thanks Matt :D Bookmarked

wheres that concept ninja? :)

OK here is the concept but to tell u guys now i cant get this all done in time. I will model him during my free hours if i get some[xx(]. But anyways this will be a preview of one of my characters for my website which im working on and should be up soon. I will post the WIP in the exhibition section for this character.

[img]http://www.members.optushome.com.au/cconcepcion/wip/exihibition.jpg[/img]

chris....[:D]

Awesome concept. Its a shame your short on time, this Highpoly Challenge hasn't had much progress and could use an entry like yours.

that is one ludicrously sized sword!

quote:this Highpoly Challenge hasn't had much progress

yeah..there seemed a lot more interest - thats why i posted the challenge. ohwell.

ps. cool concept- athough im not a big fan of anime style art. but quite cool.. big ass sword.

LOL thankx guys its a gigantic knife actually.

yeah i think there will only be inglis, aven and SB that will finish this comp...... [:D]

just upset that i can't do this one because high poly is me specialty (although still love low poly!!!)

oh wells have to wait for the next one [:D] hopefully there is plenty of time for the next one which includes texturing !!!

I so wanted to enter but find myself slack and unwilling.... Actually I'm just flat out on some mod goodness I want to get off the ground.

Sweet concept Chris, I'd fix the perspective in the feet but apart from that its very cool.

now THAT is a knife

Nice concept.
I like the boots and pants, your linework is good.
One area that could be improved is your colours, they look a little rushed. For example, there is a lot of white used for the highlights.

nice art man. the only thing is that looking at the lack of buldge on his pants, you can tell why he has such a big knife :D

i like the knife though. as we all know, an anime character is judged on the size of his/her weapon. that's why Tessai from Ninja Scroll rocked so damn hard.

i would definitely love to see him made up though.

yeah this concept is very rushed [xx(] i only had a few hours to do it, colours are off and even highlights are way off, perspectives etc (i even forgot to draw in his nipples [:0]!!!!! ) ..... but its a quick concept..... i find it always works out better in 3d..

thankx guys once again [:D]

I like thw concpet. But i would probably give him a bigger knife... just cut loose and go for the biggest sword->character ratio EVER!

ahem

cheers

I actually like the white highlights, makes your work more stylised.

im looking foward to seing some progress

realy like your last entry for the challenge hope this one comes out just as good if not better

Nice concept Ninja! Is he supposed to have chicken walker style legs? It sort of looks like he does. Looking forward to seeing some modelling.

hey nice concept. i do really enjoy looking at your work. :) nice clean line art too. did u use the pen tool in photoshop? if so ur a champ :D
i wish you had time to finnish it tho :(
but i think you should eventually get him done. Id like to see :)

Thats nutz dude, i love your style hey, even tho im not the biggest anime / manga fan in the world - your work is crazy - i still frequently swap to your money shot for your entry in the last poly comp as my desktop!!!!

But for the meantime Final Fantasy 12 resides,.. but i must admit i came THIS CLOSE to chucking that concept on there!!!

Keep up the good work man, thats nutz, truly nutz.

P.s that knife,... i agree,.. go for the BIGGEST knife / character ratio EVER... reminds me of crocodile dundee .... " thats not a knife,... THIS is a knife "

thats a spoon....

sorry..couldnt help myself.

I see you've played knifey spoony before.

wow hehe i havent been here for a while [:)] i will model him with a huge knife with a spoon as well or maybe a fork ? [:)] !!.. but haven't had the chance to even start. Will start soon....

chris.

Givee him a spork instead :p hmmm, maybe I should use that idea....

im making a little rapscallion gollum sized (not so skinny) character. started modelling.
fantasy ofcourse.

well, thats what i have planned. by then end he may very well be quite different.

ill get some pics and concept art up soon....

[update]

here is my progress so far. so much for the original idea of a skinny gollum sized creature.......
* the colour map is just proceedural. makes it a little more interesting to work with that just a grey blinn texture.

i do have a little sketch of what im going for but dont have a scanner here..ill get it up when i can.

Interesting anatomy there...me waits to see more.
oh, do you use Max or Maya?

max

what do u mean interesting anatomy? something really odd?

Well, his neck muscles are quite large compared to the other areas, but since I cant see the rest of the character it may look fine.

yeah the neck, it should all come into place when i put a head on there.

looking nice man!!! the guy is gonna be a tank with a neck like that.
'spose he could get a job as a bouncer... Then there is a high possibility he could run into Mr.McKeg! hehehe

Cool looking torso man, I think it's coming along great. I agree that the neck muscles are very large. Also the back muscles seem very large too. It might all make sense when you stick a head on it though, so I'll reserve judgement.

Just like to say your modelling style rocks! If you don't mind, what method of modelling do you use, and what package are you using? Also, are you using displacement maps for the finer details?

Thanks

I too would be interested to know how you have achieved such fine detail on his/her skin. Displacement, bump, or (hail or lord and master), actual polys? I dont see any point passing comment on the neck as you dont even have a head on there yet. There really isnt too much point making the neck perfect if you have nothing to connect it to. Going by the pic so far, Im sure that it will look very cool.

i have modelled the lowerbody now (including feet), will get some images up soon.
ive wipped off most the neck and am going to build a new one, the head i made doesnt suit. the neck would have worked if he had a big fat cavetroll like build. so i will be making anoter head, the first head i made i am happy with and will be using it in my demoreel anyway so its not a complete waste.
no hands yet.

on another note i am back working on my orc as well. i have managed to find a save that isnt too far back that isnt corrupt.
just have to uvwmap it again. so im just detailing that mesh and creating armour at the moment as well.

so i have this villain, orc and that beastie currently in the works...and a few other things i havent shown you guys.

looking forward to seeing updated pics. as well as the other projects you currently have going.

Although youve stated that your going to remake the neck,.. i reckon that neck would go well with a young minotaurs head or something with a massive heavy skull.

post some updates !!! your work is unreal!!

thanks hazard.
sorry i havent posted any updates ive been working on a different model for the past week and a bit and havent opened it up to render some out.

where the hell is everyone elses progress...come on guys.
lot of people seemed keen - i hope you all come out of the woodwood before the end :)

update:

[img]http://effectism.com/sumea/inglis_sumeahighpolycomp1_wip02.jpg[/img]

inglis that is freakin awesome !!!! nice use of displacement mapping and bump mapping!!! cant wait to see the whole proportion of the character.

nice work as usual [:D]

chris..

WOW. Very nice. The only fault I can see may not even be a fault. In that pic, the inside if his knees seems to have a little pointy bit. It may just be in the shadows and angle though.

Beautiful otherwise.

thanks guys-

aven: i just checked that out and it was a vein displacement causing that. just fixed it so the vein now runs down the inside of the knee. i replaced the image with the changes.

small update:

[img]http://effectism.com/sumea/inglis_sumeahighpolycomp1_wip03.jpg[/img]

the area between the upper and lowerbody will be modelled :) i just got bored and started playing around with the front cloth.

Looks great. Very nice modelling Inglis. The legs are great and I love the vein work you've done. The calves especially look very convincing.

Something about the chest seems strange though. It does look awesome, but perhaps the muscles seem a bit taught. They seems like he is in mid flex, but then again, it will probably make more sense when you pose him.

Anyway, good job.

looking great Inglis. I would agree with Ionized that the chest muscles are a little bit too flexed.
looking forward to the finish.
oh and will you be rendering it colour with a diffuse map or whatever they are called?

dude that mole near his belly button is exactly the same place mine is..... *freaky* although my friends used to call it cindy cos she was a model and she had one on her lip so we'd joke about mine being cindy mole.

looking very nice though, i suggest a really soft (touchable) looking skin for it too offset how buff and taught he looks that way it'll give it a tough but real/skin soft feel to it. but that's my opinion do whatever u like :)

Such is life.....

first thread and has opted for a real guy...ill make a villian which will make ned kelly look like soccer mum! [:p] lol

good luck

are you going to model him with the many bullets in him? :)

You might want to check out this:

http://www.glenharris.com/ironbark.htm

Its not so much highpoly though.

was talking to USF on MSN , he is going for quite a more realistic version of ned.
hes been looking up his armour, guns, belt, shoes etc...

one of his brothers looks like eric bana!

hows the modelling progressing?

w00t finaly a update. Pitty it isn't much : /
I should have a heap more time so I should be able to get some stuff up faster.

Anywhooooooooooooo.

http://uniquesnowflake.web1000.com/sumea/Ned.html

The head was modelled off Neds Death Mask (plaster mold).
not perfect but the shape is there.

note: I don't know if my website will work. its being invaded with crap. so sorry if you get there website instead of mine.

Tried to have a look last night and just then. It goes to Pay For Surveys. Although I can't see what you are making, It's good to hear that you are still in it though.

ITS BACK UP!

who knows for how long.. so if you get on soon you might catch something.. evern though I have done more now...

More up to date.

http://uniquesnowflake.web1000.com/sumea/Ned13.html

Any chance of orthographic views?

Looking good USF! love the helmet :D. maybe the eyes are a little too far apart, and slightly too large. It'd be cool if you added about 10 years to his age (wrinkles around the eyes).

Great work though! cant wait to see it finished.

Yeah, I'd like to see him with the beard as well

me be in!

Another bad guy challenge?

quote:Originally posted by JonathanKerr

Another bad guy challenge?

I would have thought the comp was not so much the bad guy as the antagonist. This can include the misguided, the stupid the theologically opposed, the ideologically different. The spanner in the works for the hero or an important member of the forces opposed to the side that history has deemed right.

That was my take on it anyway.

Pantmonger

God damn it, I would love to do it, but they just started a comp at Polycount, that I want to do more :(

Maybe I could build this one in two week, but I very much think I will not have the time.

Bingo pants :)

ahhh..i just noticed i spelt Villain wrong in the topic name and the syntax so everyone who has created their thread.
You might want to correct the spelling :)

quote:Originally posted by JonathanKerr

Another bad guy challenge?

Why is there always such problems with the topics on this site.

Even the tightest topic thread can be widely different, basically its up to your imagination.

Cool topic Inglis and a good breakdown Pants.

If I can get some work out of the way I'm in this for sure, just don't want to start something and not finish again. [:(]

I would just like to introduce myself ans say hello. Mr. Bob of Sorcery told of this community a long time ago, and i have been lurking in the shadows for a while waiting for the right time to join.

I would love to part take in this little comp and i just have one question. I am fine showing images of progress, but can i just start a topic once my whole character is complete and bombard it with multiple posts showing my progress? just so save myself time and leave people in a state of curiosity.

please let me know.

the reason for showing your progress is so people can help out, offer any crits etc.
its for your aid to help you improve your work.
you dont have to upload every day. but just so we have an idea of where youre going with it.

[edit]

welcome. :)

Usualy with forum comps we post WIP so that others can see how it is that we each do things, and also so we can offer each other advice as we go along.

Pantmonger

okay. thanks a lot for the speedy reply. i jarred my thumb on sunday at work, so it is a little tender at the moment. I will definitely post some concept art in a few days though.

thank you both again

i just thought that people may also bee interested in this database of tutorials. the majority are meant for Maya, but they can be adapted to other apps. most of the modelling tutes are also to do with high poly work, so a few people may find it useful.

http://www.learning-maya.com/tutorials.php

enjoy

I've always considered megatron from the transformers to be a pretty cool villain, but I'm not sure that he fits into the guidelines of a humanoid?

Anyway, dibs on megatron it he's valid (I'd do the one from the latest series, armada, since he's a hell of alot more detailed).

Ironikart - Must be an original concept (unless you are recreating one from history, real or fictional.)

The 'fictitional' part is aimed at historical literary villains, eg, captain nemo.. I don't think basing it on a TV villain is within the rules guidelines, sorry :/

yeah, I thought the creativity aspect would let me down on that one. Not to worry, I've never been shy about whipping up my own ideas [:)]

Megatron would be a cool idea, but Galvatron kicked his arse. Come on, Leonard Nimoy did his voice in the movie.

Damn, I'd love to enter this one, high poly stuff is my favourite! Unfortunately I just signed up with a mod team, so I won't have much time left to do anything. Oh well, maybe in the next one.

Good luck guys, and congradulations to everyone who finished the last low poly challenge. Some good entries there!

When you say humanoid are you implying a bipedal model with two arms?

Just like too know what kinda boundaries for humanoid model there are.

I would like to do a model that I have started and have the concept for but, wish to remake. the face and a bit of the torso are the only parts I have but, this is of no use because I wish to start the character again (and will be anyway, but would like to do it for the comp) The main reason I want to do it is because I Love the charcters concept and he fits the comp well And I want something to push me into to finshing it. Also any advanage I may get will be countered by the fact that I'm starting late because I have been doing the polycount comp and it will be finshing in the next few days and I have just about finsh my model for it.

You know the character the one from the short flim we started.

Also from what I have seen so far most of you need to have the death line a little later, but 16 days it right by me to get the base model for the comp but another 2 weeks would be helpful.

Could you get back to me before this sunday when I will be getting over the firday and saturday by doing some art :)

yeah i have no probs extending it 2 weeks, especially if it means an extra entry. ill change it now.

EXTENDED 2 WEEKS: 3RD DECEMBER

thanks man, I can't wait to get back into it. I will have some thing to show at the end of the weekend, sunday night :). can't wait I have been get ref for this character for about 3 months now, it will be good to make a start on him :)

Deadline is in two days!!!

Shit, as much as I'd like to, I won't get mine done.. Work wants me to come in during the day :(, so even going into crunch mode won't see things done.

ummm crap...same.

somethings have come up so i havent even sat down to look at anything for a while.

what a bummer.

How could Galvatron kick Megatron's ass? Galvatron is an evolved version of Megatron.

Anyway - why not extend the deadline if everyone is struggling to meet. Mutual consent and all that.

I stand by my statement. Galvatron tha man.... er robot.

A deadline extension would be great. Three people quit work in the space of three weeks. I have been working a fair bit more and have not had time to scratch myself, let alone working on my character :(

Otherwise I will just finish her in my own time and wait for the next comp. Hopefully time will be a bit better by then.

So what's the plan for this challenge? Do we call it off, or extend it some more? I'm hoping to start the next modeller challenge mid January, so if you extend it, don't overlap that challenge please [:)]

I personally don't mind either way, but it would probably make more sense to call it off and let people work on it in their own time. I just think that it came at a bad time of the year. Any school students have a lot on their plates and anyone who works in the industry is busy with Christmas/New Year deadlines.

Start clean next year. Start the year off with a low poly challenge while deiscussing ideas for a high poly comp. Once the low poly one ends, the high poly is ready to take over, and just keep rotating. Just my thoughts though.

yeah ok. call it off.
i have other things going myself so even if extended im out....

everyone wins!. well done all :)

Ok this is just an idea that will probably be shot down in flames as it would be a bit of a task to do but? here it is anyway.

The idea.
Create a small collection (3 or 4 models) of RTS style models ie low poly count small textures etc. You would have to create an infantry unit a basic vehicle, a heavy vehicle, and a flying unit.
But the idea being that we pick a common setting/theme and divide the factions amongst us.

The thing that I think could be cool with this is that at the end we would have collection of basic models that could be turned by some of our coders (it they are keen) into a simple RTS.

Just thought I?d put it out there.

Pantmonger

that sounds good pants i rekon we need a new variety instead of just characters...

another suggestion is do a high poly theme for in game cinematics [:)] (for all the high poly gurus out there [:)])

Lets increase our skill set by doing a hi-res to low-res normal mapped character. This will become very important skill to have, From the games that irrational are looking into the future to do, hi-res to Low-res normal mapping is one of the main art upgrade which is a common idea for all of them.

PIRATES!!!

....Space Pirates...

space pirates which eat cheez

Malus, can you check your email please.

I'd like to see more freedom in this comp.. I felt the last one was kinda restricted by the medieval setting. But thats just me..

I like pants idea

What about an environment, a change from characters........?

environment... meh.. thats more in the realm of design, but yeah, it could be interesting to come up with a bunch of level objects and place them in a scene.. This type of thing would be more suited at a level design comp.

Characters are generally the most complex things you'll encounter in game art.. I think sticking with them is the way to go.

well, today i started my next spare time project, the environment of a 'fighting game level', target is <5000 triangles and 1024x1024 texture space.... just needed to pad out my portfolio with an environment piece

like the RTS units idea though. 6 units, total of 2000 triangles, total of 512x512 texture....?

Sorcerer bob: Medieval setting? it was medieval/fantasy.

Thats everything except Sci fi lol.

Probably a good idea to make it more open, like the topic example Makk used above pirates, they can be anything from cyborgs to black beard to disneys Hook but they still have decent constraints.

hehehe looks like ill be suked in to do the next challenge again [:O] that is quite a kool idea that makk had.

quote:Originally posted by Malus


Probably a good idea to make it more open, like the topic example Makk used above pirates, they can be anything from cyborgs to black beard to disneys Hook but they still have decent constraints.

Malus: that was my point :), I left the fantasy out because I figured it was a given, in that we were dealing with demons.

I have a friend that wanted to join in the comp, but was turned away by the medieval/fantasy setting.

Pirates I think would be perfect, given the release of that new movie thats out.. Whats it called.. Tomb raider 2 (bwahah - yeah i kid - and yeah, not funny), depending on what kind of timeline we set, we can probably get more coverage for ourselves. (from fanboys searching for 'pirate models' through google maybe?)

Just a thought.

I think we should steer away from a character based challenge this time unless it's something light-hearted. All challenges have been character based so far and most of them fantasy based.

I like that RTS idea -- choose your own theme, though. Will allow for more interpretations.

Doords idea of doing something like normal mapping is great as well. For those of us that have always wanted to do it but haven't tried, this a prime opportunity.

To David Coen: Wouldn't a fighting game level have more than 5000 polys? I mean, the character counts for Playstation's Tekken 3 was 3000 polys per character. Doord has floated numbers in the 15000 range for characters in DOA3, so I wonder what the limits are for levels?

My idea for challenge is:

'Abandoned ruins' - build an environment within set poly/texture limit.

David Coen's idea for a 'fighting environment' would make for a good challenge as well. If we're still set on doing characters (coz they're fun!) then perhaps design a character that fits with it's environment and model it to suit console specs?. Probably harder than it looks. ie - Ken Masters SF2 background doesn't really fit him, although Guile's and Vega's do.

Someone (Doord I think) came up with the idea for the last challenge to design a level or character to fit in with an existing universe of an already released franchise/title.

Quite a good idea really.

Contestants would provide 2 images for reference to allow judges to see how their work fits in well.

Then they would model and texture in that style, after providing a concept.

Perhaps we could be limited to 5-10 game series to choose from so we dont get 'super happy go now japan obscurity title + alpha.'

Or even a variation on the ideas - a pirate ship (again, space through carribbean/disney), a pirate and an environment asset (eg the blind legless seadog tavern or the yet-to-be-constructed microsoft death star ;-)

On the coders-using-models idea, random terrain/map generation and rendering has to be one of the most popular hobby projects among programmers - could combine nicely with the modeller challenge if you guys would be willing to allow sumea coders to use the models.

How about this for something different: Sumeans pick a partner to do their challenge with. Duties for whatever the challenge are split between them in a set way or decide for themselves?

Encourages teamwork as well as responsibility. If one team member slacks off, well -- it's a call for the other team member whether they want to pick up their teammates ass.

I find the idea of collaboration with others interesting. I'm not sure how all dev houses work but as I understand it, some places have division of labour on the assets.

That would be cool Jonathen, definately an interesting twist on the comp

I think Jonathen's idea about the partners could be cool. But what happens to people who dont get picked??
Maybe make it random say there is 2 pools, 1 for the modeller and 1 for the skinner. then just pick one out of each.
Plus this way, I'll be able to enter since I can only concept/texture :D

I saw something interesting on a forum ages ago, i think it was a mapping forum.

One level designer would make 1 room. They would then pass the room onto the next in the list who would add a room (without modifying the original). This continued for about 12 people. It was interesting to see whether people conformed and built upon what was already there, or just went their own way. I remember it being a very interesting level.

I'm not sure this applies to a challenge. It was however very cool because peoples' talents were all going into the same product.

Maybe each entry for the comp should be a response to a sequence of stimulai.

I dunno. Maybe i've got someone thinking =D
Cheers

Hey I'll try and get an entry in no matter what the topic (it all practise right) Pirates sounds pretty cool, I'd be up for that.

Stu

quote:Originally posted by Doord

Should Challenge #5 start the ball rolling now so that the Challenge will up in about 4 weeks, not 8 weeks??

The reason I prefer long breaks inbetween challenges is that it gives those who took part in the last challenge a bit of a breather before heading right back into it again. I wouldn't want you guys to burn out! Ultimately, it is up to you guys when you want the next one, but I think a bit of a break inbetween challenges is a good thing. It'll also build up anticipation as well, and having challenges so far apart makes them an event, rather than an activity. The thing I would hate for people to do is say "I'll give this current challenge a miss, the next one is right around the corner".

quote:Originally posted by Makk

I think Jonathen's idea about the partners could be cool. But what happens to people who dont get picked??

Perhaps the option to work as a team could be the option. More creative control by yourself, but also more work to do, hence a tougher deadline. So entrants have the choice, but it's not mandatory.

Alternatively, we could put all contestants into a hat and souri can randomly draw out the pairs although I think it'd be best if people do the choosing themselves.

quote:Originally posted by Souri

The reason I prefer long breaks inbetween challenges is that it gives those who took part in the last challenge a bit of a breather before heading right back into it again. I wouldn't want you guys to burn out! Ultimately, it is up to you guys when you want the next one, but I think a bit of a break inbetween challenges is a good thing. It'll also build up anticipation as well, and having challenges so far apart makes them an event, rather than an activity. The thing I would hate for people to do is say "I'll give this current challenge a miss, the next one is right around the corner".

yeah sounds like the way to do things, I was just thinking that if we started talk about it now, we could come up with a cool idea that everyone would love to do and get more people again. Also I like to see what people want to do, you can start to tell what the people here at Sumea are into and what type of art they enjoy.

Also I'm not sure what other games developers do, but here at irrational, we have only really the two areas of art, asset builder, asset animator. I'm not sure what other studios do, would be nice to know.

But at the AIE tell you they have different modellers to textures, and I haven't seen it done. I know it isn't done but the contract studio working for irrational also.

i just made another thread about this... the idea of having a team project challenge
([url="http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=968"]Link[/url])

quote:Originally posted by Makk

I think Jonathen's idea about the partners could be cool. But what happens to people who dont get picked??

We've talked about partnering up (two artists in each team) in previous challenge discussions, and what I mentioned then was that by partnering up with someone, you essentially halve the amount of entries for the challenge. It would be good if we'd have at least 10 entries for something like that, and that would of course require 20 participants who will finish their entries - something we haven't been able to reach yet. Also worth noting is that if one person fails to complete their work, it'll mean two people are out of the challenge.

i like smeg's 'pass the level' idea. it dosnt have to be a chalenge though, we could just set it up as a little side project type thing. it would be cool.

as for the teams, even if their are only say 5 final entries that wouldn't be too bad i dont think. though there are less final submissions there are still the same amount of contestants. and i think the teamwork part will be the biggest draw, and seeing what other teams can come up with.

as for the rts idea with several models - rts games are generally very low poly/simple models. just submitting four i don't think is very interesting. i would rather see a limit of between 4 to say 10, and we can make any amount between. this way it's more of a collection. also the poly limit should be for each unit, not the whole - in an rts game you can have a lot of units at one time, of the same or different types. perhaps set certain unit paramiters (eg. infltry XX tirs, light units XY tris, heavy units XZ tris) and you mush have at least one of each, and no more than 2 of each, or something (maybe once you've done two of each you can fill the rest of the unit limit with whatever, but only 1 more of each type - basicaly to stop people onlymaking heavy units, or whatever has the higest poly count avaliable).

and that's all i can think of at this time[:)]

so much for showing your progress from start to finish on the forum.
but glad to see another entry :)

nice job as well. good luck.

Yeah, there sure are alot of entries.
I like the idea of this one, but the execution of it could have been better. Adding sharper highlights, smoother shading and subtle texture overlays to your metals would help.
I like the money shot though :)

Should've posted those pics without the gui and toolbars, and use the space so we can see a closer look at your work [;)] Anyway, just posting this so your thread jumps on top.. You're Modeller Challenger #1.

Here is my current wip, i should be finished modelling in a day or two, i may add minor spikes/horns or may not depending on how much it will affect the sexy look.[img]http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~icespike/pics/Shad%27zir%20wip.jpg[/img]

Looking good, welcome aboard.
favourite question time: Want to post some wires?

Nice start. I like the concept
Maybe the breasts look a little low? Also for some reason, I think the purple skin on the model actually looks better. Gives her a less human look.
Keep it up
Malus: How do you render wireframes? I can only just take pics in user mode

Looking good! The concept looks kinda like a mermaid gone evil, but I think that tail will be more snake-like when you model it.

www.snotmonster.com has a great edgemap plugin for max. I saw something I think Doord posted a while back about cloning the mesh and converting it to a shape, pushing it out and making the edges renderable, but a screenshot of the wires would be enough.

That is looking quite nice [:)] cant wait to see it finished !!!

wow. Like makk said, i like that purple skin...

Model and concept look really cool.

Thanks for the comments and i'll keep the purple skin in mind, and will definitely make two versions of skin colour and see which one i like best, i like the shading effect too [^], I've finished modelling and will be mapping over the next few days. I've managed to squeeze every drop of polygon goodness out of the limit so she's 3500 triangles.
Default lighting
[img]http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~icespike/pics/Completed%20Shaded.jpg[/img]
Shaded wires
[img]http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~icespike/pics/Completed%20wires.jpg[/img]

I might up the height of the breasts but it could look low because of the missing arms, i did use some.....ahem reference.[:D]

I'm no polygon-master but it looks like you've got a lot of polys in the stomach and waist area that could be put to better use. Why model the abdominal group when it could be textured instead? Maybe those polys could be put on the brassiere and jewellery adornments?

I also used a bit of subdivision to get the basic shape happening on my model and it does waste a few polys. You just really need to collapse and weld wherever necessary

yeah looks like a demonic overlord to me :)
reminds me of the doom guard out of warcraft3.

[img]http://a.1asphost.com/animal/texture.jpg[/img]
[img]http://a.1asphost.com/animal/uvmapping.jpg[/img]
[img]http://a.1asphost.com/animal/wires.jpg[/img]
[img]http://a.1asphost.com/animal/graphics.jpg[/img]

my internet has gone down so i had to upload these at a friends house, if i don't have everything needed i can probably have it up mid next week. i just hope i got enough to be entered, i mean i could even check what it needed, just tried to remember. this competiton gives me bad luck, i tried to enter the second round but my computer died about 4 days out from deadline and i didn't manage to get finished in time, any way i hope i got in this time.
chow

just need the money shot i think.

Those alpha's around the hair could do with a bit of tidying up... otherwise, he's pretty cool! [:)]

It's probably better to have a money shot for the judges to look at when they vote (if you have one, post it quick!).. Nevertheless, you're challenger #4 [:)]

perhaps the head looks a bit small?? not sure something a little offputting about it

other than that its looking great

Thanks Shard, his head is perhaps a bit small, I just wanted to make him look as beefy as possible. :) Also, the high detail in the head compared to the rest of the body can be a bit hard to look at (stands out).

I was going for the "Holy War/Crusade" theme with the armour:
[img]http://users.bigpond.net.au/xander/images/wip/ben_dogma.jpg[/img]

dogma! w00t

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/7_concept00.jpg[/img]

this was the alternative design i had been working on.....

ahh, Aziabel, the great sprit who appears as a little child, a Grand Duke of the Infernal Empire (sic. Faust)

very interesting concept, good luck :)

Hey Kutna Hora!! I've been there!!
Its an amazing place, creepy but amazing, I also went to an Ossuary in Rome, full of dead mummified Cappucino Monks!? Cooooool.

I really like this concept David, especially the first one, the hands on his head are great and that loin cloth, ooh...ahhh.
So thats what my demon would give birth too hey. [:P]

Please, please I implore you, make this one shine.

i love the first concept dave that will really work out well [:)] good to see u enter in the challenge too [:)]

thanks Malus/ Ninja/ Sorceror Bob.

as i said, the aim of this is texture practice, getting tablet tomorrow....

Malus, i will try to make it shine, but as always there are other things demanding my time, right now it is the final push to get all the game artwork for my main contract done...

will spend a little more time playing with the concept, but the first one is getting pretty close... the four arms would be fun in a game, but i don't think i could get them to look as good as a classical humanoid model (that sort of scale surface eats up a lot of surface space)....

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/7_azia_prev00.jpg[/img]

that 2nd concept...do it up hipoly and submit it to the cgtalk challenge going at the moment :)

its going well

Well now, don?t you have a morbid baby fetish. [V]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/7_azia_prev01.jpg[/img]
wow, half a day so far on the textures, getting use to my new wacom tablet. sure beat the hell out of left handed mouse drawing....

@goodgod, well, i guess i could have done the usuall bull man with horns, but that didn't interest me that much... to me hell would be more phycologically deranged....

wow. cool.

Yeah, well I guess you're right about the deranged baby. It is scary, and your textures are looking good. I was just joking about the baby fetish. I know that?s not all you do.[;)][;)]

Trying out geodisic modelling Dave?
Still prefer the emaciatted look of the first concept, this looks a little fat in comparison, also whats happening with the flags? especially the bottom left corner.

The skulls on the flags are blocky too, maybe just take 1 or 2 out and add there polys betwen the others?

Textures looking good so far, looking forward to seeing those runes on his belly.

Looking pretty cool. Those skulls look a little repetitive, perhaps modify the uv mapping a bit to make them look a little less regular.

Nice work man.
I like the mini skulls you have textured, they are done well.
However the black bit under the chin is a bit too black.
Usually the darker the area on a skin tone, the stronger the saturation will be. I did a very quick paintover to show you.
[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~rowanfamily/paint.jpg[/img]
Here I chose a deep brown (based on the general tone of the face) and just painted over some of the black parts. I also increased the highlight of the eye to pop it out a bit more.
I hope this is of some help [:)]

thanks for the comments

pic updated.... going to need to catch up with some real work for a few days now though....

thanks makk, hadn't noticed that....

malus, yeap, you got me, for the last 700+ models or so i have been "Trying out geodisic modelling"....

looking very nice man! huge improvement !

what sort of wacom did u get?

Whats geodisic modeling Malus?

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/7_azia_prev06.jpg[/img]

@Idaho wacom intuos2 6x8... didn't get it the cheapest, but the most convienient.

@shadow panda, geodisic (according to me) is a mathematical definition reffering to geting the shortest possible straight line segments to represent a curved surface. i would describe my modeling as vertex by vertex, and i use a few topographical aspects of geodesic structures to help this process.... (as it gives the lowest breaking angle between the same number of triangles than any other form of modelling)

_edit, pic updated

PHwooooar that cloth looks awesome man !!!! its looking nice dave [:)]

Love that cloth... very nice. Not sure how it would look in-game if it went through different lighting environments, but I love it!

his lighting on that pik is not that intense so it should come up ok in a game environment. Man imagine using HDRI on that baby for the money shot the skin will come up so nicely !!!!

Those eyes are freaking me out, but that's good I think [:)]. How did you get the cloth patterning to deform well over the creases, did you paint directly over the creases or create a flat pattern and then liquify it or something? Good work, that area and the face looks very sharp for a 512 tex.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/7_c4_money_00L.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/7_c4_views_00L.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/7_c4_textureflat_00.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/7_c4_textureuv_00.jpg[/img]

well, i think i disqualified myself. there was no way i was going to get the tattoo on the flag into the creaces by hand so i used photoshop's 'displace' filter, which to my reading of the rules it a 'no no'... but anyway, here is Aziabel, Grand Duke of the Infernal Empire, 3500 triangles, 512x512 texture. I don't think it is finished, after putting so much work into the flag texture all the other textures look unfinished, so might leave it for a few days....

_edit, spelling

Why do you think that the use of a displacment filter would be a no no.

quote:
3500 polygons (tris)
1 x 512 or 4 x 256 texture sheet(s)
alpha map allowed.
no photosourcing, no cannabalism, no fan art models.

Thats was the only list of tech limits I knew of, did someone tack one on when I was not watching.

Pantmonger

Filters are fine, just no photosourcing.
Don't know were you got that idea man, your fine to go. [:)]

Looks good David especially the texture on the flag and the burn, still would have liked to see it closer to your original concept and those feet just look tacked on but overall very cool.

Even if you used a photo for the displacement map, I doubt it matters. It rocks, I have to try that technique.

The only thing that bugs me about it is the sword. To me it looks like it's shiethed in clear acrylic.

oh, though that _ALL_ the textures had to be hand drawn as was worried about using filters (the displacemnt map for the flag is the greyscale of the flag, hand drawn....)

Hey dave that is looking great man came up nice on GI... although the skin seems very flat i rekon dirty it up or put skin blotches on it ot more baby flab creases. I know your not finished texturing it im pretty sure it will come up great. Also i rekon the foot seems too puffy [:)]

...so that means we can use lens flares and difference clouds?
>:)

quote:Originally posted by smeg

...so that means we can use lens flares and difference clouds?
>:)

Come here so that I may kill you. :P
But seriously there are uses for difference clouds, (eg, mottle colours and hues for human skin. Use the clouds with differing colours and overlay)

Sorry for the off topic
Pantmonger

Quite cool looking concept although some proportional issues in the drawing (I'm a proportions Nazi)are evident. Either his biceps are too large, or his shoulders are too small. The pecs don't quite look right either - as the inner chest is very 'ripped' but the outer parts of the pectorals are very flabby. If you want it to look flabby, you should lose the definition in the middle of the chest.

I like the codpiece and the twin bladed lance/scepter.

Very nice shading. Any tips?

very nice man, really like your style. i?m particularly fond of his crazy eyes
the only thing i can say it that the head of the axe/spear doesn?t look to be at the same perspective as the rest of the weapon, you need to be a bit careful of that:)

keep up the good work mate

Nice concept J.I [:)] i love the twin bladed axe its very kool....[8)]

JonathanKerr: hehe, maybe not a proportions nazi... more of an avid proportions zealot ;)

You're absolutely right - his biceps are elongated and bulbous where there should be an inner indentation where the muscle wraps around and the cartledge starts too. There's many problems but I figure I've spent all the time I want to just to get his base idea across :) Call me lazy; I may fix him up in time for his final.

Ninja: Danke - although I got kind of fond of his original weapon *snicker* (sorry, bit of an in-joke there for those who know [;)] )

Piss_Poor: yah, it's sadly glaringly obvious - perspective and volumes have always been my weak points in 2D... I originally wanted the shaft to taper in and have the knobbed end (that sounds rather phallic), but the angle of his arm and hand and his shouldering it meant that I was also pushing it back which I obviously didn't compensate for in the blade [xx(]

Enough excuses! Back to work!!

Hey Styles, glad your entering the comp.
Interesting design. He looks crazy and unpredictable, good stuff.
Although I must admit, he looks to me like he is wearing a nappie (not the leather strap part). I dunno, maybe its just the way you shaded it or the colours or becuase its 2D.
Did you say you will including a throne as a part of the limit, does this mean with the 512 texture sheet, if so that would be quite a challenge :)
looking forward to seeing it finished.

Joel, next time you want to get perspective on a weapon, use max to do it.. Then photoshop it in.

Yeah!! A fatty! Woohoo love the fat guys. [:P]
Good to see you enter, can't wait to see him unfold.

Sorcerer Bob: Thats a cool work around but it doesn't actively help you get better at perspective.

True Malus, but I think it can be helpful if you're looking for confirmation that you've done it right.

Good point.

Can't wait to see this model.

I love your stuff Mr Styles.

The weapon looks like it has some influence Quakewise

The skull on he's loin looks concerned don't ya think[:D]

Ooow gross, get it away from me.[}:)]

I like the style of your painting, I also think that it has some quake-like qualities which definately is not a bad thing :P

Just a little text update, no images just yet - I've finally gotten to modelling, around half way done.

Finally! The jolly fat demon shall at last be born from poly and vert!

I'm not lazy... well, ok I am a little... but I'm also busy [;)] I've promised myself I'll get him done though [:)]

Alas, I am just seeing a red x. Will come back later and see what you got.

Enough excuses! Get back to work!!

Well I've been beavering away, getting him done...

Model work in progress:
[img]http://www.uploadit.org/files/200903-sumea_challenge_demon_model.jpg[/i…]

good start.
his chest is off- too much firmness there for a fat guy.
and even if it was muscle is wrong as well.

but its still wip so im sure you know what your doing :)

keep it up :)

you're right about the chest - I flabbed it up a little more and added some more sag to it - modelling finished, he's unwrapped, and texturing started.

Thats going to be a hard one to beat Joel....damn you! [:P]
Seriously, great job.

can we see that update?

danke Malus! I doubt I can compete with your entry - great design, good "spice" to give it that cool factor in its uniqueness - plus it's got breasts! How can I compete?! [:D]

inglis: planning an update tonight

lol, I think yours is a much better design than my one, can't comment on the construction because you got no wires, I'm feeble and need wires. [:P]

Looks great so far J.I, can we see a wire? I kinda prefer the fingers/claws in your concept, much more defined, less tapered. But I'm diggin the arms and legs especially.

I think the hands could be beefed up.. fingers could be thicker and with more definition.

Good going though

yup, playing around with the hands atm - just merging the weapon and it's tex coords into it so I can have his weapon in the specs with him - texture base nearly done, then it's down to detailing and making refinements to add realism like age spots, scarring, motley skin variations, etc

For that special oomph, should be very lord-like in the final with my special little spicey thang I'm planning [;)]

waiting to see JIStyles' spicey thang (so how is the weapon going?), but anyhoo,

biomechanics would have the arms/ legs getting longer as there are less digits on them.... FYI

my thoughts? any thoughts on making the head a bit smaller or moving the knees up or elbos down a bit? Quite liked the spindly metal clothing supports in the concept by the way....

welllll...

lookit that! He finally updated, the lazy git...

[img]http://www.uploadit.org/files/240903-sumea_demon_wip02.jpg[/img]

First texture pass - just getting in tones and colours, a lot of parts have only got flat colours and and base shading still.

so I haven't even touched lower arms/hands, horns/nails/toenails, skull string, "modesty flaps", shoulder brace, majority of the weapon.

Stuff you can't see is the little localised details - stringy saliva in the jaws and spittle coming off the tongue, remains of hair on the skull etc - hard to see in a still, but pops out in motion quite nicely - guess I'm just a sucker for this kind of little detail [:)]

Ooooooooo...ahhhhhhhhh...weeeeee...haaaa.
Looking good, number 1 so far.

daaaaaaaamn man !!! those textures are awesome !!! but i have to agree with jacobt though about the fingers cause the fingers on him now is skinny [:)] from the concept they look a little thicker and will pretty much suit the model... apart from that u have absolutely got it down exactly like the concept.....

great job as usual joel u always impress me with the way you texture. Very well done.

chris... [:)]

The fat rolls in the stomach look superb, but the chest is still anatomically incorrect. How can you have 'ripped' inner muscles in the centre of the chest but have saggy drooping areas in the lower part of the breast?

It's a very nice concept and great texture work, although it's a little bland for my tastes. On the plus side, it's also one of the best conversions of concept to 3d model.

BTW - where is the promised regalia? The costume is a bit simplistic.

Sorry if this sounds negative, not intended this way -- it's an excellent piece of work. It sounds like you weren't able to spend as much time on it as you wished.

Ooops - just re-read and realised that some extra texture work is still to be done. Apologies.

Not bad - the proportions are a little off. Beef up the arms a wee bit, particularly in the bicep area.

It looks a bit like a polar bear (I think that may be due to the lightness of the scan), which I think would be a great idea for a demon. A hell which is cold - not hot. The old 'when hell freezes over' adage thrown out the window.

Don't know what to suggest really, but you need some sort of a motif or running theme throughout, there doesn't seem to be enough to the character. If it is a cold climate demon, then perhaps some sort of fur or viking style costume is needed.

Wow, there sure are a lot of entries!!
I like the idea of a wolf type character you have going here.
Suggestions would include losing the horns as I find they conflict abit with the wolfs head. Try keeping hi anatomy more wolf like as well (the legs for example) instead of humanish. I would beef up the anatomy a little too, giving him a bulky chest and arms. Maybe throw some dark fur (with stripes) and glowing eyes (glowing eyes = teh evilness!!!2# )into the mix as well.
Have you you ever played the game Black and White, they have great evil looking animals, you might want to check that out.

Thanks guys that really helps me out a bit.

I was deliberately keeping the arms slender but i guess thats not really the right way to go. I had experimented with human vs wolf hindlegs and found it really difficult to pull off the look that he is standing comfortably on hindlegs : As for the horns i think i'm going to keep those and give him some sort of slash marks across his skin and back area.

I will endeavor to update soon

I agree with Makk on the humanism issue of your concept, try deforming his shape, make it look more beast like, Hunched shoulders as if its not evolved to the degree that makes bipedal travel comfortable.

Also add some fur to areas of the body (shoulders, chest, forarms etc), that will help tie the body and head together and stop it from looking like the head is cut off an animal and pasted on a human.

quote:Originally posted by nealb4me

Thanks guys that really helps me out a bit.

I was deliberately keeping the arms slender but i guess thats not really the right way to go.

It'd be fine, look at some of the slender demons on display already (Makk's entry springs to mind). It's just that you'd need to adjust the size of the head accordingly.

Even something like a tail would work - I don't think many entries have a tail -- there's some good scope for ideas there.

The concept art kind of reminds me of that old show Biker Mice from Mars, but not, if you know what I mean. And also the concept has a lot of proportion problems, such as the head turned but the horns still look like they are face on.

Ok I finally got this scanned. This is my new concept which i will start in 3d soon, i think it is a lot better what say u? I imagine it to be fighting off a pack of wolves in the snow and throwing them in the air all crazy-like. I have decided to call it "Arctic Demon"

[img]http://nealb4me.customer.netspace.net.au/site/beast front.jpg[/img]

Nice work adjusting the concept. He's looking more beast like now. It's just personal preference, but I think those spike things on his hand would look better if they were more organic.. perhaps growing out of the skin. The chain and the metal look a little out of place.

this is a really cool sprite from ragnarok online (which i might add i know nothing about). You might find it useful.

[img]http://ragnarok.ogaming.com/content/images/gallery/albums/monsters/BIGF…]

here is the ragnarok image gallery. http://ragnarok.ogaming.com/content/images/gallery/
also http://iro.ragnarokonline.com/ -> features
some very nice work there.
cheers

i love the demon wolf/bear idea, it's very american indian.

yer it looks cool. but i think it needs more features amongst the stomack and neck area. maybe a few scars or scratches. he could be missin an eye from that time he scratched his nose.

Here we go, the first 3D shots. I noticed some weirdness with the edges not being exactly symetrical but it doesnt seem to affect the shading so it doesnt matter. I'm not used to low poly as much so go easy [:I] hehe

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Nice shape overall (the rear shots are kinda cool :))... your first sketch had some nice musculature happening, maybe try to model by the beast's anatomy instead of overall mass.

There seems to be a quite a bit of polygons wasted, with the arms in yer second drawing, you could get away with a couple of loops for the elbow and that's it. Chop out any polys that don't add to the silhouette or contour.

Keep at it, start by chopping out those unused edges and then update again [;)]

Are the edges coming out unsymmetrical at render or in your viewport?

Yer thanks for that. I used a gradient material to create the edged face look, using face mapping. Theres not really much control over how it does it.

I'm busy with the head atm so that will be availible for viewing soon.

Heres a bit of an update with textures so far. Tell me what u think.

I am planning to redo the fur and also the head/arms are not yet completed (texture). I was wondering also if i could get away with a separate 256x256 for the head and a 512x512 for the body?

Also the eyes are not yet demonic enough, what do you think I can do with them? I was thinking removed with blood running down its face.

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Yes you need more a stronger texture there for the fur, this one just looks like faint lines. Look at some pics of bear fur for an idea.
Well the rules say for one 512x512 texture sheet or 4 256x256 ones. Maybe use one 256 for the head and split the body into the other 3 texture sheets.
As for the eyes, well I think they are a little small firstly. Secondly the shape of the eye can give him more of a menacing expression. Adding those stripes of fur like on the second concept would help too.
Are those metal claws finished? the highlights on them look a little strange. It looks like you have painted the highlights the one colour, all the way around. The further down the spike the stronger the highlight would be, and at the top of the claw it wouldnt be as strong. Try adding a subtle texture overlay to the claw aswell.
I like dirt and discolouring of his fur, and the scars help too. good work there.
Hope this is of some help :)

I did a polar bear for sumea comp #3. If you like you can take a look at the fur texture I did for that. I used an offwhite for the base and burnt darker yellows over the top for the hair (along with a combination of some slight photosampling, which isn't allowed for this comp... but you can gain a bit of insight as to how the fur should look).

This is just my opinion I?m no authority on these things but I think splitting a 512 into 4 256 is a bad idea as with 4 smaller maps your uvws have to line up with more straight edges thus more wasted texture space in an organic model. With a single 512 you can interlock the textures more, jigsaw like and you only have half the area in straight lines to line up with.

To give that fur some depth and greater fur like qualities (I am assuming you are using Photoshop) make several layers use a drop shadow on each of these layers (just a little bit) and build up you fur layer by layer with darker fur at the bottom, lighter at the top. The drop shadow will add the depth.

Pantmonger

Hey here is my final entry, money shot and uv layout to come. Cheers for the comments guys they have helped me to reach this point. This is my first ever low poly character and I am quite pleased with the result, next time will be be twice as fast and twice as good :P I hope to have my site up soon so ya'll can check out my high poly stuff.

Pantmonger: I have gone with the single 512

ironikart: I had a look at your bear, I think u captured the fur really well however I wanted my character to be more dirty and scungy

Makk: I just gave him a bit of eye shadow to bring the eyes out more

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the claws came out well, but the poor guys look as if he hasent been fed in a long while, i tend to picture bears being a lot thicker.... and picking fur for a contest stipulating 'no photosourcing' is just machoistic, (i have only be able to 'draw' fur to date by using a scanner....)

something boring i tend to do on being asked to make 'animal based models' is to try and find some anotomical/ bone structure references to draw of any similar type creature to find out what the proportions could be like, otherwise 'people in rubber suit' desisease seems to infect the model....

so at the end of this comp, all the demond lords are going to fight?

Post that uv layout + money shot pic as soon as you can please! You're challenger #7.

Ok here it is in it's entirety, UV and money. Man that uv is embarrassing but anyway, hope u like and good luck to everyone, i've seen some very nice stuff so far.

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cool

your style is similar to the concept artist for the parasytic moon project www.parasyticmoon.com

looks cool, will be interesting to see how you de-manga-fy it in your model

LOL his style is 10x better than mine [:)] but thank u sorceror bob [:)]
Yeah it will be hard to de-manga-fy but ill try my best...

Very cool, I like the muted colours.
Glad you decided to join up man.

It would be an injustice if you didn't finish this for the challenge. That is one very nice looking concept [:)] Would be awesome if you modelled the proportions like that.

quote:Originally posted by Souri

It would be an injustice if you didn't finish this for the challenge. That is one very nice looking concept [:)] Would be awesome if you modelled the proportions like that.

I agree. The proportions work well (although the perspective of the hands is a wee bit off). There's plenty of realistic demons in this challenge, a manga one wouldn't go amiss. Besides, I think part of the challenge is how close you stick to your concept. ie - as Malus put it, if you draw a realistic demon and then put forth a 4 foot dwarf, you could lose some marks (potentially).

Nice colouring style.

I agree, keep it like the concept. It has a really cool feel to it.

hehe Thankx Dean, Souri & jonathon [:)] Ill start modelling during september..... right now me too busy [:(] im just putting in little bits of time on it....

I will model the proportions exactly the same.... i just wish i drew the add ons at the back of him to show the rest of the detail..... Dean do i loose points for that ??? if i didnt draw it in the concept ? or do u guys want a better visualization on how he is gonna look like in the back view ?

once again thankx.....

Chris... [:)]

Great concept, I really like the colours you chose.
Hope to see it modelled and textured :)

I doubt anyone would deduct points from you for that man.

Also the voting is based on more than one person so it would only be voted as a negative if that person thought you didn't adhere to your original concept, not just if I didn't. [:P]

Looking SWEEEEET! I really like your manga style Chris! I think you should stick with it and stay away from a realistic looking character. If it is modelled according to the concept, it is gonna look damn cool! Looking forward to it...

kool thank u dean [:)]

thankx makk....

War-head i would love to stik to the manga theme but unfortunately these days and for some weired reason i heard that a lot of games companies hate anime type of 3d models..... so im gonna try something a bit new but i wont stray from the actual concept.

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War-head i would love to stik to the manga theme but unfortunately these days and for some weired reason i heard that a lot of games companies hate anime type of 3d models..... so im gonna try something a bit new but i wont stray from the actual concept.

That might be true, but I think that's due to a whole glut of wanna-be manga artists floating around who can't do anything aside from manga. 1 manga style and modelled mesh probably wouldn't hurt - it would show an ability to create assets in something that is not just realistic. Think about all the cartoony games out there - there are certain principles crossing over between them. Things like exaggerated size & proportions and facial feature expressions are similar in any style of cartoon rendering.

I do wonder if companys apathy towards manga style is limited to the Western companies. There's something about western manga that doesn't quite have the same vibe or look. I don't claim to be any expert on Japanese anime (although I've watched a few in my time) but I've yet to see a western company do a good take on Japanimation. Bungie did Oni - but even that wasn't quite 'right'. But don't let that put you off - it was more of an observation than anything else.

If you could render a model the way you've coloured your concept, I'd be pretty impressed. I'd like to see a watercolour style of textures. Even though there's a few anatomical issues with your concept, I think the colours give it a lot of 'flavour' and your own feel.

well jonathon u guys know my style as you would have seen in sumea challenge #3 and i have heaps of models that are in manga style...(which u will see on my coming website). So i think it is time for me to go for different flavours cause i am one of those wanna-be manga artists who had been doing manga all their life [:)]

and yes i can paint it exactly the way ive painted it on the concept but like i said i will try a realistic look for a change [:)] which i doubt he'll be changing much of his appearance.

thankx for the crits on me concept [:)] i know he does have heaps of anatomical issues and i will work on it on the model [:)]

WoW!@#! Ninja, I had no idea you were such a talented 2d artist. That concept blows me away, I really like it. Even though it's in a manga style, your colouring method is still quite original.

With the addition of wings, he should look demonic enough. I hope you texture him in a simlar method. It would be great to have the same dreamlike quality in the final render.

Good luck with it.

quote:Originally posted by Ionized

WoW!@#! Ninja, I had no idea you were such a talented 2d artist. That concept blows me away, I really like it. Even though it's in a manga style, your colouring method is still quite original.

With the addition of wings, he should look demonic enough. I hope you texture him in a simlar method. It would be great to have the same dreamlike quality in the final render.

Good luck with it.

I agree. I'm trying to work out what it is that gives it that dreamy 'surreal' quality. I think that it's that there are no black outlines, most of the outlines are the colour of the inside colour - almost like an overlay.

Did you mostly use the airbrush tool for this? It would be good to see the texture the same way. I once saw an 'elven samurai' on either polycount or cgtalk and the pastel coloured texture just blew me away.

Actually that is my first experiment with the wacom tablet i bought as u can see im still a noobie with those improper brush strokes [:(] i used a lot of the smudge tool, burn and dodge.

Now the trick is using a softlight layer effect and a mix of colours that compliments its base colours. It is important to mix colours or else the image is flat. For the finally i added the luminance glow effect to have that hazy luminace glow feel on the specular highlights.

BTW : thankx ionized [:)]

blinks, interesting method, particularraliy if it gets you something that looks as good as your concept.

have been moving towards painting as much as possible on the same layer to try and get some more control over what things look like... (though still use and abuse the smudge tool and hard edge erasers)

so, do you think you are going to have time to model it?

DSC

thankx dave....[:)] i will get time to model it hopefully ill start soon...

Chris...[:)]

Hey Chris, If you haven't started the model yet, here's a quote that I found RE:'manga style characters'...

"I would love nothing more than to create an entire game filled with anime and manga characters. A consistent, stylized (yet realistic) universe that has 3D characters built and animated in this style would make people's jaws drop. The challenge of making characters that would consistently fit that sort of style would also test the mettle of any 3D artist."

-Paul Steed (a man who knows his shit when it comes to 3D character modelling), Modeling A Character In 3DS Max

Well... Hope that gives you something to think about!

hehe i would love that too warhead [:)] exactly the same vision as Paul Steed (he rawks). Ill think about it but its all down to texturing ill see if i can do one manga shaded (my style [:)]) and try for a realistic texture shade. Im still quite crap at texturing and i got a long way to go.

thank u

chris...[:)]

Hi guys [8D]

i managed to find some time this weekend to model and unwrap[:0] i pretty much broke my ballz to do it... Oh by the way unfortuantely i cant do any more to the model cause i dun have anymore time to waste on it and i think ive optimised it enough. But i would love feedbacks and heavy crits [:)] im pretty sure someone will spot flaws, that i have missed. Also take note that some proportions to the concept have changed like the thick arms and hands. But everything still remains the same along with the additional wings and parts of the huge vertabraes exposing on his back...

chris.... [:)]

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yeah! thats nice. I dig the big weapons and stylish armour.
Now, are you going to make him "dark" with the texture?

You sure can do those anime style models. Looks great, very dynamic and lots of character.

Pantmonger

Great stuff Chris, can we get a close up of the head?

thankx guys. ill upload the head snapshots tonite.

Nice work man! However, the feet seem a little out of proportion with the rest of the model. They look a lot bigger in the concept, which I think suits the exaggerated style of the character. Other than that, looking sweet!

This is looking great. I'm looking forward to seeing this one textured [:)]

As requested Dean here is the head snapshots. Dunno if its big enough though[xx(]. But i had a choice of either facial animation or detail and i went for detail for this poly limit because i dun want my model to be blocky and the detail is the most important... anyways here it is...

[img]http://www.members.optushome.com.au/cconcepcion/wip/wip_4sumea4.jpg[/img]

great job. looking forward to texture as well :)

Looking great Ninja

very stylised, in your usual strong and confident way. Although I have to agree with Cheryl about how this could've been a very good opportunity to break from that mold to experiment with a bit of diversity in your design, I also think it's a very unique piece unto itself which carries over into the character well.

In terms of crits, it seems to lack an imposing presence I would personally associate with a lord/big bad guy/badass; seems to lend itself more to the upstanding Korean hero type [:)]

Only other thing would be the mesh cuts, especially in the face area - it's looking "pulled" instead of conforming to the surface curvature - it's not just a poly wastage problem, as it can also affect bad vertex lighting, and form so be wary of that. Otherwise, fantastic job :)

looks pretty cool. Which one are you going to model? the parasite looking creature or the tranformed human or both? It would be good if you did both

I really like that shaded version!

Maybe try to stick to the challenge outline a bit more and add something to make it more regal.

We are getting some unique ideas for this challenge which is really good.
But don't forget its meant to be a Demonic Overlord, I hope you can bring that out in the final piece.

Well I?m going to model the smooth looking one but it?ll be part of the final entry in to this challenge. I am doing year 12 right now so I wont be able to put too much time in to it. It will be demonic, you'll see.

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~alma_asher/mypic2.jpg[/img]
This is just a sketch of what the final model may look like. Tell me what you think.

"Demonic Overlord? Damnit, I thought it was darklord..." *deletes max file*

I really like the idea of that fish bug inside somebody. I'll be interested to see how the idea pans out.

Good work.

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I modeled this today. I made the arms a little longer. hope you like it

looking sweet dude, your concept and model are spot on. pitty with games thats not always the best thing... In the fact that it looks like you have a heap of polies in a few areas where you can take them out. if this was your only model you would be fine but you still have to make your dude that the little bugger goes in. and something to make him look scary you know.. weapons.. etc..

while I was looking at your dude I thought it would be cool if you made the "host" or main body Transparent like a final fantasy "the Movie" ghost look. you could also put in some polies inside the body and use them to draw vains.

keep up the good work.

Love the design :)
Although going by the concepts Im not sure if it will fit the demonic overlord theme. But that could change once its textured.

I unwrapped this days ago, but haven?t had the time to add it.
[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~alma_asher/mypic5.jpg[/img]

This is more concept I did so I can get a better idea of what the demon is going to look like.
[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~alma_asher/mypic4.jpg[/img]
please tell me what you think.

i forget the word for it from advertising, but there is the concept of after working on something for a while, to take a new peice of paper and just going crazy with the design to see if you can find some way of improving it. I look at this and wonder what it would be like if the bug was more dominant in the humanoid... ie. things like the tenticles coming out the ears or the tail and mass of the bug causing the torso and spine to arch out dramatically... or the humanoid hands now being useless and the tenticles have to do all the work.....

UniqueSnowFlake
So far the bug is only about 1600 faces, and personally I think that I?ve done a good job sharing the faces out evenly. As you should be able to tell by the concept art that I would not use the hole bug mesh but the eye and the tail only. The vanes idea is good but it just wouldn't work for the demon guy, but I do have some similar ideas for the bug like glowing arms. That?s why the vanes are glowing in the concept art.

That?s for the feedback.

Makk
Thanks for the complement, and yeah, I?m trying to make it as demonic as possible.

Dabidcoen
I just think that tentacles coming from his ears And all that other stuff that you suggested would be completely useless, and would not fit the character of the bug.

Even if it is useless, feedback is feedback, so thanks.

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~alma_asher/mypic7.jpg[/img]
This is the big bad demon but it's not my entry in to this comp.

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~alma_asher/mypic6.jpg[/img]
This is the model that I?m submitting in the comp.

I finished modeling and texturing both these models more then a week ago but I?ve been too busy this week to do anything else towards on the comp. Thank you for your time.

I'm going to let you in as challenger #6, but because you didn't post the required shots, it may affect how the judges vote on it!

damn that is looking nice.... awesome concept too i love the face [:)] diablo inspired.......!!!! lots of detail too [:D]

thank ninja
but I never played diablo.I didn't reference, I was just doodleing. It is what in my mind I picture a demon looking like, I guess.

hehe sorry i didnt mean to sound like u copied diablo [:)] i meant it is a good quick sketch on the wacom [:)] cant wait to see his full proportion [:)]

Cool. I really like that concept. The face is looking very sweet.

Looking forward to seeing more =D

I put the muscle structure on the texture to use as reference when I add shading. he is 3131 polys so far so i can still add a bit of detail or maybe give him a weapon.
[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/silverchocobo/fullbody_update.jpg[/img]

looking good nice design and model,i particularly like the heroic stance he has been modelled in.
could we see some wires next time to get a better look at it:)

model the groin!!

its looking pretty good, I think the mesh could use some more definition in regards to muscles etc (defined abs for example). Maybe you could post some wires so we can see where the polies are?

Nice solid model though.

that is looking quite nice but im concerned about some parts of the proportion [:)] like arms are a little short..... also his arse can be defined more its too small.... Dunno hes a demon it can take any form, size, and shape [:)] but man that is looking awesome so far........ keep up the good work [:D]

I think the arms are fine, the general rule for a humanoid, is that the hands should be about one hands length from the knee - they look a little off because they are so beefy

Hehe, for some reason i really like it with those muscles drawn on =D

Looks cool man (but he needs more of an arse).

cheers

The arms seem correct but the ass does need some padding, even if its stylised, its a major muscle group for his leg movements and needs more bulk to get power.

I would also clean up the face, you have too many polys that aren't defining any shape, especially around the nose.

Awesome concept though, I really like the profile shots in the top right corner of the first image.

I would use some polys from the excess in the face to define more muscle shape but the abs can be done effectively with a texture, I wouldn't use geometry.

Nice start, look forward to seeing this one completed.

I think that face has the most character and professional look out of all the entries so far and a body that fits perfectly but.. nothing the arms are the right proportions and the arse is just a little small but easily fixed. I?m sure goldenchocobo can handle it.

Really like it.

Please comment on my work and share your artistic gift with me.

hehe sorry bout the comment i made on the arms[xx(]..... u guys are right it is the right proportion, i thought it was slightly short cause he had beefy muscles on it [:)]

can't wait to see it finished....[8)]

Dude thats awesome, very profession. I'm jealous i wish i had something like that in my portfolio.

Oh, you are missing the little bit of ribs you should be able to see before the abs. Or the cut bit between the chest and abs, caused by the litle gap were the ribs are.

I've made the ass bigger and done a fair bit of the texturing I'm still debating weather to give him genital detail of and/or a weapon with the extra polys I've got to use[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/silverchocobo/wire_lineup.jpg[/img]

Nice start Goldenchocobo.
I like the way you have painted the hair.
I assume you will be going in later and sharpening things up and adding more detials to the flesh, etc.
Im not much of a modeller so I cant really help out in that area, but it looks like you set up the face for face anims? if so I think that will look really cool.

quote:Originally posted by Goldenchocobo
I've made the ass bigger and done a fair bit of the texturing I'm still debating weather to give him genital detail of

I think the ass/hips might need to be adjusted still. Maybe he's just 'clenching'.

As for detail in the genital area - you could give him a raging phallus but I imagine you'd scare everyone away. Interesting tho' is that a lot of European demon pictures depict demons/Satan in that manner. I'd personally go the J.I Styles route and give him an ornate codpiece. He needs some adornments of some sort because despite the cool model, he's looking a bit bare.

Perhaps a necklace or armbands of some sort? Check some Final Fantasy pics of Ifrit or something.

Maybe an Akuma esk giant bead necklace.

This model looks well made, with the detail in the face being an obvious highlight, but... He does appear a bit dull (no offence) Nothing in particular brings out the Demon Overlord image to me. In my opinion he needs stuff. What stuff is up to you but he does need some stuff.

Pantmonger

I'd model the wang just to be controversial..

I think its lacking in accessories too. While the mesh is well built, I think the silhoutte is kinda generic. I believe thats part of the design.. Probably too late to mention that while texturing..

Anyways, good job so far.

Looks nice ari.

I can't think of any decent weapons suggestions, so i'll leave that one alone. What i would suggest is a bit more of that hair. Give him a hairy groin, hairy forearms, and hair anywhere else you see fit.

The hair on his head looks awesome, and it would really break up the rest of his body.

the arse is much nicer, it just needs to be hairy... :)

I've added hair here and there and changed his colour slightly to give him a heathier look. I think he looks less 'dull'. I don't want to add armour or clothes, it just doesn't seem demon like to me. I still may give him a weapon though.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/silverchocobo/head_turn.avi

http://members.optusnet.com.au/silverchocobo/turn_around.avi

Looks alot better with those changes, I could see this guy with a massivly huge double handed sword (which he would hold in one hand..)

i rekon that would look sweet:D

i like =D

nice work .[}:)].clasic deamon.[}:)]. he look a bit clean though .. i think it would be derty as hell in hell..

How about a claymore, a warhammer or a battleaxe...

I think you should give him a weapon but something unique, not your average short sword.

Flaming sword a la hellfire maybe? Nice work on the face.

>to give him genital detail of and/or a weapon

well, combine the two then....

Nice work so far. I like the hair and the muscalature is coming along well.

The ass is definately too small for the body and I think the rule for hands is that they should come halfway down the thigh. Yours are still a little too high. I think the area you might want to lengthen is between the bicep and forearm as he doesn't seem to have the dip that forms there, even on muscle men.

He would look cool with some tattos or scarification I think. Nice work, looking forward to seeing it finished.

quote:Originally posted by davidcoen

>to give him genital detail of and/or a weapon

well, combine the two then....

Yeah sure, having a weapon instead of the standard unit seams practical untill he and his demonic lady friend want to "take care of business".[:p].

Here's my work so far on the model, with most of the main features roughed out. I hope to make a start texturing early next week.

edit: updated images below

I have to say I like it alot more modelled, the concept didn't really strike a chord with me.

Might want to do something about the leg/hip joints and elbows, not looking all that deformation friendly at present.

Thanks Malus, made changes to the geometry around the waist especially and did a couple of biped tests... seemed ok. Probably be better when I paint the weights tho.

Yes my concept was a little rushed, unfortunately to get things to a nice level on paper I need to spend 2-3 days drawing, whereas I can model out my ideas much faster [V]

I have a quick question, does any weapon need to be included on the same poly budget & texture sheet? I am running a bit low but can make do if need be.

It is my understanding that with most comps if the character is to have a weapon then it comes out of the budget. This is usualy done so as to remove confusion from things like creatures that have weapons as part of them and stuff like that. (malus can confirm or deny this)

If you are running a bit low on polys you probably could reclaim a few from the vest thing as most of that extrusion could be faked with a texture. I like his head it looks commanding without being insane.

Pantmonger

Okay that sounds like a good rule [:)]

Thx

Cool. It kind of has an angelic look to it. His wings would look great of they were burnt and ripped, like he is a fallen angel or something.

The head seems a bit far back, though I cant be sure from this angle. OR maybe its the chin, I think it slopes up a bit too much.

Other than that, it's coming along well.

Cheers Ionized, I think part of the weirdness around the chin area is that the chest is very puffed out - I'm texturing now so I'll review that afterwards.

Yeah the basic idea behind this guy is that his father was a demonic lord, who enslaved and corrupted an angelic being. So this is how their offspring turned out [;)]

edit: thought I'd put in an update for the texturing so far. The vest, belt and wings haven't been touched, while the some of the fleshy bits are still pretty wip [;)] Using a 1024 texture for now.

edit: updated images below

Here's the finished darklord. It is finished as there are many things that could be improved in another model. I will soon start a new one :-)

60% self lit:
[IMG]http://www.jacobleetai.com/images/darklordFinal.jpg[/IMG]

wire:
[IMG]http://www.jacobleetai.com/images/darklordWire.jpg[/IMG]

texture:
[IMG]http://www.jacobleetai.com/images/darklordTex.jpg[/IMG]

Final polycount is 3366.

You've done a nice job on this model.
Those wings almost look real man!
Great handmade textures you've done there.

Some of the mesh construction is a tad messy, especially near the butt and the ridge on his head, but overall nice work. [:)]

very nice, i would probably add some more detail to the texture around his chest area, maybe just some cloth creases or shadows under his upper chest

Those wings are fantastic.

Thanks guys, I agree with your crits and will try hard to do better next time [:D]

for the wings: I painted one feather and created a few different variations of it. They were arranged and laid over eachother with a shadow layer under each (heaps of layers!) Then each was dodged and burnt to add a little variation. Small chunks were erased from some feathers and then a few highlights were painted in to show the edges better. Finally a large overlay was added to tie them all together.

I'm thinking of ideas for his mother and father now. I would like to get some practice working on similar styles/themes across a few characters so this is a good oppurtunity to do so :P

Thx

quote:Originally posted by smeg

Those wings are fantastic.

Indeed. Excellent work there. Nice earthy colour scheme throughout the model too.

Only real crit I have is that he seems to have a bit of a vapid 'stare'.

Yes, the wings were excuted very nicely. Best part of the model :)

Overall its very good but I would add a little design or something to the chest cloth, its a little bit plain how it is.
Maybe also add some fleshy bits/gore around the back of his head were the horns come out You could also try bringing them out a bit more (enlarging them) to make them stand out more, I think that would also help make look alot more menacing. His shoulders also seem very large, but that doesnt look that bad.

When I look at the concept, then back at the finished model, I cant help but think they look alot different. The head and wings especially. Granted, you can stray a little from the concept but not to far. Maybe its just me that sees this, but I thought I should let you know.

I would suggest that you should (if you are able to) spend some more time fine tuning it abit more. But as it stands it looks good, but I think there is still some room for improvement :)

I was going for a subtle and non gore-ish demon here. I really don't think gore and flesh or bigger horns will help the design of this guy. The character evolved during the modelling and texturing process, imo for the better. Also it kind of came down to how good the piccies of bat wings vs eagle wings were down at the library [:p]

I've got some time this arvo,' I might design an emblem to go on his front.

Thx

Very nice stuff... like the whole fallen angel look to it. If you're not into horns or gore, how about some pagan symbols on his chest?
Just a n00bie suggestion. :)

Looking good, but then again good isn?t a very powerful word I don?t mean to be mean but your character lacks scary ness.

By the looks of it, you?re a much better modeller then you are a sketch artist.

Don?t get me wrong, I think you?re a very good modeller.

lol, no worries!

Yes I am working on my trad art, currently doing a concept for a mech/powersuit compo on another forum. Actually, the computer should be turned off [:p]

I'll update this closer to the submission date, with updated textures.

cheers.