Sumea Modeller Challenge

Ok got most of my ideas out about what I wanted. So hear is my concept:

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Like most people I'm going with the boss type.
I'll write more when I can be bothered [|)]
I'll also get some color on the concept if I get all the main things done first.. you know.. modelling.. textureing.. that kinda thing [;)]

Very nice Pete. Is he some kind of circus freak? or was? I love the drawing. Nice work

Schlumppy

yeah, really good concept, so much for his digestive system

This reminds me why i don't play survival/horror games, too scary.

Though the unicorn/dragon in his guts is kinda cute :p (maybe i've been working too late)

lookin nice pete

I had no idea what you were talking about so I went into my file and zoomed in.. and sure enough there was the little fella, man you have good eyes.

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haha, my god you have insane eyes! or maybe mine are getting heeps bad.

I like were your going with the concept, I like the ribcage.

Is that muscle? as in no skin? If so, sweet [:)]

ooo... cool dude. he's happy!

Nice, I don't think you will have problem with the chains there is not that many. What is he holding and what is with the little dude on his shoulder. I personally would delete the both of then and give him a riding crop. This will free up more polys for the chain.

Thanks for the comments guys.

Dan(Schlumppy): Not realy a freak but just a circus clown his just had a realy bad few months.. you know flesh eating disease's.. zombies who couldn't find anything else to eat.. you know that kinda thing..

Triton: again top work on the eye sigh.

Denz: yeah his mostly muscle like I said flesh eating disease. I'll probably add a bit of muscle and cartilage around the dogs joints as well.

Doord: Yeah the chains shouldn't be to much of a problem. The thing on his Shoulder and the thing his holding are the same thing. I belive its called a Jack in a box which is so much cooler then a riding crop [:p]

Just a quick update on how the modelling is going.
not realy much to crit on because there is going to be a heap of Tri's cut out then start the fun of twisting it around and putting holes in it etc.

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cool idea... very 'bungle'.....
modelling is coming along well too..

Oooh, very nice indeed USF, It reminds me of pennywise from IT without sharp teeth. I better hurry up and draw my orthographic concept so i can get modelling.

Great work mate.

very cool, a lot of character to it. (and tojo i think i might actually listen to bungle know in the hope of rapid synopsis or whatever).

Base of the head is pretty much done which is 800 Tri's
I still might optimise it a little more. Then I can keep it at about that count After I add in the other details. that will be the next step. So yeah his what I'm up to:

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can't really fault em :) nice work.

wow that looks really impressive! love your style

Nice modelling so far man. Love the way you model. Great stuff!!

Man this is gonna be a hard competition. Hope to see more in the near future.

JD

very nice work, 800 tris for that?, if only i could model that efficiently. looking forward to the body

Thanks for the comments guys.

I'm going to be slowing down progress for a bit for a number of reasons:

A. My computer was hit with a Virus last night and has managed to screw up a few thing. Those of you who I talk to on MSN.. well I won't be on for a few days..

B. Its party time at the house hold.. well its my Pa's 80th B'day! So lots of family.. should be good times..

(kicks computer)

Conundrum: The first post I put up was 800 Tri's which was just the head. after a few bits its now 850. the head + Jack in a box (whole thing is done) is now 1800, also did that nasty hook so up to about 1850.

Anyways I guess I'll be back in a few days!
Happy modelling!

pity, i was enjoying this one :(

By popular demand well... because MoonUnit was enjoying himself here. I have my machine back up and working. Virus realy realy suck.

Anyways going to get back into it..

woo go me and my idiotic persistance!

Not heaps happy about the body look so far but it will come togeather when I get some more done:
Currently just under 2200

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looks great :)

yeah its certainly looking good, very nice representation of your concept. you mentioned you weren't happy with the body, one suggestion ive got is that you should maybe try spreading the shoulders a bit to open up the chest, as it looks quite crunched right now.

Just another WIP with how things are going:
Tri count is: 2800

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Looking good, the shoulders are well done. How did you do it?

Pretty much the way I modelled the whole thing, grabbing edges and shift copying them re-shaping the model till I get what I want.

Hey Pete, I just as well post it here. Very nice start.

- Your character has very cartoon like arms, view the model from the front and the bicep curves to much.
- The shoulder drops down into the upper arm making it look like a plate of armour.
- The upper arm (bicep area) is very long and huge, I think it is because the there is no side of the arm it is all bicep before some how is becomes a triceps.
- The neck looks very thin compared to the size of the arms.

But the polycount so far is looking good and the little dude is very cool.

Could we get a side shot or a back shot to see what is going on back there is doesn't look right from the front but it is hard to tell why.

Heres a sketch of the stickman, mainly for the proportions, the head is very rough and im not that happy with it.
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probably moving too fast, but ive got heaps of free time, so here is my first modelling test, i was looking for some crits about whether its a decent start as im pretty new to game model work.
thanks
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i dont know much about how well your doing for a game model but its damn impressive to be this far into it allready!

Great model, especially for a first attempt, but the only thing is, i think you may have a bit of trouble getting it to 8000 poly's, it seems you've got most of the character done and there's not that much detail in you concept. But other than that it's a great start.

yeah i see what you mean, i was thinking i might redo the concept and then subdivide the model then work at that level of detail. Lots of time though so i maight just use this one as some practice and if it doesn't work, try something else.
thanks for the reply

If you want to add more polies round off any limbs so they are nice and round and smooth. Adding a nicely detialied eyes/mouth would look really cool. Give him a massive tongue!

had a crack at modelling it at the next level of subdivision and this is waht ive got so far, the polycount is 3204, any comments and crits would be great
thanks
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YEAH!!! I like this guy! more more!

haha, looks really cool!

I was told that generally if a character has 'x' amount of toes, in your case 3, he should have the some amount of fingers. Or vice versa. 4 fingers then 4 toes. Though it's up to you.

Another thing is since his legs are so long, maybe you could consider adding in a second knee joint to make it more stick insecty like what you wanted.

still, coming along sweet!

I stand corrected about the getting it to 8000 poies thing ;), but you are going along very well great job. It's looking heaps better.

I bet all the girls like him ;)

Looking very cool. My only complaint so far is that his hands are very flat. Seeing as though it is a WIP, I'm sure they wont stay that way :)

Wow, 2 days into the challenge and you're this far along. I haven't even had time to think up a decent concept and you're half way through your model. Excellent work Conundrum! While you're working away at him/it, think of a history behind his creation to further his character. I'm likin' what I'm seein'.

Quote HazarD: "more, more!"

damn, thats turning out really great, a true horror character :D

Hehe, love his face, coming along well, give him some teeth, real sharp ones!

There's always room for more spikes...

Looking awesome
please correct me if I'm wrong but it realy doesn't look like 3204 Tri's I think its double that. Add a edit mesh on it and then do you poly count. Like I said I might be wrong it just doesn't look like 3000 to me.

Yeah it does look a lot higher than that, especially in the hands, they're quite dense.

yeah, sorry about that. its 3186 quads, so it ends up about 6372 tris at this stage, thanks for all the replies

bit of a slow day today, ive mainly only worked on the head, as you can see ive removed the lower jaw and made the sides of the mouth into large fangs/tusks, as a result i will probably leave rest of the mouth empty as, with the tusks, nose and more teeth it will look overly cluttered. as usual c&c is appreciated
thanks
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you have a crap load of polys in the hands (particually the palms) which you dont need and not many in other areas. need to distribute them a bit better.

yeah, ive noticed that too, i will probably build all the detail i can into the model, then go back and refine it, but your right about the hands being the main problem
thanks

i just wanted to see which of these triangulated (think thats the word[?]) is the best from a game model point of view, the first is 6446 polies and the second is 6354. sorry about the file size.
thanks
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Nasty. Very nice. Reminds me of the shadow feinds in the manga movie Ninja Scroll. You cold give it some objects like it had killed and kept the spoils. skulls or a pink umberella to get back to the survival horror theme and make it macbre. A t-shirt that says I love the wiggles covered in blood.

I find this high res concept problematic. Often using mesh smooth / triangulate or hsb modifiers, doesn't really help you or the model. I think someone mentioned this. You really have to think nurbs or sub divisions right from the start, which is another ball game.

heres an update on the whole model, ive given it some scraps of clothing to humanise it a bit, plus a backpack for its lunchbox etc.
thanks
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lol personally id go without any clothing on the chest and back, if any then minimal. I dont think this guy carries his lunch, he goes hunting for it ;)

It looks good so far, but ill be picky.

I know you have 8500 odd tri's to work with here, but I can see so many polygons used that arent actually helping define the models surface.

The model is a great design, but the mesh could be built and look no different with less than half of the count you have at the moment.

Look at the area on the backs of his arms, there are hundreds of tri's there that arent actually adding any detail, or going to be used for deformation.

I'd have to agree with Moonunit, the cloth isn't as good as the hunkering beast it was before. [:)]

alright, i have a new question, when making texture flats, does the uv map have to be a whole unwrap of the object or can i select individual polies and uv map all the different parts of the model individually, i will of course still make it within the 2x 512 limit.
ps-im using lightwave.

sorry about posting so much, but here's the background of it.

The story begins several years ago when a government funded research project is trying to create a hybrid of metal and bone, for obvious military reasons, but also to help the rejuvenation of bone and cartilage in people who have severely broken bones and other such problems. This is where the real ordeal begins; in order to properly test the effectiveness of the treatment, the bone hybrid is merged with a sinew which is artificially developed from stem cells. The experiment is a complete success with the two merging much faster than anticipated. Unfortunately the scientists underestimated the versatility speed at which that number of stem cells can develop, before long they have begun to develop into a mixture of the many animals they were taken from (each chosen for their physical attributes which directly corresponds to their cell development and growth). This creature grows and advances swiftly then develops a taste for the bones from which it originated. Unfortunately the scientists fear to destroy the abomination as it will negate all of their research. Instead they feed its hunger with all the bone hybrids they had created so far. Finally the inevitable happens; they run out of bone to sustain it; one by one the researchers are torn apart by the monster which devours their bones while discarding the flesh and sinew.

This is when we go back to present time and a group from an unknown organization is investigating the abandoned research centre, which resides in a now empty region. As the team first enters the facility they are hit by the putrid smell of something rotting. As they delve deeper they are confronted with the source of stench, lining the walls and floor of the corridors and rooms are piles of human flesh and muscle, with no skeletons to be seen?

Eek, never use subdivide when you're making low poly models. Especially don't use triangle based subdivide, it'll make your character nightmarishly difficult to work with. Always try and work with quads. You get a cleaner, easier to rig and animate mesh and it makes modelling a hell of a lot easier too.

As was mentioned earlier, theres a lot of polygons in there that you don't need at the moment which will make things harder to work with. If I was you, I'd go through and strip as many out as possible at this stage while you haven't got all that much detail on him and then just cut in the edges that you actually need.

All that said, I really like your model. He looks kind of like a tree monster to me with those long spindly arms and huge branch like hands. perhaps you could work in some gnarled branches and leafy alpha plains to soak up some of your excess polygons.

heres a tiny adavancement, ive been working pretty slowly cause im happy with the overall body shape and im just refining it. So far i have added a bit of deformation to the creature and detailed the arm to make it substantially smoother. I also worked how to remove those pesky polies, so now the problem with the bck of the arms,palms and eyelids is ealt with. now its just a case of how to use the remaining 2000 tris.
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another sketch, just sortof working on the idea and making sure i like the character.

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Hes supposed to be something of a telepathic robotic and chemically enhanced human being, so im trying not to have the zombie look and more of a agile constantly tormented being. Hes basicly a warrior for a group of cultists. Theres more to it then that but id like to work on it a bit more...

oh and i know im not being all that uniform with his decoration but that dosent matter, when i model him ill just do the basic human form and then mirror it over, once ive mirrored it then ill do all of his pipes and bolts.

keep going till you get one you like is my method :P i like this concept sooooooo much more then the other ones, i know its basicly the same guy but the proportions and such are better.

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once ive named him its going to be something normal like damien or josh, because i want him to be a character that given different circumstances you could allmost feel sorry for. But unfortunatly under the circumstances your to busy feeling sorry for yourself as hes trying to kill you ;) hed be present in a more fast paced game like devil may cry...

EDIT: coloured version:

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i just decided to colour it roughly, im pleased with the results, i think the next thing is to make some orthographics probably... i might spend some time on designing the different decorations though... well see :)

i like the way the first two are hunched over, i rekon he would look much more freaky comming at you like that.

I agree ? he looks cool hunched over ? though the proportions are better with the latest one.
He should be fun to model

He?s almost a bit like Freddy Kruger meets an Uruk Hai meets the borg! I like! My only suggestions would be maybe give him a bit more muscle? Maybe. And possibly some hair?

Hey, that first one, the pose kind of looks like he?s doing the Michael Jackson crotch grabbing pose! [:P]

the pose on the last one is ofcourse changable, it was the proportions i was working on. I can allways make him hunched for the money shot ;)

actually i was thinking about giving him dredds or similar (tubes.. or something) but i dont trust my ability to make those look right like they are hanging loose. Other then that i think hair would look out of place.
oh and just because hes a tormented robotonized enhanced being dosent mean he dont like a little dancing ;)

i think it may look better with the mechanical parts centered in an area, right now they seem quite sparse throughout the model and having something like a mechanical thigh or upperarm might help solidify all the parts youve got, hopefully that made sense.

i rekon huge genetically pump up muscles would bee cool, just make sure it has huge veins runing through them to match!

i agree that the mechanical aspec could be taken further too, do some really trippy stuff, you have 8000 or so polys to play with so go nuts i say.

it would be scarier if u took off his cod piece :S

looking good might work out better if u modeled him hunched over. imo

I think Palantir was onto a good thing with the Michael Jackson crotch grab call, although we are all surviving that horror!

I like the blindfold on your character. It gives an impression of him knowing something we don't (being psychic and all). I think the hunched over idea is a unanimous favourite but hey, it's your character.

Keep up the good work.

hmmm point well made, i might take his mechanical aspect a bit further, im not sure about entirely robotonising a limb though, as thats the focus of his left arm anyway...

i also might work a bit more on the scariness, im realising that whilst my character has a great sense of drama about him, he could be more freaky...

Maybe you should just focus on robotonising that left limb then? It kind of looks like it needs more of a mechanical section that builds up to the claws. As it is now, they just kind of abruptly come out of his flesh, with little build up to the weapon bit ? if you know what I mean.

I don?t know, it?s just a suggestion. [:)]. I?m interested to see how you develop him.

ok ive done my robot and ive done my survival horror research and ive... changed him somewhat. The drill is attatched to the back of his right shoulder, an addition to help with the cultists mining operations, mining into evil tombs ofcourse but mining none the less :D his leg might be changed a bit or something... im not sure just yet.

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Looking better Moony. My only suggestion is to thicken up his metal implants a lot more. If he is used for heavy duty mining, then you will want some heavy duty mining equipment. His knee and wrist joints look very weak.

yeah, thats coming along well, i agree about thickening the leg though, keep it up

ur right the joints do look kinda weak.. its damn hard to find good robot reference.
when i actually think about it perhaps he dosent need a drill for mining, perhaps he just has a great big spikey thing because its a horror game and thats what happens :P to go with story or to go without...

EDIT: had a think about it and i dont reckon i like the latest, ill probably keep with the face additions but i might de-robotilize the leg and im pretty sure ill remove the drill, the mining idea makes his claws seem stupid so im reverting back to the "hes a goon with a bit of a story" thing. I still want something more to balance out the design, preferably on his right shoulder, something robotic... ill have to work on it but this should be the last stage before the modelling begins (i hope..)

Its not really anything to write home about but since i finished working for the evening i figured id post an update. Ive been trying again and again to figure out how to properly complete this guy, im not sure i like the robot parts looking so futuristic and i want to add more and remove some etc etc etc...
i was trying to do all this so i could make some orthographic views to model with, now im saying to hell with it and just modelling as a go along, hopefull itll get itself sorted.

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ive just roughed out the head and started working on the mouth, as most of the facial detail is covered by the bandanna thing (which will be added later as a seperate object or extrusion). Ill make the curve of the teeth more round but ive been mostly working on the gums this-evening. Ive never worked with this high poly count before so im doing my best with my detail... :P

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Love the teeth so far Moony [:D] it looks as though youve picked up maya quite well in such a short amount of time !

heh thanks :) Im lovin maya, no way would i be this far in max (sorry but some people just click with different tools, not saying anything against max for other people).
heh now that i think about it im in a comp for max... oh well, id never thought about it as i just want to see this thing through! :P

looking great so far, its a very good head shape. heh, i hardly ever work off refs, i prefer to just model freely, although i dont know whether its the best idea as most people seem to use refs most of the time. anyway, the only crit i have is that you could put some variation into the teeth, different lengths, decay etc., your probably aware of this, just thought id point it out

yeah they will get the randomization once there all securely lodged in the gums with all the ridging and so on :P

You are taking to Maya very quickly :)

The only thing I can see wrong is that he is missing a jaw at the moment. Your concept art has a fairly strong jaw and the model doesn't seem to have one.

yeah i know, i have to build up his jaw and cheekbones. You cant see from this angle but his neck is coming off the back of his head (sortof in a parralel direction so he appears hunched) so atm he has something of a jawline, just not a very strong one.

Update:

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You cant really see the band all to well but itll become more apparent once its textured (and lik everything itll probably receive tweaking as time goes on).
Ive discovered whilst i can actually rough a head out and detail it somewhat without a image reference im stuffed for the body, so im going to draw up some orthographics before i get stuck into that. Oh and things like the eye socket that just peeks out from under the bandanna and other things that arent symetrical, will be added later once the entire body is complete and mirrored (as most of these are "decorations" and the poly count at that time will affect what goes in and what dosent).
Also he was going to have a bottom row of teeth but i decided against it because A) the top sort of.. stand out more this way and B) poly count. Im not so good with my distribution as some people :P

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i was going to use this image to work on texture and such in PS but since i need to make some orthographics and time isnt moving any slower ill just show you what is more or less my final concept (not sure if ill upload the orthos).

LOGAN:
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On that note ive more or less completed the story:

Some time in the not too distant future when the world has been torn of its controll over violence and destruction: There is a group of cultists whos beleif it was that the world was populated with "impurities" and that it was their duty to eradicate the world of their presence. The group was lead by a man called Logan Stark who was the mentor for every other member of the group. Logan unfortunatly died in a battle the group was involved in to overtake a scientific facility (in the hopes of using it to create tools of war). In panic the cult forced the staff of the building to put Logan through a experimental procedure to revive him, albiet as a crude half man half robot. The procedure rotted his skin and made all of his hair fall out but it did recover him... to an extent. The cultist felt it nescary to implant in Logans head all the knowledge of the cult and its beliefs, incase he lost them when he "woke." They also had him taught how to make other android warriors should any of the other members fall to the same fate (so they could serve, even after their death). In the explosion that resulted in his death, Logan lost his arm and his eyes, since a suiltable artifical arm could not be obtained the cult turned it into a weapon. Instead of giving him artifical eyes he now uses a form of scanning technology which allows him to sense all of the objects around him and loosely what they are made of. It only operates over a short range though but makes actions like hiding behind pillars pointless to his enemys.

When the procedure was completed the scientists, who were still more or less at gunpoint, activated Logan. It worked only too well, Logan was revived at the cost of all their lives. In the twisted patchy programming in his head he knew of his purpose to only make more androids, he knew not to let people die of their own accord first.
He is also not very good at it, that knowledge like the rest of Logan is more or less flawed. He keeps trying to create more andriods out of corpses, he carries on his back a bag of "spare parts" human and robot alike and tools for "operational" work. He roams the decayed building where he was created searching for subjects to operate on: a game enviroment for a surival horror.

Phew ok thats more or less it, ofcourse everything i do gets changed as time goes on but i think that pretty much puts it down pat. I know most people released their storys to begin with but i had some parts i was still deciding on and so forth.

wow, cool. You should check out tojo's entry re polyy count. Dont't forget you have a shit load of polys to play with, and the head is usually the most costly aset in a model. Are you going to add more detail? I would alway suggest planning a model first. I have wasted so much time because I mistook 3d model programs for clay. eg. clay is much more flexible and 2 hands beat a mouse in speed. I hear softimage is close to clay, but I have never used it.
Anyway, keep going it looks good.

Hehe, cool Moony, nice story. [:D]. I liked how you had Logan?s hair all falling out ? very convenient! The story kind of reminded me of Robocop; ?He?s dead, so legally we can do whatever we want with him?, or that old TV show, six million dollar man; ?We can rebuild him. We have the technology.? It?s like that kind of thing only much more sinister. Cool! [:D]

Your models looking good. I think you?ll probably find that when you?ve done the whole body, you?ll still have a bunch of poly?s to play with; so then you can concentrate on adding detail. Personally I think he might look better with a few little bottom teeth ? but your right, having none does make the upper teeth stand out.

Looking good. quite scary.

xyz: yeah there will be more detail but i want to get things to something like the quality of a lowish poly character (teritory im familliar with :P) and add, as apposed to working every aspect (head, arms, legs) to its fullest one at a time.

palantir: yeah its a bit of that futuristic necromancy, but unlike those stories i wanted logan to be crude and rusted, instead of chrome and efficient if you get me. and again the polys will be added as time goes on :D

denz: thanks, thats the idea :D i submerged myself in horror and heavy metal music for an evening ;)

and 10 points for the guy who can tell me which two comic book characters (both marvels) share his first and last name.

looking good so far, no crits right now. would that be logan "wolverine" and tony stark "ironman".

Doh! You beat me to it, conundrum!
Wolverine was an easy one. Though Logan is also the name of the ?Eyes only? character from Dark Angel.

Damn you and your 10 points! [:D]

heh heh im a marvel fanatic, i was going to call him damien but i thought that would be a bit typical so i chose Logan (not because it was wolverines name but because i just liked it), after i made stark his surname i realised there was a marvel with that name too :P

yikes, freud would have something to say about where that image came from I'm sure. !?

Thats a nasty character Adie ! Would fit right in with some sick, twisted horror [:D]

cool thanks HazarD!! was thinkg maybe it was a bit fantasy..felling more cofident with the idear now you sat it fits
Heres The more sexy version [:0]

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pfft[xx(] well I think I'll stop drawing now as i dont think i like this pic mutch anymore[:(] not very scary like my quick sketch was .. whats anyone else think?[?]
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dude its a chick with evil living breasts, thats scary enough for any guy!! :P
seriously though its scary enough for me :)

dude that's seriously screwed.

I love it.

I think I dated her.

Scott.

some funny head concepts[xx(]

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nice concepts so far, i like the kiss of death head, its a really cool idea. keep it up

Kiss of death or Ms Dead (Thumbs Up) [:D] looks great I like where this concept is going!

ok ill work the kiss of death into it somehow .. think ill make her more rotted and stuff too.. descusting rotted out butt or something

started modeling just blocking it out still .. havent had mutch time this week so only spent 2 hours on it[V]
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lol nice inclusions to your WIP. I thought she was going to be barefooted though?

The character has a lot of potential i think, its reading really well. :) The head piece is my fave part.

haha, thats the coolest block out I've ever seen! good start. my crit would be maybe make the knee area less chunky?

ok some quick screen grabs.. only at the halfwaypoint with the polly count so should be able to put some nice clothes here .. not happy with the head going to change. and still need to moddel the brestmouths

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i dont know about the actual face but i like the long neck small head thing, legs could be longer though (looking at your concepts there pretty long there).

Hm, her legs look pretty short, though its difficult to see from straight on.

The wings would look much more dynamic (and realistic) if you were to curve the fingers that hold the skin flaps out like on a real bat's wing.

Could we get a closer look at the head, a side view and perhaps an angled one too. The more information you give us, the easier it is to critique. A smooth shaded model with a wireframe on top would be easier to read too.

yeah the legs are too short and thick

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heres some more angles and a head close up.. it look s like a man i know!! thats why im going to change it .. the mane problem im having is how u make alpha wings, as I'v never done this befor and I think im going about it the wrong way.. the problem is that the wing membraing is only 1 polly it has no depth.. and so on the front of the wing it looks cool with just 1 smoothing groop

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.. but on the back it looks crappy because it got sharp lines on the sides of the fingers..

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how can i make it so i dont get this ?? [?]

HELP! Please Master

Are you using Max or Maya?

In Max its because you have different smoothing ID's, change them to all be the same ID.
In Maya its because you have sharp edge smoothing along that edge, can't remember where that is off hand.

Max and iv alread tryed that and it dosent work :( Thanks anyway Malus.. I think its becaue on the back the normals are facing the other way .. the mesh is not 2 sided(the wing membrain is only one polly thick ..so it has no depth in Y, or if u looked at it from the left u can not see it).. should i be moddeling it 2 sided.. if so how do i do this becaue i want a 2 sided alpha material so i can have hair ..and if u have bothe sides of the wing membarin verts welded to the same spot u get intersecting mesh lines :( .. hmmmm I hope u understand if not ill try and show u in pictures

Im not 100% sure of your problem - but if your workin in edit mesh mode - try weld all the verts along the culprit edges together. Often if you extrude edges in Edit mesh mode - and switch to edit poly - it detaches the verts involved and you often end up with 3 or 4 verts over the top of one another that simply cannot be welded.

Just a thought - it may or may not solve the problem ???

well got sick stuffing with the wings and decided that the bitch wasent evil enuf so i think ill add some evil babys to freek thing up a bit
the breast are here unborn children
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bizarre

Awesome i like that addition - very sick indeed. [:D]

he he glad u like it Hazard :) its hard trying to compeat with your evil slug

quick update with the babys heads still working on there little bodys . been thinking of an idear of what she is .. i think ill make here a Family sect arnti (Ann hamelton berns), this is a Aus comp afert all, so may as well make it Astralian.. for those who dont know about the family sect,they make there kids have sex when there just childrend and when the hit ther teens they lock them in rooms and keep giving them LSD till they screeming and going crazy then they do other bads stuff to them.. they also torture them by dunking there heads in watter till they nealy drown then let them up for air and do it again.. just for doing somthig they think is bad this is just a taste of what they do. oh they also dye all the kids hair blond .. and they have doctor's in the sect who steal the babys from hospitals that are up for adoption.. there evil mother F#%kers

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dear god man, looking extremely good, but the breast faces had larger jaws and mouths in your concepts which i think i like better then solid faces.

The main character's face is nice and freaky. The eyes just set it all off nicely :)

Agree with Moony. The breasts looked better when they were a head as opposed to a neck.

Ok just wanted to give a brief rundown of my idea before anything similar comes along [:P], concept will follow soon.

A large/obese humanoid creature whos back is arched in a unatural way due to the large strap pinning the back of its head to its lower back.

The creatures arms are folded tightly across its body, its arms pierced thru the torso flesh as if in a straight jacket.

Its talon like hands claw at its back it torment and its wristed are pinned thru by a 2 large rings that connects to 2 long chains.

His ankles also are pinned to 2 more chains.

These chains hang from the rings at its wrist and ankles until they end at 4 large square concrete block on the ground, blocks which enable the beast to hang forward without falling, briefly easing the torment of its prisonlike form.

The Creature slowly drags its obese body around using these blocks as counter balance.

The face of this one time man is a tormented sight. His face is stretched back from his skull due to the pull of the strap at the base of his skull, his lower jaw is fused to his chest and exposed malformed teeth thrust from the fleshy wounds.

Inside the maw of his mouth lives a creature, a living hunger, its 6 talonlike claws pull back the sides of his mouth further to reveal an abyss of razor sharp blades.

Ok gruesome concept and history to come [:)]

pretty wild stuff....... i really really wanna see this modelled......

totally 100 out of 100 for originality!

sounds nearly as evil as xyz's featus wielding prostitute ;)

Heres one of my first concepts, tossing up wether to make him obese as I had earlier posted.
Changed the arms to be pinned together at the elbows.

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ouch

i like it the way it is dude!....
actually reminds me of a pre-raphaelite painter 'Burn-Jones' in the body pose... just gone horibly horribly wrong

very cool!
the metal and rock/stone textures will contrast well against the more fleshy textures.... 10/10

go for it dude!

Heres the first doodle I did for the original idea.

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i like the thin one, looks starved and deprived, more tortured in a way i guess.

If those spikes are holding his arms together and comin out his shoulders that is awesome.

Second set of teeth is a nice touch. How about the top metal pins holding his mouth open digging into his ears for support??

Love the concept, cant wait to see the model.
Good luck with getting it done.

JD

loving it, now thats what i call a tourtered character

JD: His elbows are pinned either by a metal ring or rod, haven't decided.
Those bones bursting out are from the stress of his arms being pulled back into an unatural position.

The things holding his mouth open are legs, not metal.

freakin awesome man, can't wait to see the model.

The concepts are great. I have to admit that I was very dubious just reading the original text :) Defenitely the skinnier one.

Thanks or the comments guys, good to know I can turn your stomachs.

Aven: The text brief was just so I had something down, didn't want to lose my idea with so many entries flooding in. lol

My girlfriend likes the fat one, I personally like the skinny one, I'm probably going to make him skinny like the concept but maybe add alot more loose skin.

Ewww loose skin.

looking good dean !!! very freaky indeed !! i cant wait to see the full work in progress.... [:)]

Now that's good labna. Give him a pot belly, you can call it malnutrition or decomposition.

Niiice. Very Todd McFarlane-esque. I'll look forward to seeing the progress on this one

Awesome, loving it so far Dean [:D] My original idea was to have a Guy strapped in a straight jacket pose with hooks runnign the lenght of his back and legs and attached with chains to some form of big spikey mace. So he would spin around and attempt to heft the mace at bystanders and would-be heroes / heroines etc. but when i saw you post this i thought " You Bastard! " so i changed to the worm idea [:P]

Wow. VERY cool.

You gotta go with the fat guy, the bigger he is the more liberties you can take with what's _inside_ him. :D Also that coloured concept just looks excellent.

sweet

man, that is one superb concept, love the way it seems to be torn between two characters, the vicious psycopath within and the tormented shell of a man. very thought provoking, cant wait till the modelling and especially the texturing

The poor man. [:(]

Great work as always.

Great concept. Looks great! How will it attack though? Will it attack? I'm guessing some sort of swinging of the concrete blocks or just a bite.

Anyhoo cant wait to see it modelled!

Markmash: no it attacks by pulling the blocks forward there by giving itself enough room to lunge out with its mouth, not a coordinated attack, its a semi mindless beast just motivated by feeding. [:P]

I think I'll stick with thin, guant with loose hanging skin for the model.

When you say dangling skin... do you mean as though it is just simply loose from that dip in the water. Or this guy once was a fairly well built individual, who now has Fat Bastard syndrome. Vag*na neck?

Done right that could look, pretty freaky though hard at the same time.

JD: Bloated decomposing flesh thats hangs from the muscle.

dessert anyone ? [:P]

I've added the functionality to upload pictures through Sumea's forum and have them stored on Sumea's server.. so now you don't need webspace to show off you work in the forum - do it directly on Sumea! This is *ideal* for the Sumea Challenges, and I greatly encourage you to use this service since this way pictures from challenges don't disappear as you close your webpages/move stuff around etc in months or years to come...

When you post a message, you have an attachment icon to click (it's hard to miss). Upload your image** and post the message.

Unfortunately it will only show the link to your image - you can go and edit the message, click the attachment icon again and click "re-use", select the image you just uploaded and the image should be embedded in your post..

(** for those of you who are more knowledgable, you can change the code that the forum spits out here and just put [ img ] tags around the link so the picture to can show up in the post, rather than getting linked)

nice brief, perfect. Different but still accessible [:)] Do you want our concepts for submission as well Souri?

I'd like to see concepts as an optional post, just not for judging.

dont ask my why but maya goes weird when i use tga texture files, would it be ok to use an alternative file type (like bmp or something)? Im sure its probably something fixable but im not experienced enough with the program to really delve into that.

Hey Souri what does the "Survival" part of the challange mean? Can you give some examples.

im with usf im not realy into the "horror" game art but some examps of the survivor might help

yer im not into horror either ..

is a 'survival' character the main (playable) character in a horror game?

Survival Horror is the theme.. Games that are in the survival horror genre are Silent Hill and Resident Evil.. so think of grotesque, fleshy, undead, possibly mutant, creatures/humans.... I think one of the voting criterias (apart from general aesthetics, can it fit in a game etc) will be how well you pull off making something scary. So make it scary!

Thanks for that Souri, was going with the Horror theme just was sure what that "/" was all about. so its all good now.

Okay, so is survival/horror is just something that is scary? I?m just wondering what the difference is to fantasy? Like would something scary from LOTR?s for example be survival/horror? Or does it have to fit into the stereotypical survival/horror game? If that?s the case, I guess the character can only be undead, unholy, or mutated. Er, hope I?m on the right track.

Sorry about all my questions, but I?m confused because I don?t play survival/horror games much. I?m under the impression that the bad guys are all undead or unholy. Is that right?

And about posting concept art ? I think that fit?s into the ?Post your work in progress? requirement. So yeah, I think it?s necessary to show. [:)]

The survival horror genre is usually set in modern day, its creatures for the most part are perversions / mutations of man or other animals.
The creatures usually come from a theme consistent within the setting.
Examples

Resident Evil: The creatures are the results of experiments, done by the umbrella corporation, into the re-animation of dead tissue, with an eye towards the creation of unstoppable biological weapons.

Parasite Eve2: Corporate experiments into granting humans immortality whatever the cost, whatever form humanity might take to achieve it.

Silent Hill: A demon rules Silent Hill (having been successfully summoned in the first game) and he calls the mentally disturbed to him, to see if they will fall and become one with his cause. Those who enter Silent Hill are attacked by manifestations of their own fears and perversions.

The other main defining feature of the genre is that you are alone (or there are only a handful of others about) and ill equipped to deal with the situation. Lightly armed, if at all, fast running out of ammo etc the game is about running scared, choosing your battles, rationing your supplies, in short, surviving through the horror (Hence the genre title).
This influences the creature designs in so far as they are, for the most part, not unstoppable titans, or quick clever creatures dodging your blows. They for the most part are slow horrors, ever moving forward, ever closing in, legion in number, designed fill the player with the knowledge that every bullet they spend only stalls the inevitable and sooner or later they will fall at their dread hands.

Other then that I suggest you google for visual reference. Rent resident evil on DVD or something along those lines.

Pantmonger

Due to a lack of other work at uni i've decided to finally sign up to the forums. This competition looks great and has great timing with the release of doom3!

I'll be participating in this one for sure!

What does cannibilism mean

Bullet- Cannibalism means using previous assests such as meshes or textures as part of your entry, which is a big no-no. Start from scratch basically.

can i get a friend to do help out with the concept? i'm not to good at designing interesting characters past an initial idea, and i have friends who are really good at it.

whould still be original work, just not 100% mine, though all the modeling etc would be.

Um...can we twist the survival horror into something like Nightmares coming to life, and/or living IN a nightmare? Like a coma or something?

I have an idea that is growing and would like it to be less reality organic but more fantasy horrow survival...eg. surviving your own nightmares.

Ooooo.. Horror! Love it! Anyway, I?ve got 2 questions.

Firstly, in rules and guidelines you?ve said nothing about how many characters you can actually submit. Should this go without saying, or can I infact do more then 1 character? Of course even if I do more then 1 it?ll still be to the specified tri limits.

Secondly, there?s probably a general discussion or rules about this somewhere but is nudity in anyway allowed in our designs? And no, I don?t intend on any thing pornographic, just wondering how ?bare? characters can be, if at all. My possible current design is a female who?s top half is unclothed.

Thanks, Thard

quote:Originally posted by Wizenedoldman

Bullet- Cannibalism means using previous assests such as meshes or textures as part of your entry, which is a big no-no. Start from scratch basically.

LOL! I actually thought it meant to humans eating humans... stupid Mystikos...

Moonunit: you can use any 32 bit file format that has an alpha channel.

Palantir: see Pantmongers explaination.

Livewire: As its not being judged on concepts, Concepts are an optional submission. If you do decide to post a concept I'm sorry but it needs to be your own concept only.

Pantmonger: Thanks for explaining survival / horror for everyone, its not about freddy kruegar mountain climbing if anyone thought that was it.

Discmage: Nightmares coming to life is pretty much the theme of these games, but generally they exist in a corporeal world so conceive of some way of the creatures being taken from your nightmares and made real then its all good. [:)]

Thardswrothe: I can't speak for Souri but I'd only like to see 1 mesh.
Nudity is up to Souri, its his site.

Cannabilism is using other mesh/texture assets as Wizenedoldman said, it makes for an unfair advantage when compared to those who have done it from scratch and it also makes it hard to judge your current skill level.
Yes, yes, I know its done alot in the industry, but thats for speed not a comp.

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nice brief, perfect. Different but still accessible [:)] Do you want our concepts for submission as well Souri?

The judges won't be looking at the concept pieces, so they aren't required for submission (so don't spend too much time polishing polishing them!). You're more than welcomed to post your concepts in your thread though! We all love to see them, and it's a great way to get advice!

quote:Originally posted by LiveWirecan i get a friend to do help out with the concept? i'm not to good at designing interesting characters past an initial idea, and i have friends who are really good at it.

No, it has to be your concept. If I allowed this, it's going to open up a big can of worms, I think.

Nudity is fine. Meshwise - 1 mesh. Whether you want to have two characters in that mesh is up to you, but it has to theoretically work in-game. If you have two characters standing next to each other, then that's obviously not going to work.

One final thing I have to stress. Following the brief is important! If you read the comments by the judges from previous challenges, you can tell they understand the importance of following a brief.. one example is the previous challenge where challengers had to produce a -marketable character- (that was one of the voting criteria), and I know many well made models were let down by that aspect... so follow brief - research suvival horror, do something *scary* (visually, and psychologically even), follow the rules and guidelines to the word..

quote:2 x 512x512 32bit TGA diffuse texture. (8 x 256x256 etc)
Alpha channel can be used for opacity, specular or bump map.

since there are therefore two (or more) aplha channels, could i use one for a bump map and one for an alpha map? (i would unwarp what areas i want bumped onto tone texture and what i want transparent onto the other). or do we have to use all the alpha channels for the same thing?

quote:Livewire: As its not being judged on concepts, Concepts are an optional submission. If you do decide to post a concept I'm sorry but it needs to be your own concept only.

now worries, i've decided i'm gonna develop it all myself now anyway anyway. better experience for one, nice way to knock off an assessment for another :)

For those who need some inspiration, here are two pages.

Game Critics. Has quite a few art galleries for many games. Most of the horror galleries do focus more around the characters than the monsters, but there is still some stuff there
http://www.gamecritics.com/feature/?cat=1&date=&critic=

McFarlane Toys. The different horror toys they make
http://www.mcfarlane.com/toys/categorytype.aspx?categoryid=6

I am very excited by this. What is the rating for this, can I make a r rated slut from hell?

Mmmm horror, or maybe my ingrown toenail. heheheh.

First Post!

This one definately sounds like a good challange. I haven't made any horror theamed work before so it should be interesting. I've started on some concept images, but i'd like to work the idea some more before posting.

This Survival/Horror challenge sounds like fun, going to pull finger and go for it, its just the kind of theme of a game I would love to work on.

Nice theme.

Little low on the texture side of things then I would have liked but I guees I will just have to keep that in mind when I'm doing my concept (which I have started.)

A few questions

- Will money shot be judged??

- Can we have more then one Textured perspective screenshot for judging??

- Can these Textured perspective screenshot be posed??

Doord: The money shot isn't being judged as far as I know.
You can post as many shots as you need (given that you don't suck all Souri's bandwidth doing it [:P]) and yes they can be posed, mine will be. [:)]

Thanks Malus.

I would like to say good luck to all.

ok i got a Q that nees some A's

ok can i have sort of a beat that has a master like it is all under the 8500 and just has like a beast and rider both monsters and shit but yeah....

edit: and oh yeah my entry aint gore blood and guts but i still think it is horror so is that a prob cause i seen other ppls ideas and thay are all mainly gore..???

Hey RasTuS are you thinking about something along these lines ???

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I think this is a good way of combining two characters together, cant remember where i saw this i think its a mod for quake or something

Hmm, I think that would instantly put a lot of people off of entering the comp due to inexperience with normal mapping, but it is a good idea, and perhaps it should be optional to use it.

What sort of theme hasn't been done in a comp yet?

If there's something to be learnt from the last challenge, it's to try to keep it easy and accessible so that everyone can take part and finish. I would love to have a challenge with normal mapping but I think we'd have to extend the 2 month challenge, and normal mapping/hi-res modelling will probably stop a fair few from entering/finishing. Anyway, let me know what everyone thinks.

I think around earlier this year I mentioned that something *big* was planned for a Sumea challenge down the track - it's currently being organised so no promises yet, but hopefully this will be the one! Btw, Hyperfocal Designs will be sponsoring [url="http://www.sumea.com.au/snews.asp?news=1022&related=Hyperfocal%20Design"]Hyperfocal Terrains for the next challenge[/url]!

If I can organise my free time a bit better I'm in for sure. [:P]

It would be good to see everyone try it.

Maybe do the following:

- a highres reference model.
- low res ingame model @ 3000 - 3500 tris Max.
- diffuse , bump, normal, alpha and spec maps @ 4 x 512 or 1 x 1024 max for textures.
(damn that seems like alot of art resources, lol).

- no photo sourced images.
- no cannabalism.
- no fanboy models, can be created to fit within an existing license just not a existing character.

As for genre/theme, I'd love to see dark gritty stuff, something that can actually show off what normal maps can do.

A couple of ideas:

Horror/Parasite: (Silent hill/resident evil) Make a partly infected humanoid, possible boss or you in the last stage transformation. Must have obvious human aspects.

Big Beasty: A gigantic unique critter, Monster Hunter stlye, think Rancor etc.

Gritty Beastie is good.....
Would defintly have a go at a horror monster....John Carpenters "The Thing" also springs to mind!!!!
So if its goulish I am up for it ...

Maybe it would be cool to see a realistic character normal mapped, but then again I'm doing that right now so maybe not. I like Malus's idea. Maybe realistic humanoid character from a fantasy world, not fantasy art but a world other then this one (Sic-Fi, WarCarft, Hell or a world that is in your mind.)

Ooh horror theme, awesome idea Malus, I'd be in for sure.

If the next challenge is going to take alot of time, i doubt ill be entering [:(] Can i suggest something along the lines of what we have done in the past, with Malus's horror theme or similar just not 3 models worth this time !

I think there will be fewer entries for the normal mapping approach, and quite frankly scare alot of newbs away. Im not sure thats a good thing.

/my two cents.

I was planning on entering this one as Im slowly learning 3d. Though to be honest, the idea of doing a normal mapped horror creature is a little scary (no pun intended).
Also 1 character would be enough work.

As for themes, I like the idea of doing some sort of freaky looking creature. Other ideas would be a fighting game character that must include a weapon model.

I do think it should be only be one character, for sure. My stand on normal mapping is that you need to learn sometime, but there are alot of new people to 3d here so maybe it not a good idea, but if Souri has a big prize maybe the Challenge will call of this level of art.

I don't know if entering the challenges just because there is a lure of a prize is the best idea. I always thought it was meant to push your limits and try new things. Not just to get free stuff.

The other problem with mixing in Normal Mapping (apart from the inexperience problem), is that it mixes two challenges. A low poly one and a high poly. Seeing as no one actually finished the first/last high poly challenge, it may be taking it a bit too far to make a high poly and low poly model. I'm all for the idea of making the low poly character have a higher level of detail (say HL2 for arguments sake), with spec and bump maps, but it may make it a little less accessable to many members here.

The ugly monster idea sounds quite cool, as does Makk's idea for a martial artist/weapon master. There has been talk before of people not liking doing the 'tough' characters, so how about a MMORPG character? Opens it up for fighters, mages, clerics and even merchants. The only problem with that is what MMORPG?

I thought it was called the Sumea Modeller 'Challenge' thats all [:P] Ooooh... nasty. lol

Its true that the normal map idea may be a bit of a stretch for people to finish on time so scrap that idea but please make the next comp at least slightly challenging, alot of the past challenges have been pretty cruisy and aimed soley at those newer to 3D.

I'd have to say that the Demon comp I set is definately amongst one of the most unimaginative so I'm not pointing any fingers. [:)]

If Sumeans want to get better we really need to push our personal limits and not stick with what we know, right?

Just to keep the ideas rolling:

- Pirates and thier Familiars: Blackbeard and his parrot etc.
- Sideshow freaks.
- Those wonderful men and their flying machines: Build your own wright bros. 1 man powered flying machine. Pre-combustion.
- D&D: Design you as your favourite D&D character, must use your own facial features.

I could keep going all night!

- Sideshow freaks.

Coool

I say.. Leave the choosing of the next challenge up to whoever it is that gives away the prizes.

Or, let one of the people who finished the last challenge pick something, as they have a more realistic idea of what is doable in peoples spare time.

But yeah :/ I have noticed that the choosing of the topic gets a whole lot more attention and input than the actual competition..

Anyhow, I should be up for the next one, so long as it isn't another arse pokemon challenge.

Perhaps splitting the challenges up? One for the newer ones and one for the 'pros'? I would like to do something a little more in-depth as well, but it can be unfair to those who have just installed Max :) You can of course choose if you would like to participate in the easy or the hard :)

I like the idea of making yourself into a d&d character. Especially if prestige classes are allowed. Divine Agent :D Those wonderful men and their flying machines is also a cool idea. You're getting some good ones Malus. Keep 'em coming ;)

Modern day protagonist. I think that Jacobt metioned this one a while ago. Make a main character that looks like they could exist in this day and age.

D&D gets my vote all the way, but i have to agree with Dean, if we want to get better we have to push ourselves, but avens idea of splitting up the challenges to pro / amatuer is pretty good, im definately for that idea.

Just if JI enters the Amatuer modelling comp - he has to start with a handicap of -25 points [:P]

Maybe this is kind of silly coming from a programmer - but what about getting away from a character one and going for something more landscape or archetecture.

Futuristic Buildings
Medieval Castle
Insane Asylum ;)

I obviously can?t speak for anyone else, but I think it would be good to have a challenge that encourages heaps of people to enter (and complete). That would mean something simple.

The fact that the last challenge was generally considered fairly easy/simple (it was only 3 low poly characters after-all) though only 10 people entered, makes me think that the challenges might need to be fairly simple/easy at this stage in order to get more people involved.

Why are people against photo sourced textures? Being able to photo source might enable lots more people to finish. Would allowing both hand drawn and photo sourced textures offer any real problem? I don?t see how it would really give people an advantage.

IMHO, I think the next challenge should just be to create one low-poly game model.

As far as choosing the theme: I think the people giving the prize should choose from a selection of ideas that we have discussed. Personally, I really like the RPG idea! While staying in a genre (fantasy/sci-fi), it gives the artist a massive range of options and plenty of room for creativity.

Jacana's idea of doing landscape or archetecture sounds interesting too.

And splitting up the comp into difficulty levels sounds cool, but I can imagine the ?pro? comp having only 4 or so people finishing it, while about 40 people finish the ?amateur? comp. [:P]

There is also the issue of judging though, with a really broad open thing like "an rpg fantasy sci/fi character" is does give the artist a world of creativity, but the judging criteria has be well defined, otherwise its more or less an oppinion of " Is this Half Troll Paladin cooler than this Dracolich "

However i think a simple outline / task even such as jacana mentioned with architecture would be cool. Lets nominate someone to write up the guidelines! [:P] I think theres 2 people already who have said that Bullant should pick the criteria for the next challenge?

I'm for Malus / J.Kerr to continue, they've done fine jobs in the past - and would probably have more time to review the guidelines / questions / queries than a development company would IMO.

This is sounding really cool, I can't wait. And by splitting the groups up, do you mean by people who get paid and those who don't? pro and amateur.

I think keeping it simple is a good idea and not having seperate groups.

The comps so far have basically all been the same and I think Malus saw this eg. "lease make the next comp at least slightly challenging" what I mean by that is the comps didn't have anything new in them. They were all based on the same techniques etc. you just making more of them or giving a new look or poly count and texture size. I'd like to see some more things thrown in like bump maps, enviroment maps evern some animation would be good eg. facical expressions.

Pretty sure a few people said it and I think normal mapping is taking things a bit to far. I did make my HP samurai guy in a month. but that didn't have anything to do with concepting and a low poly model and a texture. Not to mention when I tried to normal map a bit of him my computer just couldn't handle it and I'm pretty sure I read Bullet has a worse computer then me [:p]

As for a kind of theme I would go with what Doord said and keep the texturing realistic eg. none of this cartoony stuff again! I think 90% of companies hate the stuff [xx(]

As for a choise of topic can you choose something broad enough to let someone be creative, eg. I liked the creature/ride challenge because it let people go Scifi or Fantasy and make it what ever they wanted and I think it showed alot more interesting designs. So yeah not the D&D thing because that realy puts you in a box.

I've got a +9 Ogre slaying knife..

I'm sure I'll say something else later.. so bye for now..

Oh, just one more thing. The idea for 2 groups in theory sounds just peachy..

Realisticaly.. I think it just won't work..

hazard: Woah hey hold your horses nelly..
After my last attempt at setting a topic I don't want to set another one, it was a nightmare just getting people to agree on what constitutes as a decent texture size. lol [:P]

I actually think that the companies being kind enough to give away the prizes should have a say in the setting of the comp itself, I was just offering up ideas because I like the sound of my own voice..er..typing..er...you know what I mean.

Just one thing though, its proven hard enough getting one comp up and running, let alone one for newbies and one for the more experienced people.

Yeah I agree, who would be the judge of who is a newbie and who isn't.

I like the idea of not doing a character, and the flying machine one is really cool.

How about something really mechanical like alarm clocks or mousetrap.

Stu

Hazard, I think you?re correct about the brief needing to be well designed, but still open to creativity. I think the brief should represent the kind of thing we would be expected to do in a real world situation (like the last one did).

UniqueSnowFlake, it?s a good point that these challenges need to challenge people, and have new things in them, but I think to fully concept, model and texture a character in 2 months is a big enough challenge for most people to do in their spare time. However, I think you have a great idea there with the animating aspect.

It would be interesting if after making the character (if a character is what we do), we had to make some kind of attack animation or something?
?Though even that could result in few people completing the challenge.

I think it?s a good idea to let the companies giving the prize decide what the final brief will be, but I think it would be cool if we came up with a few different possibilities, and get them to choose one (and make any changes they think necessary).

Also, I?m wondering what do other people think about allowing photo sourced textures?

I say keep the comp as one group...personally thats what a competition is all about..beating the best...Plus i dont think all of us just enter to win do we? i like the challenge in general no matter the out come.
As for ideas...what about a beast and its rider/tamer? eg dewback and stormtrooper...
But choose a theme they should be modelled from...
And perhaps like someone else said something higher in polys but not full on hi res.
Anyways whatever it is..itll be my first one on these boards..so what ever the outcome i look forward to it [:p]

Cheers
Adam

Melvosh - a couple of Comps back had a 'rider / steed' theme.

As for adding animation I think thats going a bit far for a "Sumea Modeller Challenge".
Pose the character sure! but adding animation to be judged on, IMO is making it a bit hairy.

But a new direction and boundaries are whats needed, im open to all kinds of ideas, as long as they have simple guidelines to judge ( see last modelling comp ) - but allow infinite creativeness [:D]

Come on Dean i know you want to write another idea for this challenge [:P] Everyone could be discussing this topic forever, and even then it wont please us all. You should just bang one up in your 'spare' time [;)] and say THATS IT! deal with it sumeans!

Re: Photosourced textures. Quite frankly I don't see a problem with it either, alot of games nowadays use photosourced textures, for characters / placeable objects. It does however show how good an artist is at attempting to replicate various materials.

What I meant by the two challenges. They both have the same theme. One has more simple requirements (ie: 1500 polys 1 x 512^2 texture) and the other has more complex requirements (ie: 3000 polys 4 x 1024^2 maps - 1 difuse, 1 sepc, 1 bump, 1 alpha and extra normal if chosen). Who and what says if you are an amature or a pro? You do. if you think you can get the complex requirements done, then go for it. If you know that you wont have enough time to do all the extra work, or you don't understand the extra maps that well, then just enter the easier one. It is in no way/shape or form meant to make people feel like they aren't good enough. It is just trying to give those who want it a challenge, and have something that is more realistically possible for many of the members here (either for experience or time). I can understand not wanting to make things too difficult on the writting of things and then to get people to agree. The last one did end up quite well though as it was stippulated early on that if you didn't like the rules, too bad. Deal with it or don't do it (end Hitler Mode :p). I just threw it out as a way to bridge the gap between people who want a challenge and those you have enough of a challenge with something more basic.

The scene is a good idea, but it has been mentioned a few times before and very few people seem interested in it. The rules can also become fairly iffy as well. Scenes usually require quite a few textures and how do you put a cap on that? 10 x textures? 5mb worth of textures (no larger than 512^2)? What format should the textures be in to reach the 5mb cap? Are you allowed to index the colour tables to save on a lot of space? I like the idea of the scene as modelling wise it is quite simple, yet it pushes texturing skills a bit more. This is good as people always say they want/need to improve their own texturing abilities, and it opens it up to more people (the more 2d minded here). The bad side is that it is a modellers comp, not a texturers comp... Can that just be changed the the Game Challenge or something?

The theme should be kept somewhat tight. The dnd idea isn't too bad with that, as it is all fantasy. You dont have to compare some dude with a sword to some chick with a 10 metre long laser riffle. It can't be any more dificult to judge then what people thought 'kiddy' meant :) Plus it leaves it open to those who don't know much about it (just make some buf guy with a sword and call him a fighter), or for those who want to take it more seriously (here is my lvl xx druid. his alignment is... his stats are... he has this type of scythe... with this armour... when he goes to the toilet he sits down to pee...). As much as I like the dnd idea, I think it is just more the idea of making ourselves into game characters :D In the end though, yeah, it should be the judges or sponsors who decide :) No harm with giving them some ideas to pool from though. Everyone presents a design doc and the best company gets it :)

Photosourced Textures? For them. I don't see it as being cheap or taking the easy way out, as a lot of work still has to be done to the photos to get them to look like a texture (claning up the photo. colour/level fixing. matching light sources). It requires a different set of skills, and shouldn't be dismissed too quickly. The only rule should be that if you want to photosource, you should have to take all the photos yourself. No magazine scans or sourcing from others sites (3d.sk).

How dare you bag my computer unique snowflake that's clearly my job. But anyway i dont think mine could handle normal maps. I'm only starting to understand what a normal map is, no way i could make one for quite some time. But this comp aint about me (:()

I like malus's idea for the D&D character with the creators face, but is it going to be photosourced or actually painted?

Aven: I actually think you have the difficulty level backwards, doing a 1500 poly model with 2 x 512's seems harder than a 3000 poly with assets galore. [:P]

Stu: The flying machine idea includes a pilot, so there would be a character. [:)]

My opinion of photosourcing is this, yes it does take alot of skill to manipulate photo reference to make textures but it doesn't really show of your texturing skills as an artist, just your photo manipulation skills.

Yes its used in the industry and I would never discount its importance but this is a challenge and as such I think everyone needs to stretch themselves.

Also for those of you trying to get into the industry I suspect employers would rather see if you can texture by hand more than use photos.

What I would love to do would be:
- DnD character
- 3500-4000 polys
- 2048x2048 diffuse with alpha for spec
- 2048x2048 normal map with alpha as alpha

2 months to do it.

The thing with photo souring is that it is very hard to get the photo to work with your character and never work perfectly, and because of that you are always are able to make a better texture by hand.

congrats! JI and to all the other entrants, the standard was awesome. Great job to all the entrants it was a pleasue jus to see the work that came out.

Well done JI! GoldenChocobo & Pants!

Thanks to all the judges!!! and all the entrants for a great competition!!!

Whens the next one! [:P]

congrats to all the winners :) enjoy your swag :P

congrad to all the winners and ppl that entered but 1 thing

"I like the splash page. Although pills do not suit the target age bracket J ."

about the pills.. although i did not follow the comp that much but wern't pills in the breefing. i stoped reading the stuff after thant and just skimmed through it so not sure if some1 else pointed it out

Congrats joel, pants and Golden Chockies and all the other entrants. keep up the great work [:)] looking forward to seeing the next challenge. Well done once again...

Congrats to the winners :)

congrats to everyone, some nice entries in there [:)] can't wait for the next comp [:D]

hey joel, can I borrow your tablet for a few months :D

Congrats to all 3 of you guys!!
Also thanks to the judges for their time and Bullant of course for the great prizes.

Pants, I'm a Medium [:P]

Congrats to everyone who managed to finish it, and even more congrats to the three winners. Way to go :)

Thanks to the judges for their time and helpful criticism, and also a big thankyou to Souri and mods for organising such a cool event! [:)]

And of course, congratulations to the winners, you guys all did a great job!

I've put this off a little, and I've felt a bit guilty about it because of lack of time, so I'm sitting down while I have some of that elusive time, and writing out my expression of gratitude [:)] I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say that it's a fantastic thing to have this community, and to have the people in it which give so much support.

Big big thankyous to Bullant for again sponsoring the sumea modeller challenge, and continuing to show such great support for the Australian industry - as well as a huge thankyou to Souri (aka "the man") for putting up with us all, and organising these events. We all realise how big of a headache it is to organise and arrange these things, and everyone really appreciates the time and effort that gets put in.

P.S. is anyone interested in a cheapy 5"x4" acecad tablet with a long crack up the middle, a smiley face drawn in with marker in the upper right corner, and the stylus held togethor with sticky tape? It's lasted me this long, it's a little soldier [:D]

Congrats to JI, this was a great competition as it really pushed me into learning to texture. Can't wait for the next one! I'm hoping for a hi-poly challenge.

Just a quick note to say thanks to everyone who makes these comps possible, from the sponsors to the site, from JonathanKerrs idea to everyone who made it happen by participating.
Thanks
Oh and another quick note, first comp in five that I didn?t come smack in the centre, woot :P

Pantmonger

It seems I've filled those boots pants [:P]

I'm sure this has been covered elsewhere, but I can't find it. What are the three judging categories? Is it texture, mesh, concept?

So for example, did J.I.Styles(10, 10, 9) get the 9 for the concept and 10's for the mesh and texture, or is the 9 for the texture or something?

Er, I hope I'm making sense..

big congrat's to ji ari and pants they where awsome entry's

but im just a bit shocked that Palantir beet me :)
oh well
thanks to souri and all the judges

Thanks to all the judges for there time and crits.
Thanks Souri for running such a fine competition and having such an awesome net community for all us gamers and like to hang.
Thanks everyone for all the congrats.
thanks all those who entered, I hope everbody learned something in the process.
And Congrats to JIStyles and Pants for there victory:)

palantir: To me it look like a score that is given based off the position each judge place everyone.10 points for first and 1 point for tenth.

Oh right, 3 judges, so 3 scores. I see. [:I] Silly me!

Well done Joel, and every one which made it to the end of this huge challenge. Here's hoping the next will be on the way soon!!!

Modeller Challenge 6! Modeller Challenge 6! [:P]

I've sent the prizes off last Thursday, so you 3 should get them early to mid next week sometime. I've emailed your postal address (Joel) to Ross at Bullant Studios, so hopefully he's read it and sent off the wacom as well.

shath: Yeah, I'm also shocked that I beat you! I thought your entry kicked arse! In fact I'm very surprised that I didn't come dead last. I suppose the concept, and how well it fits the brief, must have a lot to do with the results (because the concept was about all I had going for me![:D]).

thanks palantir, yeah i realised that my concept wasn't all that original and the pill idea wasn't a good idea and the judges desition is final, so whens the next comp

well done JI Styles, your work was great and your poster was the best one think. Have fun with the new tablet. It seems designs with wings did quite well for some reason. I hope I can find time to join in the next comp.

woohoo! I got a discreet 3dsmax 6 "Blow Me" shirt and another discreet water bottle to add to my collection (a whopping 2 now! ) in the mail today [:D]

Prizes are great to get - they give me that warm fuzzy feeling as I carry them around in the big postal package that Souri used; getting glances from people as I go by, I'm sure they're wondering what could possibly be in it. Most probably think it's a bomb though, judging from some of the peoples expressions [:)]

Now I'm just hanging out for that tablet -- my old one seems to die for longer periods of time nowadays, so I'm extra excited about it [:)]

damn you and your prizes!!

*kicks joels shin*

here's the concept pic for my trainer.

[img]http://server5.uploadit.org/files/sinista-Trainer.jpg[/img]

here's my stage 1 evo character's mesh.

[img]http://server5.uploadit.org/files/sinista-Evo1_poly.jpg[/img]

and here's the unwrap for it.

[img]http://server5.uploadit.org/files/sinista-Evo1_colour_low_res.jpg[/img]

and here's the final textured render.

[img]http://server5.uploadit.org/files/sinista-Evo1_render.jpg[/img]

here's my stage 2 evo character.

[img]http://server5.uploadit.org/files/sinista-Evo2_poly.jpg[/img]
[img]http://server5.uploadit.org/files/sinista-Evo2_colour_low_res.jpg[/img]
[img]http://server5.uploadit.org/files/sinista-Evo2_render.jpg[/img]

here's my final evo character!

[img]http://server5.uploadit.org/files/sinista-Evo3_poly.jpg[/img]
[img]http://server5.uploadit.org/files/sinista-Evo3_colour_low_res.jpg[/img]
[img]http://server5.uploadit.org/files/sinista-Evo3_render.jpg[/img]

this is my final composition for the lunch box sticker.

[img]http://server5.uploadit.org/files/sinista-Final_Combo.jpg[/img]

The pics aren't showing up for me, getting the red cross of doom, is it just me?

Nah i got da same :(

the x looks kinda arty tho dont you think ?.......

:) you gotta set yourself up with some webspace man, looks like you're linking those to a drive on your computer - or something else..

yeah youre linking to your harddrive. "file:///I:/Evo Post/Final Combo.jpg"

grab some free hosting webspace and upload and link from there - try www.uploadit.org; 2 min registration, free, and offers space for 20 x 200kb images. Easy stuff.

It is amazing how many people do link from their computer, that would only work if you had a 24hr broadband or cable connection and set your computer up as a server.

Yep, you're right, it is a link from a hard drive. Sorry! I actually got a mate to help me post it. I'm not too good with "net" stuff. I will do my best at getting it up before tomorrow's deadline. I haven't got the net on at home so I've got to find friends to help =)

the deadline is tonight at midnight ;)
ive got like 8 hours and 36 minutes to go before submission.... godaamnit... eye of the tiger!!!....

!! It seems like you've had some rotten luck getting these pics up. It looks like you've submitted all the required pieces for the challenge, so please get them up here *real soon*!

there you go guys! i've got my pics working now. NOW you can have a look. [:)]

Gizmo! (hope you know what this means, from 'Gremlins')

2 things,... what does the gun arm fire ? and im getting 2 wireframes for the final evo instead of one wire one texture :D

hey he looks pretty cool tho!!!!

i just have to say tho - it is kinda weird that the final evolution has become mech'a'nized with no hints of it in the previous version....

HazarD: 1- The characters were loosley based around a skunk like character so it seemed only fitting that it should fire some sort of stinky sludge.
2- I've stuffed the link up (again). I'll try to rectify that problem.
3- Yeah, I know it was a pretty big leap from 2nd to 3rd stages but looking at other stuff like Digimon and Pokemon, you find there are some pretty big leaps there too. I had fun mucking around with the ideas anyway. =P

Wizenedoldman: The thought of Gizmo never crossed my mind, but now that you mention it...

Wow, that is great, the final evo is without a hsadow of a doubt my favourite, it's a pretty original concept to, nice work.

It's also cool how the trainer and all the evos have the mohawk

Glad you liked it Bullet. I wanted some way to tie the trainer and evos in together and the mohawk came to mind. I also tried to keep a general colour scheme hence the purple shirt & red shoes.

www.photobucket.com

LMFAO! a pig that grows into a raging lion with big teeth!! i love it man... i hope you can get this finished - although you might wanna spend 30 minutes cleaning up those concepts a little... or not... up to you.

I think thats a good concept - go for it!!

no time to refine the concepts. you have 1 week to get it all complete. good luck :)

ok this is what i plan to do...
first its just a wee pig,which can go into a ball and roll into baddies.
second stage is a kindof pig with sharp teeth for bitin and an afro.
third is basically a lion that eats a bad guy in one gulp.

It's great
I love the simplicity.
no stuffin around with magic or anything crazy like that, It could be a winner go for it!![:D]

great stuff wacky wack wack

simple but sweet, good luck gettin it finished.

Why is the 3rd stage a lion and not a big stinky boar? Big stinky boars ROCK!

cheers

lol this will be really interesting to watch, the 1 week dash! :D

looks cool, but it looks awfully a lot like the entry pantmonger did for the steed and rider comp.

Great minds think alike I guess.

oh christ really ?? - ill go have a look make sure its not toooo similar.

if its a bit close ill change it - the evolutions should make him a bit different anyways.

Sorry pantmonger! should have done more research before i delved in. [:(]

Just because they are both aquatic doesn't mean they are similar, this one is a kinda cute little fish, whiles pants was a massive scary shark with armour on it head and big ass teeth, they aren't similare at all really.

I think it is a great idea i was kinda hoping you'd enter. Luv to see the models and i think you should get it finished in time if you worked on it like you did that cyber punk you worked on.

looks good - looks to be something that'd fit happily in the poke'mon universe, with the same kind of cutesy simple but elegant designs.

I'd actually love to see this modelled and textured up in the 3d poke'mon game style. Solid colours, black lines, etc. It's always a very "basic" but visually appealing and striking style.

Thanks Bullet21 & JI - just working on the texture for the runner at the mo, will finish up the line drawing / model sheet for the second evolution later on tonight.

Also will post a WIP for the texture im doing for the Runner.

Stay tuned.....

Heres the concept for the second evolution.

ill do a scale diagram once all three concepts are done.

hes sprouted a few additions and got a bit bigger / more streamlined but at the same time, hes armoured himself up a bit more and grown a bit more of a spearing device [;)]

Ill have the concept for the 3rd evolution done by 2morow hopefully. maybe even the concept for the hero as well.

Might also have a crack at modelling the first stage Aq, will see how it goes....[:)]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/219_aquanconceptmodsheet.jpg[/img]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! *drools all over keyboard* that is seriously sweet. i like the one where he is kinda standin up. It reminds me of a character from pokemon i think his name was dragonair or somthing. seriously cool.

The evolution flows very well.

nice I like it :)

One thing you could have a potential problem with though is the curvacious nature of the design - from the bone mask, to the body to the fins, they're all smooth and curvy and flowing. Should be interesting to see how you weight your poly budget distribution [:)]

One last comment, but with those new style eyes in the second evo, the bone mask is really looking like that pokemon dog with the bone mask on his face. Here's a pic:

[img]http://www.happychild.org.uk/Webimage/marowak.jpg[/img]

Man - i dont even watch pokemon!!!!!!! ive heard of pekachu but wouldnt be able to draw him if you asked me [:P]

It shows that you really have to do a bit of research before delving into these comps hey - i should have given myslef a bit more time, but unfortunately i have cut it a bit short [:(] will post the next evo tonight.....

Thanks for the comment about the curvy nature of the concepts JI - i understand fully what im up against in trying to reproduce that - ill give it my best shot tho [:)]

it is very pokemon style but i dont think anyones saying thats a bad thing!!! look how sucessfull pokemon is! :D

good stuff

JI i think his name was Marowak or somthin', i was obsessed with pokemon when i was in grade 6 and 7 now i'm in year 11, how fast time flys.

Very cool. Can't wait for the 3rd evolution :D

Hi guys - heres the final concept ive come up with - this is after 2 blue pills.

First stage is Aq goes to Aquan then finally BEHOLD..... < booming orchestral intro music > AQUANOX!!!!! [:0][:0][:0]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/219_aquanoxconcept.jpg[/img]

Ive modelled up the stage 1 - will unwrap and texture him as soon as i can. Am working on the concept for the hero right now.

Ill also post a scale of all 4 , 3 evolutions + hero.

Wow, thats an awesome idea.. cant wait to see it completed!

Hope you have enough tris.

A.

That is so cool, I coudl imagine some lil kid who likes pokemon putting that on their lunchbox or where ever they stick em now days.

wow youve turned this dolphin character into a large serpentine type design, good stuff

That is so mad! I realy like the evolutions, and the comments.

WANT TO SEE IT MODELED NOW!!!!!!

HURRY UP!!!!!

I'M WAITING!!!!!!

lol[:)]

HAH! thanks guys! i appreciate the comments.

Blackjack - im going as fast as i can son! i canny take much more!!

th 1st stage is complete and weighs in at around 350 tris - im trying to savea lot of tris for the last evo so i can get him deforming quite well [;)]

ill post a piccy of the 1st evo hopefully 2morow nite, also i just finished the line art for the hero so ill post that either 2morow or tonight if ive got enough time.....

also a note on the final evo - ive made the jump from 2nd to 3rd evo really epic proportioned - just to influence that hes the ultimate being !![:0]

Wow that is really cool, the evolutions are completely differant but the same if you know whta i mean. REally nice work man, Just some advice try and save every last Tri, you are going to need them especially for that last evo :)

quote:Originally posted by HazarD


also a note on the final evo - ive made the jump from 2nd to 3rd evo really epic proportioned - just to influence that hes the ultimate being !![:0]

Hey! You nearly stole my quote and direction damn it! see:

quote:yah, the third stage was always meant to be quite a jump - just to emphasise that it is the final, ultimate stage

umm... direction thief! oh ok, ok... I'm just being a 'tard [;)]

but seriously, I'm really liking this design. I hope you can keep that brilliant edge flow the character(s) have, and also the impact that the "simple" style has. Actually, if any entry was going to be toon shaded, I'd of loved to see this one like it. It's got that real awesome cute but cool pokemon look

good stuff, keep it up [:)]

ok ok ok !!! i knew i remembered someone writing something like that [;)] thanks J.I for planting that awesome direction design seed in my head [:D) gee whiz i gotta look up to someone dont i [:I]

glad people like it, and Bullet21 - im really concious of the number of tris i need for the last stage, im hacking tri's of both the first and second evo as much as i can to compensate - i dont want the difference to be tooo major tho.

ill still try to make all 3 stages have a nice flow and deform all good.

Heres the concept of the main hero guy Wynter !! [:0] hes a Mer-Man type character. Ive decided to use similar colours & characteristics like the sapphire horns, webby type spines and similar flat wide tails.

im also posting a scale diagram so you can see the size difference between the evolutions etc...

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/219_wynterconcept.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/simages2/219_scale-sheet.jpg[/img]

Ill post some progress shots of the meshes 2morow [:D]

Fantastic work.
That last form looks amazing.

cheers

nice work hazard.

Ithink this has just become my favourite entry. The Main character is look great, good work, now hurry up and model it. Luv the names as well.

THanks for the positive feedback guys, i should be posting some mesh shots tonight of the first and second evolutions, might even get hte texture done for Aq. Ive also just noted that my scale diagram is a bit on the piss, the Aq should be a tad bigger [:(]

Bullet21 - im hurrying man, im hurrying. [:D]

Hero looks really good there hazard, nice job.

Well progress has been a bit slow - my tablet broke and my loving fiance just brought me a new wacom graphire 3 [:D] so i should be updating this soon as...

ohhhhhhhhh, i want a loving fiance to buy me a graphire 3

ohhhh... i want a loving fiance...

... or a graphire 3...

either way...

Ohhh sick design, i love the way everything just flows :P

Wow this is wierd, two days and 2 posts with my nicknames.
I'm malus on most sites and one of the guys looking for help on sumea for a mod uses that nick on his forum and on CGtalk I'm Caustic. [:P]

Freaking me out seeing posts that arent from me.

BTW: cant see any design? did you delete the link.

haven't put anything on yet, just thought id mention im working on it.

it seems bullet was just making with the funnies - you misled me too bullet! thought a design had been posted and took down again...

Maybe he posted in the wrong thread?
It happens. This post was supposed to be on a completely different forum, I just couldn't be bothered deleting it. =D

yes.............yes......wrong forum............that's it.....that's exact;y what i did [:p]

here is my first level concept drawing and some of the modellng ive done so far. polys: 720
[img]http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/view_image.php/3Z255FZ33JI/picserve…]
[img]http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/view_image.php/GX3F8KV0S20/picserve…]

thats bizzare, which is a good thing really :D

tell us a bit about it...

the basic idea behind it is that it is a "tooth monster", every level it advances the more dangerous it gets. so the first level is a "baby tooth" stage, hence the one tooth, the second is a full teeth stage and the third is a "wisdom tooth" stage, this stage is dangerous because the monster is in pain and as a result its angry. hopefully this helps explain it a bit more

yeh it does, very creative concept!

hahah, great idea. nice to see it's coming along.

Man thats pretty interesting, just a quick note about the polycount tho - it looks like youve used 700 polys - so that would be around 1400 tris ?

Might want to watch that a bit - you could easily cull off a whole bunch or faces from that model and still retain the same silhouette.

Crazy idea tho - am keen to see the next iterations [:D]

some colour schemes ive been working on.
[img]http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/view_image.php/ER0W0J3F6IL/picserve…]

creepy, whats with the flesh parts on the back of his head?

they're supposed to be wings which have not yet fully developed but will in the advanced forms.

man im going to have nightmares. thats an extremely eerie but original idea you have going here man.

I'm getting nothin from those links... :(

mistyped url?

Hey Dan. I was wondering how long it would be until you arrived.

I checked last night and this morning. I have the same problems as Smeg. A big 404 for both of them.

BTW. Change your profile. Last I knew, you weren't a 13 year old chick :)

still aint working

looking good, I like the transition. A few obversations:

- head of the second evolution is noticably more stretched forwards in a rottweiler type look, which makes it a little strange to transition into it, then back out.

- perhaps consider a "hook" to the character; some special element which shows there's more to the character than just a wombat which turns into a standing bipedal wombat with muscles and bulk.

- The eyes work well with the 1st stage but the 2nd and 3rd makes it look a bit like giant fly eyes - perhaps adding some spec shine to wetten them up a bit would help?

Anyways, good job! And you know you gotta be on a good concept here... wombat's are just damn cool animals, full stop [:)]

This is schlumppy's idea not mine. Just helpin out a fellow sumean.
[img]http://img7.photobucket.com/albums/v18/bullet21/288_Wombie1L.jpg[/img]
This is schlumppy's idea not mine. Just helpin out a fellow sumean.

Just helpin out a fellow sumean.

It looks great. Hey schlumppy join photobucket.com it's free and a good place to post pix. Love the idea of animal to humanoid animal.

Schlumppy, I really like your idea. Good to see an Aussie design! It's nice to have something a bit different from the regular Japanese influence.
Great concept. Can't wait to see the models! [:)]

HAH! classic idea, i love the gorilla-like stance for the second generation.

HMMMMMM? nice idea!!!!

that first one is very Hoppip from Pokemon...

Yeah it does look like hoppip
i just thought id post a pic of him here it is
[img]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/v2dex332.gif[/img]

Good work idaho it looks nice.

nice drawings but they dont seem to link up to each other very well.... (theres probably a better way to say that)

like the trainer character though, thats a new idea :D

Thanks guys, yeh the first one is based on hoppipand a piggy bank, the others are evolutions which i agree, 'dont really link up'. Nothing final yet, still tossing around ideas.

the second and third evolutions have similar features... just not colour schemes.

I suggest you drop that first evolution, tighten the transition between the last two (colour mostly) and then work backwards to find your first form (or alternatively, evolve him further and drop that first one).

cool owner. Nice and different

cheers

*cough* *cough*

Yeah!, i was waiting for your entry, you'd better finish it i mean model and texture or else [:(!]

oh and it looks great as always

awes, I especially like the furby-type pre-evolved form on the right. Lookin very good.[:D]

I like the character design on the left, very cool style (and boots).

It's me! And my doggie whos my guardian angel!

*big smiles*

Your sneaky Joel.

shhhhhhhh - well hey, at least you didn't know until you saw it this time [;)]

whatever your source of inspiration, nice work with the trainer, good character design (has a bit of jade from Beyond G+E (the ubi soft title) in her)

The creature doodads look good so far but you can only get so much from small sketches :P

Further study into the final evolved form of the creature - I feel I'm getting closer to where I'm heading with this, which is good [:)]

[img]http://server6.uploadit.org/files/jistyles-evolve3.jpg[/img]

Thinking of adding either a bow and ethereal arrows, or a large shield to keep with the guardian nature of the character (He's a protector, not an offensive or aggressive creature).

That looks great, and yeha a shield is probably your best bet seeing as you are going for the guardian image :).

nice final stage, very good transition from the smaller winged dog thingy. I think you should give him a weapon of some sort even if you want to have the sheild aswell, it would look odd just to have a sheild to me. Not nescacarily a big sword or anything, could be a sicle, a whip or whatever takes your fancy :D

Why can't a shield be used as a weapon i can picture some have the fuck beat out of them with a solid metal shield :)

I'm really enjoying getting into this design - I think there's been a bit of creative poisoning over the last year in the online community where everythings a combination of evil/futuristic/demonic/babe - very barren idea wise. Feels good to do a good/angelic/protective character [:)]

[img]http://server6.uploadit.org/files/jistyles-evolve4.jpg[/img]

I'm happy with stages 2 and 3, but I think stage 1 should be a bit more de-evolved - a bit more cute and small and wimpy

Another thing I was playing around with was a halo - the first doggy form had it in its mouth as a frisbee, second hanging onto it, and the third wearing it in the cliche hovering over head style... something to think about anyways [:)]

That is an awesome idea. i love the transition between each evolution.

Imagine teasing that squirrel cos he's tiny then having him come back as that big arse guardian :) I'd be scared.

the 1st and 2nd change only slightly yet from 2nd-3rd well.... :P quite the change
yet in things like digimon their "evolution" takes quite a jump so its cool if thats what your happy with.
By the way i love the wings and the sort of stringy feathers at the end, ties in (excuse the pun) with the ropes around his arms/legs :D

yah, the third stage was always meant to be quite a jump - just to emphasise that it is the final, ultimate stage

just a note, getting into modelling now, planning to revise the first/second evolution a little to make the progression more of logical step.

Woah thats nice, REAL nice - i like the puppy, grows into gaurdian angel thing, also the halo idea is really cool.

( is in awe )