Sumea Modeller Challenge

Good stuff - good movement of evolution from one stage to the next. Something about the face doesn't really fit from the first stage to the second, but I'm a fan of your consistency. Perhaps the first stage should be a little more weedier?

Good stuff - nice linework and colouring.

i guess i will add a little hair and teeth to the first evolution

yeh maybe just a weenie pony tail or something

like the whole sort of "larger then life" superhero look, very colourfull to :)

here is the updated version of the base form and the master.

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/silverchocobo/shath/main-guy-litt-shaff…]

That superhero main character is really good. I love the natural connection feeling you get between the main guy and the sidekick. The image makes me imagine of what possible adventures they might go on? It?s a good teaser for a game.
I hope you show us some more of this! Great work. [:)]

That is really cool, the colour combinations are really eye cathching.

They are all really cool. You have to call the sidekick "Expendable Lad", aka Freakazoid. That name has just always cracked me up.

Very stylish.

Very nice - I love how you've incorporated many aspects of the brief into the design. Poses are cool, there's a logo on the hero's shirt that implies the growth of the sidekick. Great colour scheme and expresive poses. Should be easy to do the 3d aspects as they've all got a similar frame, namely bipedal/humanoid.

Excellent.

Sweet. nice cartoony style - very over exaggerated proportions. Should look cool in 3d! Keep it up!

BANANA MAN! oh no, wait. Sorry, my mistake.

Looks cool Shath, i love the hero's belt... damn junkies :D

cheers

Heh - the pellets remind me of Batman.

I've modelled the base form here is his wire/shaded.

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/silverchocobo/shath/first-3d.jpg[/img]

Looking excellant, nice to see the exaggerated features coming through in the 3D version as well.

yeah they certainly are, the difference between arms and legs in size is gigantic :P

here's the finished 3d model and i re did the main guy so he dosn't look like banana man
[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/silverchocobo/shath/main-guy2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/silverchocobo/shath/shaff%203d%20evo%201…]

very nice, well done.

Damn you are only 13, I wish I had the chace to do 3D art that age. Amazing!!!!

Hard to tell if you're serious Doord - I think he might be taking the piss. Check this fromthe Sumea Registration form:

By pressing the "Agree" button, you agree that you, the user, are 13 years of age or over.

yeah sorry my profile said wrong , but is all good now!!

Yeah there are a few people around on sumea who have 13 for age but i dont think they all are.

anyway back to topic, that looks great i can really see that in a game good stuff.

I just love the colours for some reason they work so well together.

but i like banana man.

Looks cool shath - the model is very close to your concept.
cheers

well this is my second form and im working on the texture i'll bring it to u shortly

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/silverchocobo/shath/shaffernotext.jpg[/i…]

sweeet

YAy, i was hoping you hadn't abandoned the comp. It looks great.

Of all the entries ive seen so far, this is the most likely i think to be seen on a kids lunchbox, the superhero - sidekick combination is outstanding, as is the bright colours and overall simpleness of the characters.

Well done Shath [:)]

here's the 2nd form with texture the 3rd evolution on the way

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/silverchocobo/shath/2ndform.jpg[/img]

top stuff man, its so bright and colourfull!

Looking good so far Shath, keep it up man.

It could be a character in Freedom Force. Very nice.

Scott.

Your doing a great job making it look cel shaded without cel shading. top stuff.

so far so good man, nice work with keeping a little consistancy but managing to have interesting changes

oh and it has to be said about the second sketch, reminds me of "birdo" of the Mario universe in one way ;P

it looks like kenny :) badass kenny

quote:Originally posted by MoonUnit

oh and it has to be said about the second sketch, reminds me of "birdo" of the Mario universe in one way ;P

Cool, didn't pick it up. The idea was from LOTR and also to save polycount.

that is awesome. yeh, u could imagine seeing him shoot an egg out of his mouth. :P

I like the idea of his evil form growing goat legs. Very satanic. very promising concepts!

Nice. They look kool. U thought of a third transformation? and any concepts for a good version?

Is your good version going to build on from your evil version - ie twist the evil aspects into good whilst maturing even more - or will it simply be the opposite of the evil vers?

That is some really nice work doord. Love the evil traits ie: wings, goat legs and tail. Can't wait to see it in 3D.

quote:Originally posted by JonathanKerr

Is your good version going to build on from your evil version - ie twist the evil aspects into good whilst maturing even more - or will it simply be the opposite of the evil vers?

I'm still working out in my head what the good version will be (nothing on paper) but what I do know is that it will be opposite to the evil version. With that said you will be able to see more of the face then both the normal and evil versions. The character will be taking more of a wizardmagic feel, which is opposite to the evil versions demonmelee and puts the normal versions martial arts feel nicely in the middle I think.

Anyway there is a update above the first mesh.

Cool the mesh looks great, I think i know which was the hardest part, the staff :)

quote:Originally posted by bullet21

Cool the mesh looks great, I think i know which was the hardest part, the staff :)

Yeah the staff was damn hard, it was petty easy character mesh to model I have an update version which is I would said 95% done and look about 200% better[:)]. I will update as soon as I get time to render it.

Cool Doord, That looks great and Sorceror Bob yeah it does kinda remind me of Kenny. It's really comin along Doord keep it up.

nice work with the WIP of the evil dude, your translating your sketches to models very nicely

Awesome... need i say more?

This is one of my favourite concepts, I love the style.
Cant wait to see the 3rd evolution.

quote:Originally posted by MoonUnit

nice work with the WIP of the evil dude, your translating your sketches to models very nicely

Thanks, I didn't think I was get the translation from 2D to 3D that well, and still don't think I'm getting it as well as I would like to. But if you saying that I have done well I must not be to far off.

xEmilx: Thanks, the little dude has been running around in my head for about 3 month before I put him on paper the other week. He was going to be made hi-res for a few one frame comics (and still will be.)

I hope I can do a good job on the good version, he not far off finished as well as the main character.

Just a little update on what is happening. I have left my pen drive at my mum and dad place so I'm unable to transfer file from home to work so that I can post them.

The next update will be big, it will be the the last two concepts which are done now and the texture for the little guy which is unwarped and about 30% texture now, and maybe the model and possibly the texture for the good guy.

So I haven't left the comp just can't post.

I was waiting for your entry. Top stuff - I love how the evolution makes sense. Eg - the wings are present in the final version whilst only being some sort of radar in the second.

I'm quite a fan of your colouring too. It's well suited to this piece.

Perhaps you could put some subtle detail in the wings of the final version? Kinda like how you've put it in the chest?

Top stuff. Any chance of seeing a hero to go with it?

That is sooooooo Kool. I really like the idea. can't wait to see models.

Even the concept looks like a toon shaded model, top stuff.

Nice work Pants! Love the cartoon style - should convert nicely to 3D.
Keep it up man!

good work pants, reminds me of a bunch of old toys i have lying around somewhere in my cupboard, which is suited to the topic i suppose :D
keep it up

Cool work pants, lovely style :)

JonathanKerr: Thanks, it shall be interesting to see if I can convey the cell shade well with the texture. I probably will add some additional wing detail in the final form as per your suggestion.

Blackjack: Thanks. I can wait either, I never ??cute?? model before

Bullet21: Thanks, Is it models imitating art or the other way around. ??

WAR-HEAD: Thanks, I hope so.

MoonUnit: Thanks, which toys by the way? You got me all curious now.

Makk: Thanks

Pantmonger

Very nice pants. If i was in charge, he'd never evolve - the baby one is too cute. :D

cheers

Well you're not in charge! So HA!

*ahem*

So Pants, how many sketches and concepts did you go through before you got these guys right?

Smeg: Thanks, yeah the little one had to be the cutest, doing the pokemon thing of them being more "serious" as they evolve.

The heads took a couple, but other then that a single profile for each before the 3/4. I find it easier to design the basic shape in flat side veiw before deciding how that translates into a "3D" pose.

I forgot to mention before, there will be a trainer but in 2D only. I have got another project Im working on at the moment so my time is being split as it is. The trainer won't be shown untill the final, poster style, pic.

Pantmonger

Pantmonger

I like the suspense! Can't wait.

just an old toy of a terodactil (sp?). you could push a button on its back and its wings would flap[8D]

Can't let anyone else have the thunder hey Mr Pants? [:P]
Nice ideas.

i really like this concept, i especially like the piece on his chest that opens out to be like a mechanical eye in the final evolution. really nice style too, the cell shading and thick black lines really work for this.

Nice concept, my favourite so far.

A strange request, but I wonder what this could look like in a vector program like Illustrator - just to give it 'extra smoothness?' With your colouring, did you do the three tones on three different layers?

its cool i like your colouring style

Thanks again for the positive feedback guys.

JonathanKerr: Cell shade stuff converts to vector real well, even just vectorising an existing bitmap done in cell shade goes over pretty well, not two much additional optimization needed. One of my first illustration jobs involved doing cell shade in flash.

Each colour was on a separate layer, the tones for each of those colour layer go on layers above, you bind them together and you cannot go outside the lines of the layer its bound to. Makes the whole thing fast and easy to do, but it is a memory pig. But that?s the way I work, and also the reason I have 2 gig of ram on my PC.

Pantmonger

[img]http://home.iprimus.com.au/evilbunny/jagged/forum/evolution_con_01.jpg[…]

Update time: Basic modeling done for the 3 forms, pobably a little tweeking to go, time depending.

Poly counts are:
Stage one creature: 904
Stage two creature: 1032
Stage three creature: 1258

For a total of: 3194 tri?s

Pantmonger

They look really cool Pants. Can't wait to see the texturing now :)

Happy Birthday as well.

wowzers, nice work, great transition from your sketches to 3D, allthough the perodactyl (sp?) thing looks a lot more bottom heavy and fatter in 3D then it did in your sketch, or perhaps the head is just smaller....

Wow, I'm impressed. They look awesome. They look to me just like your concept art.
It's taking me forever to get my models done, and I was just wondering how long it took you to make those?
Great work, anyway.

Thanks for the comment guys, and the birthday wishes.

MoonUnit: Yeah, I will be tweaking the girth a bit on these, as well as trimming some bits adding to others etc, I just like to let a little time pass to distance myself first.

palantir: About 6 / 7 hours done on one hot Sunday morning.

Pantmonger

Looks good, I like the colouring in the concept art. That is it's the 22nd your saying was hot, you weren't wrong. At about 4pm my pool was luke warm.

Edit Images removed due to load times
Stage 1.
The textured model shots are done with a high self illumination, if this is an issue just let me know and I will change it, but the texture was designed around having a high self illumination.

Pantmonger

Aw shucks hes soo cute, [:P]
Looking good so far Pants, how are the others coming along?
Looks like you baked in some lighting, cool cell shaded feel.

Looks good pants - Perhaps give a bit more attention to the green glass bits, solid gray and white highlights are looking washed out and detracts from it.

I'm a firm believer in presenting textured shots of your model at least over 50% self illum (I personally prefer to see 100% self illum). This is to see the texture on the model, to look at things such as the uv distortion, seam laying, and the model/texture as a whole. Anything less and I'd assume people are hiding things in their presentation [;)]

Malus: Thanks, the others are coming along ok, about 50% uvw?s done on both (benefit of using the same base mesh) The texturing should be faster as well now that I know how I?m conveying it style wise, though due to the 512 size it all feels so wasteful. I considered baking the lighting, but then just did it by hand instead. The whole thing feels so slow as I am making 1 hour at a time before I go to work each morning. I hope my sleepiness doesn?t effect to badly.

J.I. Styles: Thanks, I?ll look at altering the extremes on the glass.

Pantmonger

you _didn't_ bake that lighting?

bravo.

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Just the final splash shot to go

Pantmonger

They are awesome! If you change any of them, I will be mighty peeved. I love the pre-evolved ones twig. I think your in with a good chance. :)

'Tis very cool1 Great evolution going on -- any chance of seeing the 'main character' even if only in concept form?

Cool. Great work with the evolutions.

It'd be quite cool to see what their powers are. Has he got a name?

I love how everything links together, like the twig and d the white markings. Hurry up and model them, c'mon c'mon.

awesome work! very creative!!!

i know the mouth plates are a part of the culture your mimiking but it does look a bit odd in the sketch.

oh nice drawing skills too :P

these rock!

makes me want to model yours not mine!!!

10 out of 10 on the creative side!!

My Favourite so far. [:)]

Sweet pics man, I'm oh so jealous. One thing though, I thought the evolution had to follow one single path, and you're saying your guy goes from one blue to two red? Maybe I'm wrong, but I interpreted it as though you would then have to follow on from the blue pill with either another blue or a red one. But this is irrelevant really, cause they look cool.;)

You can put a blue onto a red - it just means that you might twist some of the blue characteristics. I really like this design, I just wanna see the attacks or maybe the 'hero' (if he has time).

If you ever wanted to animate his blue pill form you'd have a bit of trouble having legs that short and feet that large, other than that I think it's awesome (easily my favorite). It'll be tough competing with you.

he'd just walk like marvin the martian :)

Thanks guys it?s always good to get some encouraging comments

Jonathan - I don?t really have a name for him but I figured he would have voodoo style attacks such as causing unexplained pains, take control of and use other characters attacks and a hex/curse that would make opponents have a 25% chance of their attacks not working.
Also I have done the hero and will post him as soon as possible I?m still having some trouble with uploading stuff (I change my isp this week)

Wiz ? I read over what I typed before and it wasn?t really very clear, what I meant is that the one in the middle is the original form if you gave him one red pill he would change into a form that I haven?t drawn, if you gave him another red pill he will change into the form on the left. From the original character again if you gave him one blue pill then he would evolve into the drawing on the right, if you gave him another blue pill then he would evolve again to one that I haven?t drawn??uuuuuuhhh ?.yeah[?], clear as mud

Goldenchocobo ? Like what inglis said, he will have a real penguin type walk, he?s not designed to be fast for melee attacks.

Hope that?s cleared up a few things, I?ll post the hero asap[:)]

and here he is?..
[img]http://www.markfilippelli.com/concept_art/hero.jpg[/img]

the leg stance reminds me of the aliens in "the arrival".

lol yeah i was thinking of a similar thing, an animation with aliens that have backwards legs :P

has quite the "pokemon trainer" look about him, does it really suit the theme of voodo guys? i mean hes a neat design but i reckon you could mesh him better with the "creatues"

Awesome creature design. Very original looking.

I have to agree with MoonUnit about the trainer. He wasn't what I was really expecting. Perhaps someone more tribal?

Love the pose, the shoes are cool, but there doesn't seem to be a connection between the sidekick and hero. I like how you've incorporated the pill into the image.

Perhaps if you gave him a wooden carved amulet or maybe a mask (like Crash Bandicoot) or something?

Very cool.

i think the hero pic is great, suits the sidekick in my oppinion. very pokemon/digimon/etc style hero-sidekick connection. if you somehow understand what i mean.

when i was designing the hero i wasn?t thinking about relating him to the sidekick. i assumed that the sidekick would be one of many (like in pokemon) so the hero would have a separate identity.
i?ll have a bit of a draw and see what i come up with along the tribal line.
i may have gone a little overboard with the lanky stance as well:)

i started to draw a hero concept that was more tribal, but got carried away and started to change it heaps so that is was more like my usual style rather then one that suites the sidekick characters. because of this I?ll probably stick with the original?see what you think anyway.

http://www.markfilippelli.com/concept_art/masai.jpg

If she had a few more items of clothing (seeing as it is a kiddy game), she would be perfect :D Very cool design.

Aven: thats not that far off of what certain tribes would wear.
Doesn't really seem all that offensive to kiddies to me, considering half the tribes are nearly naked.[:P]

Looks really good Mark, can't wait to see your models.
How are things going for you and the other guys since leaving Qantm? Haven't seen any reels come thru our doors.

I like the lil ones twig he has, very nice. You went to Qantm did you, thats where I want to go.

I definately like the second tribal hero more than the original one. And i don't think that she does need more clothes coz as Malus said most tribes are fully naked, at least shes covered up wut counts.

Good forbid she's showing her naval :)

Oh yeah, I would definitly like to see the second hero/trainer, she fits the part nicely, I know it seems obvious but alot of the time I think the simplest idea works best! Plus I like the second drawing better! Can't wait to see how they come out in the modeling process!

i also like the second trainer

im not sure but i think ur little characters are kinda for your own game thing, the evolution extreme can be adapted a bit. So having the trainer and characters linked up is ok (this is my takings, you want to know for sure ask the people running the comp :P )

Aven ? it wasn?t really the semi-nakedness i was worried about, if you?ve ever watched ?what?s up doc? when it used to be on, you?d see that television companies aren?t that worried about having a scantily clad woman on a kids show. to me the style just doesn?t suit that of the other pic. but then again in final fantasy x that woman has that freaky doll thing, the two together look weird but it works.
everyone seems to prefer this 2nd one so thats the one that i?ll go with.

Malus ? doing good mate, how about you, did you get my e-mail?

Fireflight ? i can only speak for the diploma (because that?s what i did) but i found it excellent. very up to date as well as very helpful and knowledgeable teachers and best of all you have the opportunity to work with programmers on games. but it?s really up to you to get the most out. (can?t stress that enough)

?and here are the wires for the good evolution, still have a few issues with a couple of parts in the mesh. should be able to cut it back a few more polys. i?ve set an allocated amount of polys for each model but i?ll still wait till i?ve done the other 2 just so that i have a better idea of what is need for each design.
btw haven?t done the staff yet

[img]http://www.markfilippelli.com/3d_mesh/sidekick_wires.jpg[/img]

I did not mean to have a go at the trainer at all. As I said, I really like her. I'm sure that small children wont have troubles with her, or will the fathers of the children (well most). The trouble comes from the uptight parents who do have troubles with it. It is funny that you mentioned 'What's Up Doc?', as my mum hated the way the hosts used to dress. The only thing that relaxed her was the fact that they had cartoons and it wasn't just some lame attempt at softcore porn :)

The mesh is looking really good so far.

sorry if i sounded a bit harsh, i took no offence, i know what your saying totally and it's certainly true about uptight parents, i was just making a point as well:)

haha sounds awesome. your hero should be the walrus.

Nice intro....
Sounds like a real cool idea, will the evolved versions maintain some/most/none of its pig form?

I like your style, it makes a change from gamer geek speak and shows depth. when do we see a concept drawing.

Its usually good form when quoting from a novel to credit the writer ie Lewis Carroll, stops people not in the know from getting the wrong impression.

Other then that, interesting idea.

Pantmonger

great concept.[?]

It is good to see that you can read as well as you can type. I will post it again just for you. I am currently in a competition with Happy Camper. This competition ends on the 10th of February. I am nearly done. I have two of three images completed, and I would like to finish the final image before I focus all of my attention on this comp. Therefore, I will not post any images until next week. I hope that this is a little clearer for you to understand.

No NO I can read, just gets to me place holder comp posts. I can't remember if it was the last comp or the Hi-res one but there were like 10 of these which didn't end up even doing a concept.

Yours didn't have a concept either brendan haha :D

Meet Joey. He is your average six year old. Well except that he is incredibly afraid of the dark. [img]http://home.netspeed.com.au/mlanham/SumeaComp_05/joey.jpg[/img] The night ended like any other night. His mum sent him off to sleep with a tale of how there aren't monsters in the dark, and there is nothing to be afraid of. Like every other night, Joey fell asleep listening to his mother's words. That night though, Joey did not sleep well. He had terrible dreams all through the night. When he awoke, it was much worse than he could have imagined. He jumped down from his bed only to be met with a very odd feeling. His bed felt as though it was a lot higher. Come to think of it, so did every thing. He started to walk uneasily through the house, feeling a type of fear that he had never felt before. All the colours were off and shadows were darker and sharper than usual. He made his way down the oh so long hall way, all the way to his parent's bed room. Then he saw the unthinkable.... His parents weren't there. He walked into the kitchen, and that is when it started. An uneasy feeling came over Joey as he turned around to see a shadow jump right out at him. Scared, he flinched and closed his eyes. Hoping for the best. After what felt like ages, Joey opened his eyes to see that his shadow had come alive and grabbed the rouge shadow. His shadow -without much effort- ripped the rouge shadow to bits and turned and faced Joey. Joey was so amased that his shadow had saved him. Joey turned around to have a look at the kitchen and to make sure that nothing else was trying to hurt him. He turned back around to his shadow, and that is when he learnt a terrible lesson. His shadow was standing there holding a butcher's knife. Aimed at poor little Joey. His shadow only stopped the other shadow from killing Joey, so that he could have that pleasure. Joey now has to try to find out what is wrong with his world, try not to be killed by all the shadows in his house, and try to avoid his own shadow. Poor lil' guy. This is how his shadow starts out. It is just a very dark for of him, without any eyes. [img]http://home.netspeed.com.au/mlanham/SumeaComp_05/shadow_01.jpg[/img] After progressing through the game, Joey starts to live with his shadow and is becoming less afraid of the dark. Well, the evil boss doesn't think much of that. With a wave of his all powerful hand, the boss makes Joey's shadow more scary. Joey's shadow is even more relentless chasing Joey around. [img]http://home.netspeed.com.au/mlanham/SumeaComp_05/shadow_02.jpg[/img] Now the final form for Joey's shadow arrives when Joey finally comes to grips with his fear. How does he come to grips with fear? By learning that it is all in his head? By having a heart to heart with his shadow? Nah. He traps it's arse in a magical jar. His shadow also evolves into three gaseous forms that will swarm out of the jar and attack anything it sees. Joey can then call them back into the jar before it attacks him. [img]http://home.netspeed.com.au/mlanham/SumeaComp_05/shadow_03.jpg[/img] All feedback is welcome :)

Sorry it took so long to get these pictures up. If anyone is interested, this is how Thunderdome7 ended up http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15180 Thanks again to Happy Camper. It was terrific fun man. Thanks for bringing me in on it :)

Reminds me somewhat of Kingdom Hearts Aven, nice work. Be interesting to see how you pull off the modeling of the shadows. Remember it is meant to be entertainment for kids, so don't make it too dark.

Wow, great idea Aven :)
How are you going to model this so they look like shadows? opacity maybe?
Not a big fan of the jar thing though, to e honest. Though I love the first two versions, especailly the glowing bits.
Great work :)

Thanks for the feedback. Wizenedoldman - I have never played Kingdom Hearts. My friend has it, but when I went to his house, he didn't have a memory card and didn't want to play it too much. My biggest inspiration was an old PC/PS game called 'Heart Of Darkness'. I had awesome animation :D I wanted to make the shadows scary enough to give little kids slight goosebumps. When they play it, they should come to grips with any fears of the darkness they may have. I will make sure that they aren't too scary though. Makk - Opacity all the way :) I am hoping that I can get the 3D models to look like they have been painted. I am still unsure of the third form as well. Any suggestions would be really welcome at the moment :) I wouldn't just leave it as a jar with a blook pool in it though, I would actually make the three shadow spectres that go in there. Some other ideas I had were to make a really big beefy shadow monster. Fortunately in the process of evolution, the shadow lost a bit of it's inteligence. It still wants to destroy all the other shadows attacking little Joey, but it can't remember why (ie, it wont attack Joey). I also thought of making it either a dark angel (gown, harp, halo), or some little shriveled, old shadow that floats around in a meditated state. I will start modelling the other forms, but will leave the final form for now.

Nice work, i love the topic youve got going there. It can be fun to make a sort of childs work in the dark if you know what i mean, its not new, its been done many times before but if done right it can still have the desired effect.

Not really a fan of the third one either, the whole idea seems to come to a abrubt holt there and it seems like it was a bit rushed or something... like the second one tho :D

COOL. I really like the extra mile you've gone with this.

I feel the jar is a bit of a copout... maybe the shadow can be shackled to something (or joey?). I like the idea as it is, but i just feel the shadow should be contained some other way.

I also find the graphic style of the first evolution interesting; at first glance, the accurate ribcage, pelvis and spine look quite graphic (inappropriate for youngens), but they are quite stylised.

All in all very cool. I love the style you've drawn them in.
cheers

great idea and story to go with it !!!!! alot better them mine !! :P
i like your drawing style the work you have done on that td7 comp is great your a great drawer i wish i could draw like that !

i also think you should reword the 3rd idea with the jar its just lacking compared to the others

great work
!

Great idea mate, incredibly original can't wait to see the models.

Moonunit - Thanks. I just wanted to do something a little different from what other people were doing. Saves having to look at the same thing 20 times over. Smeg - The third form was always going to be one of two things. A bigger, better version -or- some bizarre reverse evolution cop out. I guess I should have done the first :) I will have to be really careful when modelling the second character, so that it isn't too detailed. I just hope that people here will let me know if it is looking a little too intense. Thank you for the comment about the painting style. I was trying to be really loose and free. So that it would look like a kids painting :) Doyle - Thanks man. I am still trying with my drawing. I hope that I can still continue to further myself. I have worked on the third form a little, so I hope that it isn't quite so weak. Bullet21 - Thanks. I will hopefully start having some WIPs of the models out in a few days. I expect lots of crits in return :)

Now for the updated third form... [img]http://home.netspeed.com.au/mlanham/SumeaComp_05/Shadow_03_02.jpg[/img] Seeing that Joey is still coming to grips with his fear of the dark, the 'Master Evil Type Guy' tries to evolve Joey's shadow once more. Instead of trying to scare Joey even more, he decides to just evolve him into something that will have a better chance of beating the crap out of him. It isn't how you use it, it's how big it is. Unfortunately for him, something went a little wrong during the evolution. All the bulk that exsisted in the shadow's mind, was pushed into it's body. The shadow still realises that it should stop all the bad shadows from hurting little Joey... but why again? Please let me know if this is a little better, or if I need to go back to the drawing board (er... Wacom).

If I can play devils advocate for a bit:

I really like the idea and I like your artwork on a technical level, but to me, it looks like art that you'd see in a childrens storybook, with the lack of detail etc. I don't say it in a bad way - it's got flava, but I wonder if there's a reason why Poke/Digimon use the black outlines thing that seems to be so popular?

The idea of the shadow is very cool - but perhaps a bit of tweaking could be in order. Maybe turning into different forms? I'm not sure what to suggest -- it's a tough idea to make work. I'll be interested to see how you approach the 3d aspect of it.

Um, you are a little unclear there Jonothan. I will try to make a response, but it is kind of difficult :) The reason why a lot of kids fads are done with black outlines is because they are based on cartoons. It is just easier for them to have black outlines filled with colour. There are a few (very few) cartoons that will change the colour of the outlines. Why, I am not too sure. Since this is for a game, we have the freedom of not being bound to what is done in traditional animation (both good and bad). I know that getting a painted look in 3D will be very difficult (more so on a texturing level than a modelling one). That is why i wanted to know if ramp shaders are allowed to be used. If not, that is cool. I have thought about it quite a bit (another reason why it took so long for art to be posted), and as Joel said, there is always inverse mesh methods to achieve it :evil grin: The final comment is a little confusing. Could you please expand on that at all? There was a game released in PS2 a little while ago called 'Herdy Gerdy'. Very few people have even heard of it (I have never played it). The cartoon effect in that is awesome. It looks more like 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit?' as opposed to 'Pokemon'. It has this really amasing charm that I would like to achieve. [img]http://home.netspeed.com.au/mlanham/SumeaComp_05/herdygerdy_02.jpg[/img] [img]http://home.netspeed.com.au/mlanham/SumeaComp_05/herdygerdy_04.jpg[/img] It doesn't have lines at all, yet it still looks like a really well made cartoon :)

I see. Herdy Gerdy does have some great style. TBH - I'm not even sure what ramp shaders are (!). Getting lots of technical questions in the other thread - I assumed alphas would be mainly used for opacities or whatever although, Malus' reply to Doords comment (hinting at normal maps) are probably not what I was hoping for. I was mainly referring to opacity but the more technical minded guys seem to be hinting at all sorts of shit I know bugger all about. So if you're reading this Doord - no normal maps please (to keep everyone on roughly the same footing). Is everyone cool with that?

To extrapolate on previous comments: I love the idea you've got, but Im not really a fan of the first two forms. The first shadow and second shadow seem... bland. I like the third one tho - but maybe have things like a big hammer for a hand etc. They saw that you can tell a great character by it's silhouette -- perhaps try to expand the shadow concept in some way? Devil May Cry and Ico for PS2 had good shadow enemies.

Basically a ramp shader (Falloff shader in Max) is a type of shader that works with the angle of a face and it's orientation to an object (ie, the camera) to change how the material will look. This is used to get a variety of cool shader effects from X-Ray shaders, to adding in Fresnel Reflections (great for glass and Car Paint), softer materials (silk, velvet), and of course, Cell Shading. I am not too sure if ramp shaders are used for real time rendering, or if it is through another technique. It is generally how it is achieved through pre-rendered scenes though. I noticed that Doyle has some renders up that use cell shading, so I was just wondering. Cool, that's what I thought you were saying. I just wanted to check :) The first shadow is meant to be very basic as it is based around the character. I didn't want to fool around with the design for that too much, as it would make very little sense to have a 'sidekick' that is based on the hero if it doesn't look even remotely like him. DMC did have some sweet enemies full stop, but they would look slightly out of place in a game aimed for 10 year olds right? It seems like I am treading very thinly at the moment between kiddy and adult. I really don't want to push that too much further. I have only seen very few shots of Ico, and from what I can understand, they do the game no justice at all. I didn't want to add in weapons as such (like the hammer hand you suggested), as there is no point for it. They are fighting shadows, so a hammer would hardly do much to them :) Thanks for the advice, it did make me sit down and think about the characters a little more. At this stage though, I am quite happy with it :)

Sweet idea aven, i really wanna see more of your work [:)] i demand the models!!! [:D]

Sorry to everyone. I was unable to complete this for two reasons. 1. Computer troubles. My system has been dicking up a bit recently. I just upgraded my Mobo and HDDs yesterday and am currently setting it all up. 2. Plain out procrastination. Hey. At least I am honest :) I do forfeit, but I will continue to work on them in my own time.

wicked. The second one is awesome, dont change it at all! :)

Nice work doode, should make for an interesting model. Looking forward to the third evolution. Does the creature have any special abilities/powers?
Have you thought much about the main character?

Working on an alternate version of the creature now.

I was thinking it is a very natural creature, so no real special powers. However it is based off of a wombat, so probobly digging, and powers to do with rocks and the earth.

I have a kind of idea, for elemental god kind of things, but still concepting it.

Well this is my final 3 concepts, gonna try to start modeling them and make a few coloured versions asap. I would really appreciate and advice on them.

I'm also working on there Bio's and the Hero character and should have them done by the end of the week, unless something mucks up my cosmic plans! (always the way [:)])
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Coming along really well, great consistancy with your character. You can clearly see the evolutionary process.
I want to see the models! HURRY HURRY! :D

i think that maybe there should be more change between the second and third evolution... by looking at the toes it seems like all you did was do a bit of rubbing out and adding...

Ok after careful consideration, and disscusion with ppl, I'm going to tweak the concept even more, and try and get away from my Pokemon style.
It will be hard, as I find all my sketches come out cartoony. Suggestions on character changes are more than welcome, I need all the help I can get.

Alrighty then, the new concepts should be up this week, been really busy. Pretty much decided to stay with originals, but clean them up for polycount, dropping a pair of legs to make the final evolution bi pedal, the middle and first stage evolutions are quadrapeds.

Going to keep my style, u got to work with what u got! And going to try to get the first two evolutions out by end of the next week.

Also working on the character storyline, and the Hero concept, both which should go up with the concepts. General idea is hero found an artifact, lets him command, befriend the creature of the elemental device he has, in the case of the current creature, Earth. The creature evolves along the lines of creator or destroyer depending on what kind of life energy it is fed, Red or Blue pill like crystals left behind when monsters are destroyed. When enough of theses are collected it determines creatures powers and disposition to the world in general. But this is all still a working concept.

PLEASE any suggestions are welcome.

Ok, concepts, going to work on colour schemes when I start textures.

I've been realy busy at school and this is my first attempt at character modeling, so I hope I will finish it, but just incase I thought I'd put up my excuse now....Lol
[img]http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/chaosbs/blackjack/12.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/chaosbs/blackjack/3.jpg[/img]

Thats a big change from your first ones. Now it has sort of japanese sonic style.

Do u like the concepts? or should I just give up?[?]

no way dont give up man - go for it!! [:D]

the first concept only has 2 legs yesh ?

i really like the last one - it looks really cool and has a bit of attitude :)

Just a quick note tho - from the second to 3rd stage doesnt look THAT different. but really cool idea man it will be a shame to see you give up!!

Kool, I'll try and tweak it a bit to make evolutions a bit different, I'm so used to drawing this thing now I could knock him up in my sleep.
Shame the modeling isn't the same.

Yeah that look really good,i like it way more than you first concept. just one question how old are you. it's just that you say you were busy with school.

I'm 22, I just started the 1st year game development (art) course at the Acadamy of Interactive Entertainment (AIE)

That character would make a sweet platform character man, i can already see him digging around the screen , throwing dirt all over the place, sratching the hell outta the enemies etc !!

and the colouring helped lots [:D) good work man

oh ok i thought you were in high school or something.

nah, just tryin to get into games, not sure if I'm gonna be good enough though.

Practice man, thats all it will take - some damn long hours and lots of dedication :) theres not one single guy i know ( that lasted long ) in the industry that didnt get there wihtuot working seriously hard at modelling / texturing for a good few months, and some even years.

A smidgen of luck does go with that too though ;) thing is not to give up hope man.

theres always going to be someone better than you - but theres only one of him and lots of possible places for you to work ;) thats the way i look at it anyways - sounds kinds corny, but provides me with what i need to keep going [:D]

Hazard- Inspirational! [:D]

thanks, i just gotta gety my stuff together and bust out some kool stuff. just really busy and a little stressed

hey this is prob a stupid question, but how do I render out the edge faces? or do I need a material?

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/84_edge.jpg[/img]

apply this to it and click on face map..thats one way.

Thanks Inglis, but ended up using Edgemap plug.

Well here is evolution 1:

[img]http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/chaosbs/blackjack/title.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/chaosbs/blackjack/front.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/chaosbs/blackjack/top.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/chaosbs/blackjack/side.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/chaosbs/blackjack/per.jpg[/img]

Should have evolution 2 done by end of week, and hopefully 3 if I'm lucky. So what do ppl think of my first ever 3dsMAX character?

yeah, that's very good for your first max character. I like it. [:)]

It looks like the mesh would deform nicely for game animation, and I'm sure with a good texture, something like this would come off well in a 3d platform style of game.

Well done.

It is great, especially for your first ever max model. Just one thing about edge map plugin, it doesn't render the edges very clearly, i used to use it but Hazard told me this way:

Go into Edge sub-object level, select all your edges ( make sure ignore backfacing is is turned off ), scroll down until you find the create shape from selection button. Click that then make sure linear is checked in the box.

Now press 'h' and select the new spline shape you just created.
Click on 'renderable' and adjust the thickness which is just above (?) or below - from memory.
Now hit the render button and view your new thick and clean wired goodness

Also you can change the colour of the wire just like you would any other mesh object.

The edges will be alot clearer. and it isn't much harder.

Kool thanks, I'll do that and repost em when I get number two up, which should be tonight, I'm kinda on a rool, cept for potential polycount problems

ok, here is evolution 2, tell me what u think
[img]http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/chaosbs/blackjack/title2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/chaosbs/blackjack/front2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/chaosbs/blackjack/top2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/chaosbs/blackjack/side2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/chaosbs/blackjack/per2.jpg[/img]

wait wait... ur first time using max? no way

Is it your first ever 3d character or just your first max character. THat is awesome either way. I'm just hoping it's not your first ever character cos otherwise i will be put to shame.

are the evolutions going to be two different versions of the same creature or an evolution of one strain?
ie - Pika -> Pikachu -> Raichu? that's three versions of the one idea.

cool

Wicked concept art! I cant wait to see it modelled and textured. Great idea to evolve the character into either a male or female form based on their good/evil evolution.

Nice sketches, I don't usually go for that kind of style, but can still appreciate the artistic quality. Anyhow, good, solid stuff, look forward to the finished piece.

Cheers.
I spose my sidekick guy evolves into two different forms, as opposed to a progressive stage evolution.
The evolution doesnt neccessarily have to involve the sidekick getting larger and meaner does it?

hmmm....

I dont think so, because I'm pretty much doing the same thing, except both my evolutions will be male. I have one good/light evolution and one evil/dark evolution and the initial nuetral state.

love the wolf sketch, someone did something like that for the last model challenge i think (with scythe blades on the wrists n stuf.. help me out people).

piss-poor

[url]http://www.markfilippelli.com/concept_art/demon1.jpg[/url]

quote:Originally posted by xEmilx

I dont think so, because I'm pretty much doing the same thing, except both my evolutions will be male. I have one good/light evolution and one evil/dark evolution and the initial nuetral state.

I suppose that's a different way of looking at it. Initially I was thinking "1 direction -> 2 iterations" but considering that I've been trying to get people to think outside the square, I don't see why "2 directions -> 1 iteration" wont work. I just think that you can show a process of evolution a bit better with 3 steps as opposed to two.

Can anyone think of a Pokemon that does this?

The Eevee, dependant on what you give it you get Flareon, Jolteon or Vaporeon.

Pantmonger

Cheers for that Pantmeister.

It'll fit in just fine - kids today are smarter than we think. Read the brief - the answers are all in there (regarding guns etc - be creative in order to get around restrictions).

hey thats cool. maybe to fit in with the age group, you could go for a more chibi manga look?

Okay, I've been working overtime on this, trying to refine my concept and its going quite well. Thanks to hobonation for suggesting the chibi manga style, ive done a few quick sketches in my notebook and found that it works better and could be more appealing to the 6-12 age group.

We've been told to think outside the square, so i happened to drift a few kilometers south of it and came up with an idea to use a sword (hopefully its a valid idea - id like to thank Jonathan for getting me to think about this).
Well in his initial evolutionary state, the ninja carries with him a small sword (still working on a name for it), which was used in ancient times to give samurai's supreme power in battle. This sword is what makes the evolution of the ninja possible.

example: blue/red pill are useless if taken on their own, but if you carry a sword of evolution, the blue/red pill enduce a state of meditation to draw power from the sword and evolve into a stronger more powerful character.

Also, as the ninja evolves into either is good or evil state, the sword too evolves into a good (sword of light) or evil (sword of darkness) state.

Let me know what you think of the idea, or if this is against the rules of the breif.

That seems fine to me. Will the sword evolve as well? It's a good twist on the brief. What do others think?

sounds cool. I think that could make it more interesting. can a 'light' character have a 'dark' sword?

Cool idea so far. But if you are making him a Samurai, perhaps you should break the cliche of having a Katana, and give him a Naginata. This also allows for a bit more design freedom when evolving the weapon.

i like the idea of giving it a more "chibi" look for the whole kids audience if thats what ur after

if you want more of DBZ thing then your on the right track :) well done

Well, its been a while since I updated this. Ive done heaps of sketching and concept art for this comp, but I've just started school again and I don't have the time to finish them all to upload.
I will most likely will be withdrawing from the competition, but I will be following the comp to see how it ends.
Thanks to everyone that has commented or given me suggestions and good luck to everyone.

Sorry to hear that xEmilx, hope to see you in the next one.

Yeah, school sucks arse, I don't even have time to practice my shit any more it's either school or work. I'm in year 11, if your not enjoy school mate, it sux arse even morein VCE.

awww pity man, oh well maybe you can pick it up again when u have more time and show us in the exhibition board

Only in year 11 bullet? I finished that years ago doode! Wait til you get to year 12. I just started 2nd year of the AIE course, just opened in Melbourne. Didn't do the first year, and I've never used 3DS MAX before, so i have to work 10 times as hard as anyone else.

Hopefully I get everything under control and I may show the remaining concept images and WIP models.

Cool. How would he fit in with the 'hero'? Does he have any special powers or anything? It's not easy to tell what they could be from the sketches.

Nice style tho'! and I like the differences between the dark and light versions. Perhaps a little more emphasis on the 'evolution' side of the challenge?

Jono

Yeah, I like your concepts. I Especially like the dark/evil dude. Nice!

I think you should have a go at modelling them, even if you feel you aren?t that good. You can only learn from the experience, right? And who knows, some people might offer you useful tips to improve your models/skills. [:)]

(Besides, I don't want to be the only beginner modeller entering this thing! [:D])

lol Thanks. o and I'm worse than a beginer, i only modeled for like a week, using circles and squares then gave up.

I dont know what i'm going to be doing for the heroic type. I will start thinking soon.(after my coffee boost) and i might re-do the pictures with details on their personality, abilities etc..

Gotta say tho', I love the name.

I love the idea of the trainer being a stereo-type aussie... very original! You should model that just for a laugh.

humps souri's leg, perhaps you need to send yourself a reminder email.

lol youve so got to get a job with midway and have baloon head man as the next secret character in mortal kombat :D

evil balloon twisty animals, cool, with the human sidekick as a kid mime?

Could I suggest that the main character has a pump that he uses to create the balloon head guys attacks or shapes?

If i ever get round to the main character, thats the plan Jonathan.. An evil (nice cliche coming up) clown. Possibly sideshow luke perry.

man and i thought my idea of an armadillo helmut creature was wierd!

i like it !! it is great !!

he could have a sonic attack....... with that thing you do with balloons ....... and a really cool party trick he could perform for the ladys [;)]

[:0][:p][?]
lol

wouldnt take much to take him out though, a small prick? a slight breeze? unless the poping of his 'head' os so deafening it stikes you to the ground, and then he re-inflates himself, agh! oh the horror! he is invincible!

Your concept here is actually very strong. If you took away the human aspect of the balloon guy - and just had a balloon - you could really go to town. As a virtual shapeshifter it could do a number of things:

Got an idea? Turns into a hand with index finger pointing out.
Need to kick someone? Turns into a shoe.
Need a quick getaway - turns into hot air balloon and then deflates crazily.

And what is the hero? Pump guy!

lol, pump guy would b cool.

wow thats actually an amazingly good idea, better then glover even (if anyones played that game)

Very cool. Very cute.

Does he have a concave face and chest? [:)]

There are meant to be three evolutionary states. The brief implies you can shift between the states as required, so it is reversable and in that sense more transformation than evolution. The brief is pretty loose though.

What about designing some more of these guys who can be used as a weapon and other armour. You could then have a hero who can wear them or send them forth as a gang of minions. "Legion of Armour Attack!"

BTW You should change the title of this topic to "Sumea Challenge #5 -3D- tojo"

I havent really made my mind up on 'how' he wou8ld actually morph between states or whether he would have to have a concave face and chest..... was thinking about just not worrying about it... kinda giving a 'tartis-style-doesnt-really-make-sense' type approach...

other wise i could just make his body and face kinda retract slightly when he changes???

would be cool if there were like five of them or something tha madae a complete set of armour....each bestowing a certain amount of power apon te wearer?

"Legion of Armour Attack!"<<< cool idea!!

all different colors with different personalities

clever but like u said going to be a bit weird to model a little concave character, interested to see how it turns out :)

Wow, that is all i can say, well actually it is not. This reminds me of a DBZ character Go tenks i think. Can't wait to see it in 3D

i changed the image a bit to help market the idea to myself....

i think it is working ....... i really like my helmut friend...

i am going to start modelling him i think....[:D]

should do a pair of boots and a cod piece as well!

The character who turns into a cod piece should be perpetually pissed off.

Very cool - is this an initial version? What will the evolved versions look like? I'm curious to see what a piece of armour could turn into -- an armoured tank? Armadillosaurus?

reminds me of an italian comic by Massimiliano Frezzato "the keepers of the maser 1' published in english by 'heavy metal', if you are over 18 you might want to check it out (has the occasional titty shot). It is very big on anthropomorphic robots which get straped to people.

like the scales, if you are not happy woth how the feet hang at the back of the head, then perhaps make it like a little child riding piggy back on there parent's shoulders, where the feet hang over the parent's chest?

(i'm boring, would do the evolution as different head/ shoulder armours, rather then try to get it to fit completly different body areas, that might be too difficult...)

here is my progress so far.......
one x head with mouth that can be animated and blinking eyes...

[img] http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/todre/chocho01.jpg [/img]

he is turning out the right amount of cute i think

and another shot of the mouth in 2 x different states..

.........oh and poly count so far is 360 i think... i am happy with that??..... that is good??? although i have alot more head detail to go.......... and am not sure what to do with the scales and stuff............ wouldnt mind making the edges of them 3d rather than just flat..

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/todre/chocho02.jpg [/img]

looking nice, keep at it :D

nice start, rememeber to watch that polycount :)

That's a very cool idea you have there. I'm sure that the little girl will of course look very eerie ;)

Your art is very nice as well.

Now that you mention it, in the initial very rough sketch she's looking like a slightly happier Emily Strange.

ooooh nice concept, especially love the giant sketch, innocence (child) mixed with brute is a interesting concept :)

ohh, do like the giant. 'bongo not happy'

Great idea :)

I'm liking it. Love the sideview of the fairy. and the giants eyes.

Both the side and back view look wicked, but i think the nose on the front view needs to slope downwards instead of straight out. But i cant wait to see the model.

Cool - any ideas on how he will evolve? Or is he the sidekick?

heh heh neat, love the big nose thing, looks very cartoony

he looks like one of those characters that are always in the news and stuff. I think they are made by Leunig or someone.

I was just thinking that. they have the big noses

Here's phase 2 of my characters evolution, and he's taking the EVIL path! He's more or less a mini clone of his master that can't think for himself and only knows how to cast attack spells.

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cmcmurr/mypic3.png[/img]

The third phase is still in progress, having trouble deciding on a look, but stay tuned. Will also be posting pics of his master.

Some early modeling for the first stage of my dudes evolution, no texturing yet. Roughly 500 Polys at the moment.

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cmcmurr/mypic8.jpg[/img]

Enjoy!

looking good man, have u done the third sketch yet? id like to see that cause youve got a intersting creature

I have something of a third sketch done, but I'm not entirely happy with it. Perhaps I should post it anyway and see what all you good Sumean folk think.

plus I need to sketch the trainer too, now there's a tricky one...

Arrghh it's Leunigs interpretation of the Grim Reeper.
We're all goin to die Arrggghhh!

[xx(]

lol!!! too right bullet21, does look like a leunig dosent it

as for trainer... maybe some sort of elder wizard looking guy? not like a watery tart in a starry robe but someone that looks a bit battered and yet slightly regal (as far as wizards go)

Quick update to keep me on the first page;) Here's an early model for the second evolutionary stage, you can probably tell I just copied and modified his head, but things will change I swear. Need hands too. By the way I've been dared to post the word 'dildo' on this forum, so here it is!

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cmcmurr/mypic9.jpg[/img]

Enjoy.

BTW I figured out what my inspiration for this character is, DISCWORLD! It dawned on me all of a sudden...

Anyone else played it? The old adventure game that is...

dont know about any old adventure games but im a mad fan of the Terry Pratchet books

get to work on them long evil claws! :P so far so good man, shoes could use a little more details then the simple triangular prism things they are now though...

Oh yeah definitely, the shoes grind me as they are.

I'd say modeling on these guys is about 95% done, depends on what work needs to be done on the last guy. Total poly count so far is just over 1500, which leaves me some room.

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cmcmurr/mypic10.jpg[/img]

Also, I finally got some inspiration tonight for the final phase, did some sketching, and will scan them in as soon as I can, so stay tuned.

It's rea;;y coming along nice to see you made the claws, and did you work on the shoes or does that angle make them look better :)
I also like how the evil one is skinny, EVIL PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS SKINNY AND SKINNY PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS EVIL............... like me muhuhhahahahahahhah!

interesting theory :P

now im thinking that the second evo could benifit from a bit more change, something small you could add like a staff or a nose peircing ( :P ) or something...

yeah, I think it would be good to give the second guy some kind of item to carry or wear, and that item could become more complex in the last evo. Or something like that.

They make me think of an evil wizard type dude.
Nice work BTW

As promised, here's the initial stage 3 concept, it's probably a little unclear cause of excess pencil strokes, but I'll do some work on it and fix it up later.

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cmcmurr/mypic13.png[/img]

does he have a really bad hunch?

good work, but you still need something more to differ them as he looks allmost the same as the second stage except hunched over

make his cape longer and torn.
could put lumps along his back to make it look like his spine is protruding.

just ideas.

It looks like your evo 2 but he is bigger and hunched. There are some definate changes required i mean like make him more distinguishable <--- Geez. i hope i spelt that right

Inglis, thanks for the spine idea, sounds good. Basically I see it that he's become so overburdened with the power that the pills have given him that he's collapsed under the pressure. Maybe I should make him more assymetrical...

Progress at last, been busy lately with other obligations, hope to get it finished on time.

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cmcmurr/mypic14.jpg[/img]

hah that looks cool man - i think it needs to be a bit more different than your other evolutions tho - try the spine idea of inglis's. At this stage it looks more like hes grown older and larger without any visually significant gains that scream " im the most powerful i can become, and im going to kick your ass if you touch my master ".....

neat, i suppose theres no real time for drastic changes so gw :D

That actually looks quite cool, a bit scary for youngins but still cool, i thought you quit though, anyhu good work.

cool. I love the pose - very evil looking! It is scary, but I think since it's the 3rd form (right?) that it's all good. Still make's me think of an evil wizard type guy. Looks like he's about to cast a spell or something. Very nice.

I definately like the first one (very pokemon like), it is a pretty good idea and all the evolution stages seem to be linked, but i have no idea wut the second one is (no offence [:)]) is it a flower of some sort.

Love the bat dude. w00t!

nofriendo! hahaha! i love it!

Don't forget the naming conventions for your threads. Post a new thread (showing your progress and final works), naming it like:

Sumea Challenge #5 -3D- Yourname

If you have any questions on the rules and guidelines above, please post it in this thread.

Obviously, this is a framework -- if there is a general consensus to have something changed, then we (the forum) can work something out.

Is it 1X512 texture sheet for all stages or 3X256 texture sheets(one for each stage of evolution)?

I think this needs to be clear because it says two different things in the brief.

Hi all,

This sounds like a very cool sumea competition and im sure everyone will enjoy doing it.

Good luck to all entrants and im sure we will see a number of great side kick characters.
It is also worth entering because there is a great prize for it and as usual it is a good portfolio work once it is completed.

good luck can't wait to see everyones entries.

Hey wow - nice open topic Jonathan. Cheers! Excellent write up as well.

I'm not sure it's a great idea to have an optional main character, maybe limit that to concept. ie. if you want to show the main character as well, include a concept (not a model).

Sounds great. (No guns! wOOt)

ooh, sounds like fun :)
*Dusts off "3d modelling for dummies"*

quote:Originally posted by JonathanKerr

CLOSING DATE: 1ST APRIL, 2004.

Closes on April 1st? Does that make this some kind of sick April Fools joke? [;)]

This is a great brief, made me laugh a bit too, cheers Jonathan [:)]

One thing I would like to see is some photosourcing allowed. There are many different sides to the debate about this. I'm not sure what other's opinions are here on Sumea, but from what I understand photosourcing is an important part of an efficent professional artist's job, so I wouldn't mind practising it.

I love this idea - I just hope I'm up to the challenge! Sounds like fun though [:)]

One thing I'm confused about though: 3 models, 1 of the original character, and two of the evolutionary states. So does this mean the two different possible evolution states (one good, one evil)? Or an example of how it would evolve (one blue pill, one red pill for example, or two red pills)?

I mean, with two of each pills, there a 4 different possibilities plus the original:
original -> blue -> blue, or
original -> blue -> red, or
original -> red -> red, or
original -> red -> blue.
- so are we supposed to pick one path and create each stage, or create 1 good, 1 evil, plus the original?

I like the idea that the optional main character should be limited to concept art... though I guess it really doesn't matter if it's just an optional part.

And I personally would like to see some photo sourcing allowed; since that's a skill I'm trying to develop.

Sounds like a nice challenging brief. I like Palantir's idea of being able to design a good version and a bad version, or just a three step evolution.

Looks like I'm going to have to watch more kids cartoons again to get style ideas :)

And for those who need some help
http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/

http://www.digibros.net/~digipedia/encyc/images/tankmon.jpg
haha, metal slug meets digimon. Cool resource aven.

Unforunately that site doesn't have Digimon 03 :( Here isone of the coolest characters from 03, just to show that you can still make a 'kiddy' design look cool.

http://www.juegosderol.cl/alianzas/index.php?action=viewprofile;user=be…

quote:Originally posted by palantir

I love this idea - I just hope I'm up to the challenge! Sounds like fun though [:)]

One thing I'm confused about though: 3 models, 1 of the original character, and two of the evolutionary states. So does this mean the two different possible evolution states (one good, one evil)? Or an example of how it would evolve (one blue pill, one red pill for example, or two red pills)?

I mean, with two of each pills, there a 4 different possibilities plus the original:
original -> blue -> blue, or
original -> blue -> red, or
original -> red -> red, or
original -> red -> blue.
- so are we supposed to pick one path and create each stage, or create 1 good, 1 evil, plus the original?

I like the idea that the optional main character should be limited to concept art... though I guess it really doesn't matter if it's just an optional part.

And I personally would like to see some photo sourcing allowed; since that's a skill I'm trying to develop.

You can do it how you want. I mean, you could evolve your creature in a good way and then evolve it with a bad pill so that all the features it gained in the previous iteration take on a twisted form and then some.

BTW - having looked at some of those digimon designs, should we drop the 'no guns' policy?

Also - are people okay with the poly counts?

I think that the 'no guns' policy should be dropped to something like 'no detachable guns'. ie the weapon should actually be attached to the creature.

The poly count seems fine, but I do have a little concern with the texture limit. The low res is to force people to make it more simplistic and cartoony right? Are you allowed to use a NPR renderer (Non Photo-realistic render. Cell shading)? Make it like the JSR and Warner Brothers games.

What do you think the texture limit should be? I meant to ask you to help out with the tech side of things for the brief, but I forgot. A 512 per model?

must resist urge to design something subversivly deviant~ will see if i can think of anything 'nightmarishly cute' that would work :))

I think that 512 would br a little more fair for each evolution. There really isn't much point asking me, I haven't made a low poly character in bloody ages :p

I still think that it would be cool if NPR renders are allowed. If they are, then 1x512 would be more than fine as you can get away with doing more simplistic flat texturing. You only need the texture space for faces and little decorations. Perhaps an option?

If NPR renders aren't allowed though, there is still another trick up my sleave ;)

quote:Also - are people okay with the poly counts?

I think they are fine, you set them, we do them, that is the nature of a competition, or a brief.

As for the texture limit of 1 x 256 each, I am also cool with that.

I recommend that no changes be made post the start of a comp, clarifications yes, but changes no.
Making changes to the basic structure after the start of a comp is bad form.
I don?t want to have to come back here every few days to make sure that any work I have done has not been rendered redundant by changes in the comp structure.
Once it?s out there, let it rest.

Pantmonger

I totally agree with pants; Let it rest.

For instance, I'm a firm believer of the no-photosourcing, but I also have to grudgingly live with the concept technical/visual quality not being judged.

The brief is set. Go to it. With 4 possible evolutions and 1 512x512 texture sheet that = 1 256x256 each evolution, with overlaps possible; that's more than enough.

Aven - just use the old flat shade and inverted poly trick if you want that look; use what's given in the brief [:)]

quote:Originally posted by JonathanKerr

What do you think the texture limit should be? I meant to ask you to help out with the tech side of things for the brief, but I forgot. A 512 per model?

Yes I think the texuture res would be very nice at 512 per character. 256 is very very small.

Polycount sounds very good to me, and with a highter texture res the challenage will be on the detail in the texture and saving them polys, kind of hi-end WC3 character or WOW character res :).

Usually we have a few days to comment and adjust the specs if needed (especially regarding the texture size, since no one would be up to that stage as of yet). So if enough of you want the texture sizes up to 512x512 each then I'm sure Jonathan will change it. I decided against photosourcing for this one because of the subject matter - doesn't seem appropriate to have realistic textures for these pokemon-ish models.
I know someone mentioned earlier that they didn't want a cute-ish model competition where all you'd do is stamp some balls on a sphere - let your imagination go nuts, people! You could decide to have fancy armour plates / mech armour, interesting animal / organism designs, wings, fur, weaponry etc.. it's just begging for some interesting models!

I too am looking forward to the designs in this comp.

The texture size has been adjusted to a 512 per character -- it seemed more people preferred that by the looks of things. I think it's a good idea if people include the main character as well as the sidekick in the concept art so we can see the two in context. The other one doesnt have to be modelled tho'.

That's the only change I've really made (texture size) and it's probably for the better. So no more changes from me!

so it's 3200 polys between 3 characters? that seems awfully low. a little over 1000 each. or have i misread it?

quote:Originally posted by LiveWire

so it's 3200 polys between 3 characters? that seems awfully low. a little over 1000 each. or have i misread it?

I don't think so, that what makes it a challenge :) and there is a lot you can do with a 1000 polys look at quake 3, characters are not much over a 1000 polys.

If your going to have around 1000 poly for the limit per version why not stay with the 256 per version limit too?
I work at 256 x 256 everyday and its tonnes especially for something that small and like Doord said it is a challenge right?.

But hey I probably won't enter, just stirring the proverbial crap. [:P]

quote:Originally posted by J.I. Styles

Aven - just use the old flat shade and inverted poly trick if you want that look; use what's given in the brief [:)]

Yeah. That's what I meant by I have something else up my sleave. I just thought I would ask about NPR renders, as the brief doesn't say that they aren't allowed.

I say we should have one 512 texture to use, so we can can use it for the largest creature so its not all blurry? and just 256 for the other two.

gah! just an idea

I think the limits in the brief are fine, its not called a challenge for nothin.

quote:Originally posted by LiveWire

so it's 3200 polys between 3 characters? that seems awfully low. a little over 1000 each. or have i misread it?

It's intentionally that way. Think about it - your first character might only be about 500 - 700 polys. Then your middle design might be about 900, that would still leave you with quite a few to play with.

Although you can do it anyway you want, in theory, your first creature will be smaller or less detailed -- perhaps the successive iterations will blow people away? Although, if you're really good, all three versions will knock peoples socks off.

There seems to be a fair bit of discussion about the texture size - I've changed it once (from 256 to 512) so I'm kinda reluctant to change it again. I suppose there's a fair bit of work in this challenge (3, maybe 4 designs) and the polycount is a lot less than previous challenges so the current texture limits kinda balance it out a bit, I think. I mean, if it were completely tough all the way, it would feel more like a chore than a challenge.

Also, with the 512 per creature limit, it brings up the question: "Who's going to use their texture maps the best?" We're all on the same page, so now the challenge is not only in furthering ourselves, but in pushing each other. And for some, it might be about actually finishing a challenge for a change (I'm one of these).

To order the rest of my motivational speeches, send extra RAM or chicken and cheese sandwiches to:

Jonathan Kerr
Sumeacity
Plot 31.

*shoots Jon in the head*

ooh, you meant ideas not guns!!

Well, going on that "nintendo kiddy" idea, how about design a pokemon monster. I have always enjoyed those designs. Plus they would be fairly simple to do.

Another idea would be "Weapons Master" Design an old, wise looking warrior who has spent many years mastering the many techniqeus of his chosen weapon. Doesnt have to be a warrior, could just enjoy usning the weapon. Obvisouly, you would have to design/model the weapon.

Pirates, they are always fun *shrugs*

And finally, it was mentioned awhile ago, but we could possibly do this in teams. *cough* since I cant model *cough*

I had a bit of a think. How about,

Personify yourself as a God.
Basically, you have been honored to become a God. What would you be the God of? This should really be something that is related to your personality more than a representation of a physical thing. ie, the God Of Happiness as opposed to something like the God Of Death. This has the ability to suit both people who want to make a big warrior, and those who want to make someone a little more somber and less cliched. The God should also look somewhat like you (photos should be produced :) ). You wont be put down for either your physical appearance or your artistical skills. Obviously, if you wanted to make yourself buffer, that is cool, but you should look somewhat like you do now. Decisions should also bee made as to if you want to live in the real world (more realistic clothing), or some other plane.

Just a thought.

I like Makk's idea of the Weapon Master. It could possibly be broadened to include all martial forms (Tai Chi, and so on).

The team idea should be given good thought. It would be nice to see some 2D artists (like Makk), flexing their texturing skills :D

Weapon Master is very cool - I'd quite like to do this but I guess I was harping on in the other thread about doing less aggressive concepts so I dunno...

The Pokemon idea was sorta along the lines I was thinking of too. Perhaps as part of that challenge could be to create 1.) A concept 2.) An illustration showing a range of attacks or the 'defining' features of the creature -- ie 'growing twice its size etc 3.) 3d model 4.)A card with the specs of the creature with a wee write up and mock stats.

The god idea is pretty cool. It could be tweaked to be yourself as a superhero/Xman. Not necessarily aggressive. Show your power and your alignment.

I'd like to see some more conceptual stuff in this challenge -- I keep hearing how traditional drawing skills are so important so perhaps incorporating some sort system like this into the challenge. Concept Design, Sketches, 3d with wires etc, Textures, Money Shot would make up the criteria. This gives guys like myself and other 2d artists a shot at competing on a good level with guys like (off the top of my head) Malus, Aven and JI Styles (among others) who have a broad spectrum of skills. It also puts those who lean more towards either one of 2d or 3d on even footing to compete with others. Or maybe I don't know what I'm talking about -- the point of the challenges is to challenge yourself, but I detect a bit of reticency in both 2d artists who cant do 3d and 3d artists with not-so-developed 2d skills. Those who can do both well reap the benefits of having put practice into both disciplines but (I think) I'm getting at that the criteria should have an equal number of 2d and 3d aspects (say three each).

I'm babbling.

I've just completed Knights of the Old Republic (light side max) and I was thinking how cool it would be to take a concept for this competition and make an 'evil' as well as a 'good' version of the character or topic.

Jonathan, the Good/Evil thing isn't too shabby an idea, but there are a few people just starting to get involved with the whole 3D thing, so it would be best not to throw too many people into the deep end. Plus I haven't made a low poly character since the first year AIE course (man I'm gonna be rusty :D). The idea of 2D and 3D teams could also help some people out. I'm sure that some of then newer people learning to model would love to have the help from someone like Mr. Kerr or Makk with design and drawing.

Another more varied character idea.

Create a character for an MMORPG. If you would want to play as a warrior, that is cool. If you want to be a merchant, great. If you want to be some fantasy Pimp, then even better :D I guess that a game would have to be picked to keep the style consistant (Everquest, Linage, Star Wars Galaxies, World Of Warcraft, so on), or it could be made freestyle.

I think it was Doord who suggested this many aeons ago - but how about a challenge where the entrants find some reference art and they have to create a level/character/mech etc that is done in the style of that game. ie - show some pics of cloud, sephiroth and design a character for the FFVII universe - try and draw the concept in the style of the concept artists. Then create a model (for the battle part of the game) that would fit into the game. Alternatively, you could do something simpler like Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh! or you might decide to try and copy Yoji Shinkawa's brush pen style and design a character to fit into the Metal Gear Solid universe. Other examples might include: Mario, Halo, KOTOR, Viewtiful Joe, Shenmue, HalfLife2, Crash Bandicoot, Ty the Tiger or some other Australasian teams game and so on. If you're trying to get work in an Australasian company - what better way to show that you can do what they're doing!? (dont quote me on that tho')

You would be expected to provide:

1. 3 examples of the existing concept art so that judges can compare what you're trying to emulate.
2. create a concept that meshes well (ie looks like the original concept artists work) and fits into the universe. No copying the poses! If the artist uses a brush pen, you should too. Likewise for pen and ink, Manga or whatever medium the artist is known for.
3. a model that fits the universe with similar specs to the game. Could this mean that 2d artists could create a sprite? If you're fitting something into the DoomIII universe, make sure you use some normal maps. Viewtiful Joe or JSRF - get that cel-shading down fool! Texture accordingly.
4. (optional) If the topic choice is a sprite or some extremely low poly character -- do a 3d version of the model to competiton (standard) specs. This is to stop all you funny guys and gals out there from doing a Pong sprite. You know who you are...
5. Money Shot - 1.) of your character in a suitable environment 2.) Put your character in the game. Eg - find a screen shot (decent sized at least 800X600) and make your character look seamless in it. There are many numerous ways to do this... use your noggin.

I think this is a pretty good idea (not just coz I thought of it -- hold on, Doord thought of this. Don't tell him) although I think there's only one thing that I can think of that might hold it back - how would you compare a Pokemon emulated design and low poly Pokemon Stadium character against a Doom 3 character? That's why I put in No4 - create a model based on a standard specification. So even if you do decide to do a sprite (not that many will), you still gotta attempt a 3d model like everyone else.

Contestants judged on:
1. Design of character (unrelated to technical expertise)
2. How well it fits in the universe.
3. Copying of artistic style.
4. The usual 3d criteria (model, texture, poly usage)
5. Moneyshot/Fake Screenshot.

This type of brief has been ran before on other forums - cgchat iirc; not too keen on the open brief idea like that.

I don't particulary like the 'adopt someone else's style either'. I have always felt that the reason for running these comps is for people to further their own style.

The cutsie idea is cool, but I don't know if a Pokemon is the best thing to make. Half of the Pokemon designs are just balls with eyes. There are only so many people who could make Ballachu :p If you wanted to do something like that, you should perhaps have a look into Digimon. People could have to design the evolution of their own Digimon partner. Maybe just make it four levels. All the little monsters start off as balls with eyes and then start going up from there. When you start evolving it, you can chose to make a girly mon that will be cuter (or sexier as is mainly the case), or one of the more male oriented ones (a big grisly monster with massive cannons all over it). If this idea were to be done, it would be best to go for season 1,2 or 3 style evolutions. Stay away from season 4 (Digimon Frontier), as they start turning humans into digimons and the show was just crap :)

Otherwise xyz's original idea of a flying creature/character is a fairly good one.

Cute Kiddy Funny

Can't every body just get along??

The evolution idea is pretty good - it could be interpreted in either kiddie or 'adult' form.

Perhaps design a character and then do 2 or 3 successive iterations. OR (and this would be kinda cool) -- Souri finds a number of pictures of say 'anything' then everyone has to do 3 evolutions from that. It'd be cool to see all the different 'evolutions' from 1 original idea. Even if it were something as simple as a turtle or a carrot. A vege-mon, if you will.

Some great ideas here(I like the god one), cute kiddy not being one of them in my opinion :/ if that happens I guess I can skip this comp.

I think the best idea would be for Souri to give the topic to one of the people who finished the last challenge, as a prize. Maybe Ninja, or Joel. Someone that can come up with something finishable by the timeframe (taking into account most people have jobs and little spare time in which to do overly elaborate things).

One cute character, with a 10-15 sec animation. Easy, fast, room for you mind to go wild and surly very funny.

with animation is a different story..

Still, I have a fairly big project lined up that is going to eat my spare time like a family of fat people at an all you can eat restaurant..

The topic is really going to have to inspire me to get me going.

Shit I missed this thread well anyway:

Even though I havent bothered with these comps (Although I will one day in the distant future) How about architecture, like a castle, houses , buildinggs etc set in a scene. If you've played morrowind that has some very creative work, especially the buildings of House telvani which are organic, they are like twisted trees with seed pods or fruit that house all the rooms etc etc. I think the theme should be open to any sort of setting and you should be able to show either internal or external and it should be something that can be displayed in real time. Maybe a polycount of around 15000.

Another suggestion I have is for a nature scene (No Bryce models arent allowed) that has to show off certain things like a body of water, grass and shrubs, trees and maybe one or two man made objects if you like. I also think having a weather effect like rain, snow, a flood, a drought etc in the scene should be mandatory.

What do you all think?

i like the idea of picking something then everyone making there own evolved versions from it, that would be really interesting to compare and people have enough room for variation yet you can still judge them against each other

Fluffy, good ideas, but I'd say those are more level design.. Maybe it's something souri can make a seperate challenge about.

I think we should try to keep it fairly simple. Not too much work that it gets time consuming and nobody finishes.

I liked the suggestion for some form of industrial machinery/mech. How about a mech for cutting down trees, with the briefing including a scale image of the trees to be cut down in scale to a human.

HMMM Ok then, a tree, simple enough, not something that you model every day.
How about vehicles?

If we're doing mechs, robots and the like - why not create your own Transformer! (PS - if you wanna apply at Melbourne House, I'm sure this could be a cool thing to do). Include the vehicle and robot form - it'd be a good challenge to make a design that 'works'.

To Fluffy: could you be more specific about 'vehicles'? What sort of vehicles? Futuristic? Archaic? Organic? Automotive?

Pretty sure they'd be full of guys doing transformer models myself. [:P]

I have to agree with Bob on this one. It would be best if either Souri or a previous winner choses the subject. This may sound a little Nazi-ish, but their word should be final, if you don't like the topic then you don't have to participate this time around. You can just wait for the next time. After all, there really isn't anything stopping people working on their own ideas :) Between this thread and the other one, plenty of ideas have been surfaced. Let's just get one up and going :D

i agree that the job should be given to one person only, i?m doubtful that anything will be decided otherwise, but more importantly it?s good practice to work outside your comfort zone and to work on something that you wouldn?t normally do but still put your all into it. it?s good practice for work and will give you something different then all your other stuff in your showreel.
and as Aven said you can do your own thing whenever you want.

This is just a thread for suggestions - in the end it will be up to one person, just like it was last time (Malus?). I find it unlikely that one person could have come up with as many ideas as people so far have.

Agreed -- if you don't like it, you don't have to enter.

Yeah, this thread is just an ideas thing, there is no possible way that everyone will want to do the same thing.

Just a little side qusetion are poeple here scared doing animation??

Tee hee - that sounds like a 7 year old trying to get someone to shoplift. "Do it man! Are you scaaaaared?!"

Animation is probably not everyone's strong suit (it's certainly not mine) but a.)lack storage space and b.)This is a *modelling* comp would probably suitable excuses as well.

As Jonothan said, this is a modelling challenge. The first time I saw, it I was supprised to see that texture maps were a requirement (although mapping is fairly closely linked to modelling - displacement, bump). Animation would properly work best as a different challenge.

Another idea to throw around.

Mage
Not your typical wizard or sorcerer. Something that hasn't been seen before. A school of magic that isn't known. JI has a good example with his Quick Activity. Again, the mage doesn't have to be agressive. They can be rather placid and use their powers to aid others. Doesn't have to be human, doesn't have to be fantasy.

I don't think people are scared of animation, just that its time consuming to first model, texture, rig then animate and peoples interest generally wanes alot on these comps.

Its hard enough geting 5 people to finish modelling let alone animating, man I'm notorious for it on these comps lol.

Maybe setup a seperate animation comp? Give out a generic model and let everyone go nuts.

I do like the animation challenge idea, but like what has been said, it'll have to be part of another challenge..

It might be nice to try something different this time round than doing the one detailed model. Cute character with 5 steps of evolution, or a team of models (could include a vehicle as well) with different capabilities (ala RTS game - someone mentioned this idea for a previous challenge). It won't be five times the amount of work though with lower polycounts and texture sizes for each model.. anyway, more suggestions!

How about this for a RTS challenge.

Pick a type of RTS game. Fantasy based, Futuristic, Alien, Curent Military, Current SWAT. You get the idea.

Create a list of two to three dozen different units. Soldiers, Mages, Builders, Tanks, Flying Units. People can pick five or so, design how they think a 'heavy armoured rocket tank' should look, and then make the models for them. This will hopefully add a bit of spice and variety.

The squad idea is very cool as well.

I suppose you've got something made already, eh? Insert winky smiley here.

Good call tho' -- when is the next one? Souri? Should this be the beginning of suggestions for the next comp?

We've had so far: Feng Zhu interpretation, Rider and Steed, Demon Overlord. Have I missed any?

So are we able to start posting up suggestions? I think it is a fair guess that this would be for the low poly comp?

I was actually going to make a bird recently for a Christmas card for my girlfriend. 'On the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to me. A Partridge in a pear tree...' Time has gotten the better of me though :(

Good suggestion though xyz.

Actually a bird wouldn't be that bad an idea, or at least a bird like creature. I have first dibs on a prehistoric bird man!! [:P]

sure pick the one thing i cant draw, let alone model :P (well that and horses)

Sometime early next year would be the plan for the next modeller challenge, I think... Say mid-January.

yeah sweet.. a bird would be cool, good one Xyz. Or maybe just a flying creature. Come on lets get the comp started

mid-January?????????

Well, nows as good a time to start as any - I really liked that challenge thing from Thunderdome. Cool set up. Plus, I think that directly challenging someone would bring out the greater competitive spirit in most people.

As long as the other person keeps on posting.... hint hint Camper :D

lol. I've been working on it. I'd probably have the first 2 done if I didn't keep changing Designs XD. I'd like to be involved in the next 3D challenge but unfortunitly I can't run any 3D programs ATM, but I'll try and find a way.

Paper mache and a digital camera! :D

I think that some of the challenges that are being thrown around in TD7 would make some sweet modelling comp ideas. I especially like the 'Tactical Sniper' duel. That just screams out cool looking character model :D

Let's do something kiddy!

@jonathan, you mean demented evil kiddy, or nintendo cute kiddy??

Nintendo kiddy. Something different - like a level or something.

Ok, give me some more proposals, and I'll see what everyone likens to most.

Here is the base of the TD7 thread.
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=48

Some good ones are:

Futuristic Mythological Creature
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15154

Ceremonial Gunship. This could be because I just love Panzer Dragoon Orta though :)
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15423

Bad Arse Alien Hunter/Warrior
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15283

Tactical Sniper.
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15150

Samurai or Shinobi.
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15106

Secret Weapons of WWII. May be a little too open ended though.
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15126

There is also one about the Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse, but rider and steed has already been done.

Othereise anything Victorian era themed would make a nice change :)

quote:Originally posted by Souri

Ok, give me some more proposals, and I'll see what everyone likens to most.

Although i've got books on max 3 and 4 now and i can model (But my damn copy of Max 5 isnt working [:(]) i thought how about a demon lord, a violent destructive demon lord, or a biological creature. Or like previously suggested, a cute thing like a little fluffy wuffy puppy.

Oh and Souri how well are you known by Australian/New Zealand game studios. You must be known a fair bit, i mean you setup all these competitions and give up your spare time (Some of it anyway [:P]) to run a great site for the fellow Australians and New Zealanders.

Although I'll participate in whatever is decided upon - I think there have been too many 'warrior'//aggressive type characters. If something aggressive is voted upon, I think we need some sort of 'restrictions' that force people to think outside the square more.

Eg - spaceship with no wings and not made of steel. A martial arts warrior who doesn't wear formal training gear (gi or otherwise).

In all seriousness, I'm not really wanting to do a kiddie type challenge but it'd be good to have a challenge that encourages people to expand from the 'aggressive' mindset.

What have you got in mind, Souri?

Hmmm... very interesting thought there and it sparked my mind

How about a physic warrior, almost like (If anyone has played it, im sure they have) StarCrafts protoss race, physic warriors in heavy sort of armour with shields.

Im not saying Blizzards best game should be the base, but something similiar to the protoss race. Just for those who have never seen or heard of the game, here are two images of the protoss, physic based warriors. Here [url]http://www.blizzard.com/ghost/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=37&Set=2[/url] and here [url]http://www.blizzard.com/ghost/ScreenShot.aspx?ImageIndex=39&Set=2[/url].

Overall i think a physic warrior should be interesting too see what people come up with. Some people might make them using their physic abilities with swords etc.. or make the physic warrior an alien, human and whatnot.

Just a suggestion but something i would love too see.

I completely agree with Kerr on this - How about we stay away from the cliches?

No warriors, no demons, no boobs-&-boots.

Here's a few ideas -
[B)] Environment - your take of an island with one "natural" feature (eg, volcano, giant tree, carved mountain etc). Restrictions would be 4k polys and 2 1024x1024 texture sheets (view distance would be god-view type of thing, you wouldn't be running around on this thing in first person).
[B)] Props - something challenging; maybe a bonsai tree, or umm... garden gnomes?
[B)] Working bots - A robot that is specifically built for a task - it needs to show exactly what that task is and how it does it. Design is a big thing with this, with working hydraulics and be feasibly designed (eg, point out where it gets it's power, what each bits purpose is etc).
[B)] Cute - someone mentioned something along these lines and I like this idea. Spin on it comes from the brief which is to make your vision of cuteness. It may be a puppy, a fantasy avatar of cuteness, or a person smiling [:)]

Anyways, there's a few ideas - i'd just really like to see us do something unique and not the cliche topics covered hundreds of times in the past.

I started asking some friends at work about this (they love games). The biggest suggestion was 'A Porn Character'. Joking around more, another guy and I came up with 'A Fruit/Veg Inspired Superhero'. He said he would be Telegraph Cucumber Man.

I like the idea of a less cliched design. Maybe it should be decided what people want to model first. Characters? Mechs/Robots? Scenes/Environments? Vehicles?

I like the idea of JI's Props idea. Making a cool looking low poly Bonsai Tree would rock :D

Since no one else is going to say it.

How about genitals, everybodys favourite!

Now thats sarcasm [:D]

How about not? Heh.

Fruit and Veg inspired superhero is actually pretty cool. Everyone could do it the Rareware way - take something and add eyes to it: http://www.uncleclive.co.uk/index.html#TOP Scroll down to developer tips.

quote:Originally posted by JonathanKerr

Let's do something kiddy!

Yes I would be up for that. I have been trying to work out a character for a few one frame comics.

Jump over to the other thread Doord - chip in with some ideas.

do you have some sort of concept to show of it or a description of what it is?

ooh! looks nice, but what will the rest of him gonna look like though?

Nice model so far, but I'm interested in seeing a concept. I don't believe that good design works 'backwards' but drawing a concept to fit a mesh.

Not that I'm saying you've done that, I just think the best designed characters/levels/games etc start on paper first. More of a thought than anything else.

i have a concept and also an low res version of the model ;)

Very nice classic Villian, but did he usually carry around a massive cleaver.

this concept is freakin cool !!! [:)] ehee i can just imagine him animated with a nutty expression [:D]

YEAH, and his mostache would unroll like a party whistle (or whatever they're called)...

i like it. If you don't model him up, at least colour him in =D

cheers

sweet concept. he would look very nice if completely modelled and animated.

i hope you get to make him one day.

Nice concept :)

here are some shots of the start of my model, they are very preliminary i?m just trying to get the basic shape at the moment, then i?ll put in the detail
i?m not going to start the jacket till i?ve joined the model because it?s so asymmetrical

[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~mfilippelli/vill01.jpg[/img]
[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~mfilippelli/vill02.jpg[/img]
[img]http://members.optusnet.com.au/~mfilippelli/vill03.jpg[/img]

Looking vey cool so far. He is going to look awesome when completely made.

Hehe... he looks freaky! I love it.

Good concept = Half the battle won. Good start on the model too.