Sumea Modeller Challenge

Very original... hurry up and finish it though, you've only got a few hours left!

Final Submission:

1. Left, Front and back - 900x600 pixels (Wireframe screengrab)

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2. Left, Front and back - 900x600 pixels (Textured)

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3. Three Quarter View and Close - 900x600 (Wireframe screengrab)

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4. Three Quarter View and Close - 900x600 (Textured)

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5. Texture Flats - 1024x512 OR 2x512x512 (post them next to each other)

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6. Texture Flats - 1024x512 OR 2x512x512 (post them next to each other)

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7. Rendered Money Shot - 900x600 pixels

Opacity and bump maps used.

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Good luck everyone!

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Congrats, you're challenger #15!

I have a question.
Where can I learn to texture like that?

Texture flats section reads 1 x 1024x1024 OR 2 x 512x512. Should be 1 x 1024x512 no ?

Whoops.. yep, it is. (fixing it up now)

Can we post 'wireframe' shots as untextured and flat-shaded with edges turned on, or do they have to be empty wireframes? I'm asking because I think a flat-shaded/edges picture gives a much better view of the mesh layout than a pure wireframe does.

Example:
[img]http://www.cokane.com/Sumea/wireframe01.jpg[/img][img]http://www.cokane…]

Flat shaded with edges turned on seems to be the better option at viewing the model so yep, everyone do that for #1 and #3 please!

souri do we post concepts in as well with the submission ?

Nah, concept isn't required...

is the money shot a nescicity?

Ok call me stupid but i'm not sure what a screen grab is. Above you said "screen grab (not rendered)". Does this mean a "print screen". Err... To put it another way. What's the difference between a "screen grab" and a render?

for the left front back and all that, should we olny use a flat coloured background?

Yes, flat colour background only...

Screengrab means you grab the picture straight out of the viewport of your 3d program, with the print screen key and paste/assemble in your paint program.. However, I've noticed that only 1 of the 3 finishers so far have complied with that rule, and I pretty much don't see the real need for it to be a viewport shot, so you can render those angles if you like. I have adjusted the guidelines and will let that challenger know so he can update if he wants to....

Hey Souri, ummm... As far as the "Three Quarter View and Close" Shot ... Ummm.... My char kinda has 2 fronts (see: http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2087&whichpage=2)... like 2 bodies... is it possible to do a close up front of both sides? I guess you probably don?t want people adding many more images so I assume I will fit both into the same pic? Heh?sorry to be such a hassle = Oh, also, if we were to upload a video of our characters to our own servers would it be permitted to have a link to it?

Yeh, I guess that'll be fine in your case..

You can link to your video in the forum, but the judges won't be able to see it. Due to the number of submissions expected, I'll be preparing all the entries in a neat and tidy single PDF file for them to download. So they won't be visiting each of your forum threads (well, they can, but it would just take too long to go through every page for each entry).

One thing I?ve noticed: originally you said that you need to state if you used and photo-sourcing in the textures, yet you have not included anything in the submission guide regarding this and I haven?t seen anyone listing photo-sourced materials in their entries.

Just figured I'd better ask about this before the comp closes and everyone puts up entries without info on their photo-sourcing.

You're absolutely right.. I've made the appropriate adjustments...

What kind of lighting is permitted in the textured renders?

Good point goodgod. What kind of rendering limitations do we have as far as the rendered money shot? Are we to just keep it clean and simple, like a game screenshot? I thought that was the case, but from the looks of the money shots that are up there it would seem we can do anything as far as rendering effects. Heh, sorry for complicating things once again Souri, but it?d be usefull to know [:)]

I was just thinking the same thing. When you said "go for it" id assumed anything goes, ie. volumetric lighting, ambient falloff and ambient occlussion.
Not that ill be attempting any of those suckers.
As Gauguin said, the deadlines almost up, theres no time Toulouse.

i can hear your lafter from here.

do we have to sumit if we photosourced

The profile and quarter view shots should be rendered, like you said, clean and simple. I'd suggest something ambient, rather than going crazy like having a blue light shine from the back, harsh light top front etc.. It's just to let the judges see your texturing efforts and your models anatomy/proportions etc. Go nuts with the lighting in the money shot.

If you photosourced, then please write some text in the money shot picture, like "photosourcing used..", and maybe something brief on the extent on your photosourcing if you like.

900x 600 is really tricky to make 3 views of my model fit.. its too fat and wide....[xx(]

You may have to be a bit creative on how you it all in if it's like that.. maybe some overlap, repositioning etc..

Just over an hour to go!!

There sure are a lot of you submitting in the last minute. Apart from White tip (soon to be Challenger #26) and Dangerdave who's having trouble attching files atm, is there anyone else?

Ok, deadline is over, and entries are closed. Just waiting on 1 requested picture from whiteip, and for Tojo to sort out his stuff.. I've downloaded all the entries and will be putting everything into the pdf and sending it to the judges once they're in. Currently stands at 27 challengers, by far our most successful challenge yet.

As usual, it takes time for the judges to go through all the entries and give comments, so please be patient. Besides, there's a bit of time before 3DS Max 7 is released, so you shouldn't mind too much [:)]

I think the next challenge should be for the coders to put all these fantastic models everyones done into some kind of 3d zombie splatter fest!!!

How does the judging work?

cool idea me109, i'd love to see our beasties running around :P

I certainly plan on putting mine into UT2004.

you could almost complete a game with the quality assets created here! it could be a survival horror game that you are actually one of our creatures running around trying to survive from humans,,,

Heres a more detailed sketch of what ill be doing to the model in the next few days.
[img]http://devflat.net/lukedwyer/wip/zombie02.jpg[/img]

it amazes me how late some people are starting, good luck!!!

Moonunit_ I have been busy with work ;)

Heres an updated wire and flatshaded mesh.
[img]http://devflat.net/lukedwyer/wip/wire02.jpg[/img]
Constructive comments & criticism welcomed!

Hahaha! Thats really cool man [B)]

nice one buddy

thanks for the tip Idaho. I'm gonna fix that spec map. How is yours coming along. you think you finish on time?

Picpoc_ I really hope so! Ive just been hammered by a client to finish two images by friday but I will hopefully unwrap and texture on the weekend. No matter if i dont finish on time, i think he has potential to make it into my portfolio so i dont want to rush him too much.

Cheers!

A pity, this guys was looking pretty gross!(A good thing in a horror context!!) But yeah, if you want it in your portfolio than you dont want to rush him. Well good luck either way, it'll be cool to see him whenever he's finished.

Final submission

[img]http://devflat.net/lukedwyer/wip/idaho1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://devflat.net/lukedwyer/wip/idaho2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://devflat.net/lukedwyer/wip/idaho3.jpg[/img]
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[img]http://devflat.net/lukedwyer/wip/idaho5.jpg[/img]
[img]http://devflat.net/lukedwyer/wip/idaho6.jpg[/img]
[img]http://devflat.net/lukedwyer/wip/idaho7.jpg[/img]

Good luck to all!

Congrats, you're challenger #25!

Idaho... your pictures don't seem to be showing.

Ahh... fine now... very disgusting!

great work, love the snapped arm thing

Thanks guys, needs a heap more work, I ended up rushing afterall, I think I will unwrap him again more smartly and use the same texture elements in the new texture.

surgery gone wrong, and some. Great work

Good work, Idaho. [:)] I?m happy to see that you got it finished.
I love the final render ? while simple in concept, it?s got a certain gritty realism to it that really adds atmosphere.

I wouldn?t like to bump into him in a dark corridor of a mental ward!

Goodluck!!

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cool looking concept dude.. thou like you say you might have it cut out for ya getting the whole thing finished by the deadline.. all the same.. good luck!!

just an update. The poly count is 7420.

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wow thats looking pretty good especially considering the time limit

0k its just an other update. the model is finished at 7999 polys, and i am almost finished unwraping as well.
Here is my model. The unwrap i'll post later today.

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Hi picpoc, the model looks great. i am looking forward to seeing it textured!

here's the unwrap

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Hey PK.
I've started texturing. I'm doing bump, spec and gloss like with high poly then i'll put it in render to texture and see how it will look. c u later

here's my texture. It looks shit and I don't know what to do to make it look a bit better.

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Any ideas guys?

considering the concept, I reckon yourve done a good job texturing.. technically maybe you couldve use your texture space better, but its layed out fine.. I think you, since its a fleshy dude, make parts of his body look more rotten, he's got a really freshly skinned look going on (really red). Rotten parts can look all kinds of sick colors, like greys etc.. just an idea thou :)

nice work, i think all your texture needs is a spec map. which should bring up more of the muscular detail and leave him looking more "moist and lifelife" moist ewww its such a yuk word isnt it.

also a higher quality render would help

quote:Originally posted by Me109

considering the concept, I reckon yourve done a good job texturing.. technically maybe you couldve use your texture space better, but its layed out fine.. I think you, since its a fleshy dude, make parts of his body look more rotten, he's got a really freshly skinned look going on (really red). Rotten parts can look all kinds of sick colors, like greys etc.. just an idea thou :)

me109 you're right. I could have used my space better. about the rotten look, it's somethink i have tried to avoid, the idea was to create creature that's fast and athletic and not zombi like one. (but now i wish i did different concept for this)

here's better quality image, just for you MoonUnit [:)]

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looks much better with the spec map. tidy work!

That's it, all finished.

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aww i feel so special :P

wowee great work and good luck :D

Well done! You are the first challenger to finish. You're challenger #1.

holy hell good luck with this, theres like less then a week left!! :O

GO PK! [:O]

hey PK. Good luck. I think I'll join as well.
[:)]

Here is some images of my character... Im just about finished unwrapping and will start texturing tonight. Hopefully i will finish in time, I am pretty busy with other things, oh well! Poly count is 8226.

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I love it, great work

phew looking good, not sure how survival/horror it is though

Ive just started texturing my character,i have also attached the unwrap(2x512). I also have increase the count to 8324,as I have put in eyeballs that will be animated, as the rest of the head is set up for lipsyncing/expressions.

Moonunit, addressing your comment on if it is 'survival horror'. In survival horror games there are more than just the creatures that you kill or kill you, but there are other human or human-like characters that you interact with or turn into some huge creature that you end up killing. This is my character, who is the mysterious type character that mutates or 'whatever' later in the game. At the moment, scare factor is probably minimal but hopefully you will see what I have in mind once it is textured (if i get it done on time).

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ah cool, with that story and a nice texture it fits the bill :)

Here is 'kult' pretty much done, i will send in the proper submission requirements tomorrow, here are a couple of renders til then...hopefully he is scary enough!

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looking spiffy *bows down to anyone who actually has the tallent to paint there texture*

im done... total polycount ended up being 8328. I know i probably could have used my space in the unwrap a bit better.
I also used the alpha channel of the tga maps in the opacity slot. In the screenshots the opacity shows up as white. But you can see how it looks in the renders that i sent yesterday.

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You are challenger #2!

you can tell he's a bad guy.

i havnt seen this one before, with so many links i must have missed clicking this one.

Nasty. Is she on drugs? Looking cool dude!

pretty cool, though your thread name needs to be changed (check guidlines)

thank you for your sage advice moon unit.. changed it has been.

texturing...started

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we sages like to help where we can ;)
have you actually modelled beyond the torso and head yet? cause if so can we get a shot of that

Show us some wires too man.

yes i have and yes i will, can't do it till tomorrow as i'm at the wrong computer..

Wire and a full body view..

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Just missing the wireframeflat at the moment.. please email it to me asap.

First might I say thanks for the great comp. It got me learning 3D again.

This is the final model. It is a bit messy and imperfect but hey it was a good learning experiance for me. The concept has changed a little. The uniform is grey now, i wanted more of a contrast with the bloody/fleshy bit. I did not include the chains as i did not see why a person locked in a cell would have them on.

The photos were sourced from a book and digital photos I took. The book was the Collins Eyewitness Science: Human Body. The brain, ribs and leg muscle images were from the book. I combined them with the photos of myself in photoshop and painted over them.

Thanks for the help posting the pics Souri!

good work and good luck :)

Here, finally, is the wireframe. I managed to get hold of another computer and get this up (cannot post attachments on my machine).

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its looking very good at this atage, i think it has got a fair amount of individuality, although i agree as you mentioned that the parasite could do with some more development to really make it stand out. looking forward to the model

Heres a basic early mesh.
Im just having abit of trouble getting the idea on paper so ive kept it fairly loose and until I commit to a final concept sometime this week.

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lookin good so far, keep it up :)

Blimey, Im sure not winning on the popularity stakes,but I guess posting a human figure isnt exactly goin to have everyone drooling.
Thanks for the love, Con and moon.

Hes a sketch I gave a quick paint up to help refine the idea. Ill do one more after this as I still think its a little boring. More tentalce and bulges under the skin are probably the go.

How it works:
The parasite is ingestet and is incubated in the liver. As it grows its tentacles spread out under the skin to the majour organs so it can use the hosts lungs, heart, blood and bowel etc. The larger it gets the more energy it needs and until the host can no longer produce enough for 2, thats when the parasite must look for food. IT expands, ripping the host two so that mouth/extended stomach is at the surface.
Thats the point when the human loses contol of their body and can only watch in horror as the monster takes over..

Funnything is that there are real life parasites that do eat you from the inside out, so if your in Africa dont eat raw fish.

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cool sketch, hopefully you can carry its style over into your model

Ive refined the basic mesh and thatl do for tonight. The next stage will be to add more tetacles then detail the hands and feet until the poly limits reached. My concept was for scrawny limbs but im gonna have a play with the limbs and see if i can add more weight to the figure.
Then its my favourite part. UV's :(

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Ranny don't worry too much about not getting many replies to your topic, I think everyone's feeling a bit overwhelmed with the number of submissions for this comp and is having trouble keeping track of them all.

My 2 cents, looking at your wires I can see a lot of wasted polys in his shorts which could be better used for adding details such as the straps around his chest and arms. Otherwise looking fine.

Okay. Its abit of a jump since last post but heres afew viewport screengrabs with a slightly higher texture res than final.
After a bit of messing about adding tenticles I decided it would be quiker to remodel the leg and arm rather than continue and cut into a degrading mesh. Ive tried to take over the right hand side of his body leaving the left fairly normal so I can have a contrast in texture and size making him A symetrical.
I still have alot to do but i couldnt resist a quick pose.

Your comments and crits are appreciated.

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hes looking great so far, that tentacle thing on his arm is a bit confusing though. And the blood is like in streaks and looks like its been done with an airbrush down his leg/arm. Other then that, good work :D

Mnnn I see what you mean. Its funny, thats the bit of the model/texture i was most happpy with, the tenticles under the skin bulging under the flesh etc. bit I can see NOW that its not working quite how id imagined.
Thanks for the imput... dam, blast, rats, tsk :)

awsome concept :)

I think the mummy type skin comes across well aswell. Some of the bloody areas like the split in the head could use some definition though :)

Maybe give us another view of those hooks cos I can't really make them out like Moonunit said. Although I like the bloody leg.

The hook things are "in progress" tenticels that have burst throught the skin in the hand. If i have time id like to give them little mouths and have one coming out the brain head but im cutting it fine for final sub as it is.
I had a quick crack at animating him as the rig's all there.
It's literally 5 minutes work just to see what hed look like.

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I thought id post up the textures so far and see if I can get my post to 2 pages.

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ha ha awesome anim, good work :)

While im here....
Id say the textures getting closer, i have to revisit afew areas like the black leg areas and the hand but its coming along. Ive yet to bake lighting from the lighttracer and bump but Ill composite over in PHP once ive finished pixel pushing.

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yea, all the planets aligned and the mystical forces converged when I made that animation eh Moony :)

and there aint nothing wrong with that :P

I really really like that animation.. especially how the two halfs seperate back and forth..... freaky... good work dude!!!

Blimey, im not used to such flattery. Tell you the truth i was kinda regretting posting it, I was just messing about and wanted to see if I could get a quick animation to work well in 4bit/ 10fps gif, a hadnt even bothered to make the anim loop properly.
But im glad you noticed the 2 sides separating. (small tear runs donw my cheek). :)

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Is that the final shot for #7? Update it when you can if it isn't (if you don't, I can just accept the above)..
Well done, you're challenger #5.

That McDonalds shot is hilarious! Great stuff.

great stuff, interesting to see youve taken a comedic route in a horror competition, ill be interested to see what the judges think

My original money shot was soooo bad, and a real cop out, I was tired and lost the energy for the final push until id had a break.
Then came my epiphany.

Id shoot myself in the foot if i thought id get a laugh, and i may just have.
But to be honest I wasnt ever going to win so I might aswell go for the jokes.

I like the head. It looks really painful :)

good lookin zombie, nice face work

Hey nsb, welcome to Sumea. [:)]
So how long have you been into 3D?

Your model looks good. What?s the poly count on that?

looking good ns, quad perfection

Hey guys

Sorry for the late reply, went away for aweek and when i got back I had a freelace job waiting(nice surprise)

rannyroy, moonunit, aven, palantir :thanks I've been doing 3d for about 2 and half years and the head was 678 quads.

Newayz.. dont think I'm going to be able to finish the comp cos the freelace job is taking up all my spare time :(. After i first posted i asked some friends for crits-"its crap, zombies have been done to death. Try something new" I sorta agreed and tryed to go the sillenthill/resident boss style..didnt really work out too well heh (images):

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After that I only got one crit: "Its got Hentai appeal" [xx(]

Now to check out some other threads :)

Vagina head strikes again!

looks good :)
wizend: dont wanna know the kinda girls you hang around with :o

lol... It wasnt't my intention but I guess I've been looking at too much Giger. Maybe I should modify his arms into phalis aswell :P
If you think about it, could there be anything scarier than a spikey tooth filled vagina?

Heres a second concept sketch with him posing.

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quote:If you think about it, could there be anything scarier than a spikey tooth filled vagina?
LOL!!!! [:D] That?s gotta be the scariest thing a man could face!

Considering the mouth (it really does look vagina-like), the phallic arms are a pretty good idea. Seriously! Just don?t make them too phallic.

Finally Got around to doing some modelling.... should be interesting to see if i make the deadline.

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Looks pretty good, one thing I would suggest is maybe to make his feet a little bigger, just to give him a sort of wider base to balance his big arms and torso, at the moment they look a bit small to support him properly, but not drasticly so. But otherwise pretty cool.

Very cool, now this is more like it! I like the top 2 concept pages, especially the middle right head concept.

some really beautiful sketching here dude...... .... (takes hat off)

reminds me of the 'tarzan' concept sketches......

only with a 'd&d monster manual' (400 x better though!) look and feel

really freaky....

...... rock on!

quote: now this is more like it!

gee thanks....... Malus ..... [V]

wow, awesome idea and concept art. I like where your heading with the concept too, looks awesome in the last page. And I agree with Malus that the middle right head concept was the coolest, mainly cos' of it's unhuman-ness compared to the face your going with and if the body is going more human, could be cool contrast maybe.

I'm definatly liking the way your mind thinks man.

Tojo: you know I love ya [:P]

Really nice art. I really like the second body that is on all fours and has really long hands/forearms. Although it would be as practical as the more human designs, it just has a really freakish appearance to it >:D

I like it.. love the detail and the way you pose your drawings dude! can't wait to see this one in poly's

i agree with everyone elses head choice, and i also agree that thats some damn fine concpet work!!! you must have spent a long time in life drawing classes :P (with models better and more expressionaite then mine -_- )

Thats insane [:O] You better finish this conpetition Azazel!!! [:D] the concept work is top class < watches this space > Oh and Welcome to sumea !!

Nice concepts Azazel. I really dig the design my favorite so far. I think the last page with his intestines showing is the best one.

Okay, not as big an update as I'd hope to make but I got distracted by an advance screening of Dodgeball: A true Underdog Story, which I recommend (stay through the credits).

Anyway, I gave some more thought to what this creature would do in the game environment. I've found that figuring out how a creature does what it does can sometimes be a really good way to get yourself out of a rut. Basically I decided that this guy would be a bounder and by that I mean something that would get around by leaping from place to place. It would climb all over surfaces as well, making it something like a freakish ape. This means that it would need big thighs for leaping and big calves and forearms for gripping power.

Then I had a thought about how it would attack. The mouth is an obvious guess but in terms of gameplay it would be pretty boring if this thing kept running at you face first just to use the tentacles that its got there. Then I got the idea for an ambush predator. Bascially the creature would hide itself above it's prey then hoist the victim up towards it's mouth where the whole head could be inserted (this is why I made the neck have a long gash running down it, it basically increases the size of the mouth).

I took the hooked claws from birds like eagles and hawks which snatch their prey from the ground or underwater. Originally I was going to go with one big claw but the idea of lots of little claws hooking themselves under your ribs before you're hoisted up into the ceiling just creeped me out more.

Enough of that, here's my updates:

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Malus: Cool, good to know I'm heading in the right direction. I have a love/hate relationship with horror games (they're my favourite but I find it really hard to play them since I seem to get really sucked into them). This is basically the first time I've posted my stuff on a bored so its nice to get a good response straight up.

Tojo: Maybe Malus is trying to hint that its your turn to buy dinner. I get what you mean about the Tarzan stuff, I have a habit of doing really kinetic stretched out human figures when I get bored. This is just kind of tapping into that.

Animal: Originally I was going to go with the more human head. My friends that I originally showed it to seemed to go more for it and I thought it suited a more human body better. Now I'm slowly adapting the body to suit the wierder head which is why there's a seam running down the chest now. Its a small thing but I think it makes a good bit of difference.

Aven: Yeah, I've got a soft spot for that body as well but I ruled it out because I thought it would be hard to cram that shape into the spaces I want this creature to go. The only way to do it would have been to shrink it physically but I want this thing to be fairly sizable.

Me109: Here's hoping I can live up to it in polys. I'm pretty out of practice in 3d since I decided to switch back to traditional stuff after I finished my course.

MoonUnit: Actually I only started doing life drawing recently (tutored lessons at ACSA) and to date I've only had three lessons.

Hopefully more updates tomorrow where I should go into the colour scheme and some more reasons behind design choices.

Those are some great sketches!

you have a great eye for anatomy especially the hand sketches are pretty damn awesome. The concept is kick arse as well. My favourite so far in the comp.

I salute U :).

Sorry about the lack of an update yesterday, I got stuck for two hours trying to get files of a Mac onto a PC (no luck in the end either). Hopefully I'll be able to put something up tonight.

HazarD: I don't mind confetti just no rice, that kills birds...or something.

Delmo: I actually like the exposed guts one as well but I've ruled it one since it would require a lot of detail to model (or at least it would require me to make comprises I don't want to). I'll probably be going with the spec map option in this which would most likely leave me with a kind of lumpy surface with an internal organ texture on it. Now if I could use normal maps...

Conner O Kane: Thanks!

danger dave: The hands probably look a little more refined since I knew what I was trying to do with them and felt comfortable spending extra time on them. With the body I kept thinking about something else while I was drawing them so kept rushing to try out the new idea.

Its really twisted, physically and mentally. Cant wait to see more

Okay, so this will probably be the last of the drawn stuff that I'l be sticking up. I'm going to try and see if I can't colour the full body shot while I'm at work but that's about it. I haven't gone too overboard with detail (relatively) because I want to try and stay under the tri limit. I'm used to working high poly so this will be something of a challenge for me so I'm trying to work around my habits for now. If I have enough room left at the end I'll use that to start adding extra little things.

The first page is all about torsos. I'm hoping that by adding a seam down the chest I'll give the impression that there is one creature wearing another creature's skin so I was trying to avoid going with something predictable for the waist. Right now its actually based off a skinned throat which should hopefully give it some otherworldyness which I think the design may be missing now. The back I always wanted to have some sort of bony spine thing going so that didn't need to be designed too much.

The second page is more or less the finished design, I may alter the proportions a bit during modelling, shrink the chest, lengthen the arms, that head looks to big, but this is pretty much it. I know that it looks pretty dull right now but this creature wasn't really meant to be seen in such a bog standard pose. It looks much better when its contorted into wierd shapes and hunched over like it would be in game (at least that's how it looks in my head). The main body is going to be a very pale, dry skin colour whereas the torso and inside of the mouth should be a very lurid and slick red. This should give some nice contrast to the design and should really help for the impact when the mouth opens up. I'm also trying to go for the danger colour idea that you see on some wild animals, particuarly frogs and the like.

Oh yeah, for those wondering what that thing on the right of the second page is, it was meant to be a shot of the mouth wide open from front on.

Now onto the modelling.

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Colour version, as promised.

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Might go and do a full adjustment in Painter (screw around with the proportions, not just add colour) but I think I've fooled around with this long enough.

I found your thread! Final piece is looking great. Don't think you need to adjust anymore dude, it looks finished to me :)

I agree with JN. It looks great :)

damn, that is some fine work man. I didnt realise you were going to make the inside of the tentacles ehhh muscley (ah you know what i mean). Not sure if i like em better either way though

quote:Originally posted by MoonUnit

damn, that is some fine work man. I didnt realise you were going to make the inside of the tentacles ehhh muscley (ah you know what i mean). Not sure if i like em better either way though

To be honest I'm not entirely sure what the inside of the tentacles are going to look like, all I know is that they need to be red and slick like the inside of the mouth and the waist. That wierd random muscley look just seemed to be a decent way to stick some detail in there for the time being.

awsome dude!!

do you work in the industry ...?? great sketches ...!!

gotta anymore artwork to show??

Really nice colour scheme. Stands out, yet really easy on the eyes :)

quote:Originally posted by Azazel

quote:Originally posted by MoonUnit

damn, that is some fine work man. I didnt realise you were going to make the inside of the tentacles ehhh muscley (ah you know what i mean). Not sure if i like em better either way though

To be honest I'm not entirely sure what the inside of the tentacles are going to look like, all I know is that they need to be red and slick like the inside of the mouth and the waist. That wierd random muscley look just seemed to be a decent way to stick some detail in there for the time being.

makes sense, so you basicly want them to be an extension of the jaw/mouth rather then tentacles coming from the cheeks?

That character looks like it would be fun to anmiate. I can imagine him looking around and his cheeks swing with the motion of his head. Are you planning to animate your character after your finish? Keep up the good work!

Moonunit: Exactly. I'm hoping that because the look of the inside of the mouth continues out to the tip of the tentacles it should make the mouth look about three times larger than it actually is when its open all the way. Should also make the throat look deeper.

Delmo: I'm hoping to at least rig the creature for the contest so I can pose it but any animation will most likely have to wait until after the contest is over. I would like to do an animation of the mouth opening at least.

brilliant concept, i can't get over how awesome the feet are, they have a real sense of weight. also the colouring of the stomach is great, i needed that level of detail with my stomach. can't wait till the model and of course texturing (although it will further diminish whatever chance i have of winning)[:)]

awsome drawing and anatomy skills cant wait to see your 3d modelling!

Yeah nice concept :)
REally like the viens under his skin, gives the muscles alot of believability (probably not how you spell that word!!)
Ya better hurry if you plan on entering hte comp though

I really admire your drawing ability! Please tell me you were professionally trained and its not just raw tallent. Where can I go to learn to draw like that???
I have one small crit on your creature. His upper body seems a little too small to support his bulky head. Even if you are going for the withered look, I think that the rib cage should be a little larger. The head is in good proportions to it's legs, and the legs look like they should be supporting a larger frame. But hey, that's just my thoughts.[:p]

Don't worry guys, I'm not dead, I've just been finding 3d modelling a lot harder than I remember it being since I let myself fall out of practise while I worked on my traditional skills (which is my real passion I guess). Basically I'm so underwhelmed with my results so far that I really don't want to post my progress. Hopfully after the weekend when I've had an opportunity to work at it for an extended period, instead of waiting until after work, I'll have something to show.

Sinister: sorry buddy, no real training to speak of. I did Graphic Illustration at Uni SA for a year but left after I got really frustrated with the fact they were teaching more graphic design instead of illustration (six months of typography, no thanks). I just did a five week, three hour session life drawing thing but that's about the extent of my formal education when it comes to traditional stuff (I have a diploma in multimedia but that's a different skill set which I've sadly let languish). If I have any skill it mainly comes from paying close attention to my influences and getting a lot of info from the web.

Cool lookin, whats that on her shoulder?
hope youre a fast modeller! :o the comps like past halfway

A month?! Heaps of time.
Looks cool Pants, at this rate you're likely to start before me lol.

What is on her back?

quote:hope youre a fast modeller!

I hope so to, I have no yet failed to submit a final entry for the sumea comps, I hope this wont be the first time.

As for the ?what?s on her back?? questions, It?s a growth in which exists some form of controlling demonic parasite, it was a feature common in a lot of the SH1 entities.
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Pantmonger

ah cool, sorry i havent played the series, good luck :D

nice rendering pantmonger....

she is kinda hot..... well the bottom half anyway...

As said very nice render.
Kinda brings a new meaning to a bad hair day.
thing on her shoulder kind looks like a frog with a fat head [:)]
Just woundering how it attacks?
Once again nice work as always Pants final modell should be cool and the speed you go it will probably be done tomorrow if not today [;)]

Well so much for my clean run on entering and completing all sumea comps. I left this one till the last couples of weeks thinking, that will be ok, I?ll get it done. Then I get floored by glandular fever and have got the willpower / energy of an unconscious lemming. So that?s me out of the comp. *sigh*. Best of luck to those who see it through to completion, win or lose you will have still achieved something.

Pantmonger

sorry to hear it pants :(

Ah man, I was hoping one of us would finish. [:(]
Aren't we pathetic Mr Pants? lol

Is it ok if I use my being sick for 3 weeks excuse too? [:P]

thats a really nice effective and loose concept. the legs seem a bit small, but i think the face is top notch. looking forward to the model, hopefully u manage to finish

really ace sketch dude ..... good volume ....... minimalistic..

i hope you can keep the personality in the face when you model it.......

got a good vibe about it....... can see it turning into a really cool model...

Cool pic. I love the typical spray on jeans, small leg appearance :)

Cool animal. Punks look a bit undead naturally! Head looks cool with the nose missing. I suppose the wrinkled and torn clothing will be the hardest part (for me at least). I'll be keen to see the model started. Cheers!

looks great, i wonder if you could make the guitar a axe hybrid, or maybe just pose him with it like he was holding an axe. Hope you can keep the great style in your model

i like it looks good

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I think it still needs a bit of tweaking, and I need to make a proper mohawk with planes and alphas.

Thanks for the comments on the concept.
MoonUnit - Yeah I'll definalty make the guitar a bit more interesting than the concept (btw, it's a poor sketch of a BC Rich Warlock)but I always thought the guitar axe thing was kinda lame, Gene Simmons used one of them though and he kicked ass!

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So maybe i will.

lol ive only seen simmons with like spiky guitars, not an axe one :P
I just thought his lumbering frame would look cool dragging an axe

on the head, looking great all over cept maybe it might look cool if the mouth was larger. just looking at the concept where it like came all the way out to the cheekbones and stuff :P

im really liking this one, the hunched over back with the inserts and leg and everything looks really good, top stuff :D

Yeah, cool concept. I'm not sure about the clown texture however. I like the mech foot and the canisters on the back.

Here is my final submission.

See you next

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Your profile and quarter view shots are supposed to be 900x600, not 800x600. If you want to have more room to show off your work, you can redo them in the 900x600 size (you've got till midnight of course).. if not, then I can accept what you've submitted already.. You also need a money shot too.

You're challenger #7

Here is one for the "money"

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lol where would we be without animal mutations :P

I know you like to touch everyone in your own way Neil but this is taking it a bit to far [:p]

So where are the other two slackers?
*Cough* Tom.

nasty, like how the arms bent around instead of plain ripping out of his stomach

Cool. I hope he washed his hand first, could pick up a nasty tummy wog. I like a mouth in the palm of the hand.

Nice concept [:D]

Danmill: Your a Moander Cultist!

sorry for everyone that could see the pic last post... I had loggin issues...

nasty, is he walking on stilts?

nice work dude..

cant wait to see the different stages of modelling and development !

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he ends your pain obviously!!! not before giving you a whole heap to begin with??? [;)]

really dig the ink work....

very degenerate....

seriously nice s@#t!!

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definately a very nice concept, one of the best medical themed i have seen so far. should translate into a very nice model

Nice hairy legs and the worst case of tennis-sholder I've ever seen. I think he fits the theme with the surgical enhancements and being an altered human. I'd forget those John Lennon glasses though.

Ok I've completed the main modeling tasks. Made some changes to design. Now I'm putting it together, adding details and cutting down the polies to budget. Please feel free to add a comment. I know I'm a noob here but I don't bite!

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Thats creepy danno. Creepy in a good way though, not a michael jackson way (despite the botox)

would it be possible to beef those legs up some? They look a little atrophied when compared with the rest of his body.

good job!

classic dude....... only just read the x-lab makeover list .... pretty funny..

i wanna get one of those shoulders....... mine keep dislocating when i play basketball....

...... if i were to get new ones ..... i want them like that.. :)

Cheers guys. I think your right Bob. I might make the legs a bit thicker.

pretty neat, though personally id bring that left shoulder mouth closer to the chest.

Fair enough moonie.

wow, you've really made a great realisation of that concept so far, that chomping shoulder's awesome, and the face with being yanked back into a massive smile looks great. Only thing that bothers me is the top half of the legs, the muscle structure just doesn't look right (unless you made if different from human on purpose)it looks like you have the right mucsles going but that one extuded out up the middle of the leg is really what caught my eye, i just don't think it looks right with muscles going straight my the leg like that. I liked he nails in the arm in the concept too if you planning to still do them.

Cheers animal. Thanks I will look at the leg again. Yes I plan to add the nails. But it does depend on poly counts. Thanks for the comments!

Ok I've made some additions to the ref art

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I'm almost ready to texture...

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Heh, looks to me like he'd just fling that smaller arm around like he has a dead arm. What's the poly count, doesn't look particularly high. I suppose there's quite a few in that gut area of his.

This guy's courting days are over [;)]

No pelvis whatsoever! what the heck happened on his last date [:O]

Can the mouth/arm ... close its mouth and withdraw the arm like a tongue ? otherwise he would probably accidentally chew his own limb off when excited.

Hey guys thanks for viewing.

Wizendoldman: The poly count is about 7900. I need to shove a few more in just don't know where to spend 'um yet?

HazarD: Yeah I 'm goin' with the tounge shoot in and out idea. And he can still go on dates...He just can't...well lets just say he can't party so hard anymore. :(

Ok we got some UVW mapin' happenin'

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DOF in WIPs? What's up with that? ;)

heheh ... Ah just screwin' around! c(:

Ok I'm getting some paint on this model.

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man, that looks so fleshy its making me sick...

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heh heh thats some bad acne right there! :P

I'm almost ready to post the final.

Ok I've finnished. Here it is...

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The last money shot has to be 900x600 pixels! Can you fix that please?

Sorry Souri. Here is the fix...

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I uploaded and called it Danmill7.jpg

Cheers Souri

Congrats, you are challenger #4!

Whoopie! Ahhhh finnished.

good work and good luck :)

Thanks moonie

no sorry I carnt see the concept?? I want to see it . show me ,show me ,Show me now , Please :)

cool idea, executioner kinda fits the horror bill pretty neatly :)

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Figured I better upload something a little more substantial while I've had time to do it.
Two shots, fairly self explanatory each one.. Still working on fixing some of the facial problems.
You could argue that all that alot of the detail will get obscured by the mask, but crap, I think with the polycount, I may as well attempt to do the job right, rather than rely on the hood to hide things.

Blah blah, as usual I love the sound of my own typing. Comments, Crits. Throw 'em at me.

i like the high cheekbones........ and the dull and dreary 'im gunna cut yer ed of!' look about him..

kinda like .......'this is gunna hurt you more than its going to hurt me.......... and i dont give a shit..'

i hope you keep that .........

it would be good to see some really crappy teeth... and gums......

cheers tojo :D
The hill-billy smile is coming up next, thats definately an area that I want to get looking right.

Looks cool, my only crit is (and i dont know if it matters but) with the mask off he looks less like the old crazy man type character, you said you wanted to do the face right but its up to you if it really matters. I think it lies in the eye holes on the mask giving him the needed low brow/droopy under eye ring effect (if that makes sense).

Sounds good to me Moony, thats part of the intention actually, the mask turning him into, well something different.

I'll see if I can fix the face so it's creepier, without relying on the hood too much, Thanks!

*update above*
Gave him some hillbilly teeth, these will be randomised once i have finished the model, so it's not going to be symmetrical

Cool one saucey Bob. I have some thoughts on the concept (if you'll indulge me). Now don't you need to get some undead mutant action into your concept? I've been reading the threads on "Survival/Horror" and I think that sort of thing is required. Now I know you executioner is a axe weilding maniac but for the comp he may need to be dead. Or a least not very well. Head model looks good dude. Just offering my 2 cents worth. Cheers!

I'll see how I go about poxing him up some, I think that you have a good point there. I'm trying to avoid the 'undead' cliche however - let's see if I can fill the genre without making him a zombie.
Thanks for the suggestions!

give him a necklace with the big toes of all his victims, or his head garb is made out of their eyelids, or he has a "chalk marks" tattooed into his chest of how many he's killed (which glow with the heat of the innocents souls)... go to town! horror shouldn't equal shambling undead, else it gets old too quick in my opinion.

As is, He kinda reminds me of the bumbling torture guy in Shrek at the moment... keep on thinking he'd have a warcraft peasant voice and say "ahyuck!" a lot [;)]

I like the Undead mafia boss - cool idea [:D] I would make him longer in the legs make him look a bit more imposing - unless your going for the short fat 'bugsy' style.

lookin good and its a neat concept, personally id go for some more creepyness factor (as we are talking horror, so there is a certain want for scaryness). So i dont know if that means bits of metal lodged in him or a twisted face or what but im sure you can think of some cool ideas :D

Did you know you spelt mafia as mafai on the picture?

Looks cool anyway man, how are you going to do the face (mist etc)?

MarkMash: Did you know you spelt mafia as mafai on the picture?
Mothdust: [:0]Awww...[:(] !@#*!*!!... whoops. Thanks for the tip.

hee hee, mafai sounds like something on the menu of my local takeaway :P

Nice art. Really cool airbrushed look. The head looks cool, but I would really like to see the body for it.

Interesting concept, except that normal mapping isn't allowed in the comp and the doom 3 genre isn't survival/horror.

Aven : Thank you kindly for your reply.

Malus : thank you for making normal mapping clear... I probably missed it in the rules section.. Although about Doom 3 doesnt that fall at a horror/survival genre ??? (or please explain which genre it falls)...

note: that this is still a WIP.. the head etc could change

crazy, looks like a tyranid hormagaunt (warhammer 40k) zombified

I think this one is ok. If you hadnt mentioned Doom then noone would have said anything.
Just stay away from tech stuff like body suits, guns, etc and you should be right.

Silent hill, resident evil = survival/horror genre.
Doom 3 = first person shooter genre.

I know Doom 3 could be classed as horror in its "atmosphere etc" but its not billed as a survival horror "genre", people seem to be forgeting the word "genre".

We need to keep some boundries for this comp or people will be making anything and claiming it can be survival/horror and as such Doom 3 is stretching it too far. [:)]

Put it this way, if the brief said make a platform "genre" character everyone would hopefully do a Jax, Ty, Mario, Sonic style thing.

But it could be argued that in Halflife you had to jump on some crates to cross a pit therefore it had platformer gameplay and therefore you should be able to model Gorgon freeman. [:P]

See my point, boundries, needed for judging etc.

That guy would work in a silent hill, res evil or similar games though, looks good.

After playing Doom3 for half the day yesterday, I would have to say that the first half of the game comes very close to the survival horror theme (apart from the setting being in a martian base). The zombies and creatures certainly do (apart from "Pinky" with the mechanical back half).

Anyway, I love your concept and it suits the theme fine. Your digital painting skills are great. The muscle fibre look cool. I'd love to be able to paint like that! I too would love to see a concept for the body. Although normal mapping is out, bump certainly is in so I'd love to see some of that in your final model [:D]

quote:Originally posted by Malus

Silent hill, resident evil = survival/horror genre.
Doom 3 = first person shooter genre.

clearly this character fits a horror design.. so clearly it would be right at home in a survival/horror game.

..so obviously you are upset by the word "DOOM" an not by the design. Don't you think your being a little ...anal... and arguing semantics here?.. after all if DD had said the word "RESIDENT EVIL" you would have had no problem with this model.

it's a fantastic design that clearly fits the horror genre!

Malus: Doom 3?..... ummm I meant resident evil or some other GAME you find APPROPRIATE.

Makk: Thank you.. i have drawn up the concept and will post it soon. There wont be any guns or body suits and anything like that for this creature/monster.

Sinister: Thank you as well. Yeah unfortunately normal mapping is out but yes i will do bump mapping etc on it...

Just another point Malus (sorry to highjack your thread Dave :) ), Dino Crisis is also considered Survival Horror. Dinosaurs on a Space Station? Not what has been seen as 'Survival Horror' so far in this comp :)

Kit: I understand the concept would work in this comp, I said that it would, read my post and you'll see I never said he couldn't use it.
Just thought I'd put the whole doom 3 thing out before he modelled a mini gun on it.
So yeah I'm anal but only because I want everyone to have a decent chance at the prize. [:P]

Aven: I've never once mentioned Dino Crisis have I?

The reason for making a distinct boundary is because I've been indundated with personal emails asking what characters people can make, these ranged from cyber monkey demons to cute mario styled zombies, we needed a boundry for judging.

I could honestly care less if people want to do them, I just wanted to help people get the most chance of winning, next time I'll just let it be I guess.

DangerDave: Sorry for the highjack.
Btw: I was for normal mapping, most people said too hard. [:(]

Everyone: if you have a problem with the brief take it up with Souri or bring it up in the main thread, cheers. [:)]

Yes, post it in the main question thread so everyone can follow it too..

nice head! nice detail...... did that take long to do?

..... looks like areally pissed off/demon posessed choclate wheaton!! i dont know whether to run for my life or lick it :)

is it going to be a biped type character or have multiple legs/ alliens type body?

cant wait to see the rest of the concept and the modelling...

definately got a real doom3 look and feel allright...

keep up the good work ...

gameplay waise doom 3 is first person shooter, but the enemies jumping out of shaddows, or lurcking slowly out of shaddows in kinda survival horrorish. i think doom3 comes pretty close visually, with perhaps the only real thing going against it in terms of this comp is that it's heavily sci-fi.

actually i agree with you LW ... Doom as an enviroment is heavily sci-fi/survivalist (traditionally speaking) and although it can often embody obvious horror elements such as characters like this (that if met in real life would scare the absolute crap out of you).... it is not entirely as rooted with inner-fear or psychological fear/... as say the exorcist/blair-witch project/the ring/or the shining ....

( i read a couple of relatively 'subjective' journals on what horror is, and why it evolves over time..... interestingly enough... apperently trends in successful horror quite often follow media fears and 'presented' social phobias )

baring this in mind... i think that this concept (even though it is just a head at this stage) definately sits on the fence between two genres ( which could work against you as a negative?????) and if i were on the judging panel ..... i would be looking to see how it could be 'presented' in a fasion that would lend it more to traditional horror/survival motifs... or more to the point .... what could shape the idea a little further away from the sci-fi realms?

perhaps when you build on the story or concept?? it is definately painted well... and if this is your 'concept' then i cant wait to see the detail you put into the texture!.. [;)]

better off thinking about why 9 out of 15 responses in your post are arguing for and against the ligitimacy of your concept within the survival/horror genre rather than giving art/tech-advice and feedback on creativity........ now ...... rather than later... [^]

keep up the awsome work whichever way you go!!!!! [8]

Great image, the thing looks scary enough to me. I wouldn't worry about the rest of these bitchy posts.
Survival horror just means scary stuff, I mean Christ I loved resident evil but remember when the giant spiders came out.... they looked cool sure but how did we go from zombies to giant spiders. If the contents of this comp just mirrors what we have already seen in third person games it going to be pretty ordinary.
And Malus, I'd chill out, your going to have a break down if you start critiquing every post that goes up, let alone Dave's first draft concept.... we haven?t even seen what the rest of the thing looks like. And who cares where people get there influence as long as it?s scary.

There's nothing wrong with critique as long as it's constructive..

However, Doom3 isn't survival horror. It's a FPS with a horror setting. Survival horror isn't fast paced, twitch shooting, jump/run/shoot action, with little or no puzzle elements.. However, like Livewire said, the graphic style is close, BUT as soon as you start adding robotic appendages/sci fi elements into it, then I think you're heading towards the wrong track.. Malus was trying to steer you onto the right track, since you did mention Doom..

Heck, I heard alarm bells when you wrote Doom as well. The concept is great, and all Malus said was, if you're putting a chaingun on it or plan to have it with robot/metal appendages ala Doom, then we're getting to a style that's not really survival horror. That's all that was, and I'm not quite sure why people are getting defensive here.

i never intended the thread to be like this...

just like makk said i shouldnt have mentioned doom 3 genre at all, or anything that had to do with doom 3.

I know my concept doesnt mean anything for now it is just a head concept so please give me time to correct it and i can guarantee that it wont have any metallic robot gadgets etc attached to it.

Tojo: thank you. It did take me a while. it is very hard to paint and im still tinkering around painting flesh etc.

Great concept dangerdave - i would like to see that guy be some huge massive boss creature - just a pure abomination of flesh / limbs and all things tendonlike. That flails its wet meaty limbs / tentacles.

I say make him non bipedal - just a massive Caterpillar type thing or maybe even 4 legged spider beast. That concept tells a story to me - and I cant wait to see the whole body. Well done [:D]

quote:Originally posted by Malus
Everyone: if you have a problem with the brief take it up with Souri or bring it up in the main thread, cheers. [:)]

great concept!!! :D any thoughts on the body and what did you make that pic with (program (which) or traditional media ("))

What do mean no robotic appendages??? Do robotic appendages mean fast paced, twitch shooting, jump/run/shoot action? What about the final boss in Resident evil, he comes out of a test tube in what appears to be a sci fi setting. There were even sharks in resident evil!!!
And does Dave?s creature even have robotic appendages? I think he even said he wasn?t adding metallic parts after being hijacked by these posts. I wish we had seen what Dave?s original idea had been before the poor guy started reading these posts.
This comp seems to be pushing very narrow field of creativity based on games that through everything and the kitchen sink at you. All Dave mention was that he was taking inspiration from Doom 3, sweet, who cares were people get their influence from?!?
And I don?t think Malus should be coming down on concepts so hard, his comments don?t seem to be inciting new characters just pushing people towards the same old jazz?.. Or is that what we want to see?

quote:Originally posted by RLyons
after being hijacked by these posts.

if you dont think DDs thread should be hijacked, you should post your problems/queerys in the competition the competition thread. Im no moderator or staff but thats just my advice.

here is my concept for the whole body.... im still not happy with the head so it could change during the model... Also textures and detail could change because i never got the time to fully shade the bits i want in the concept (i had to leave it and model) ... :(

Ive started modelling and will post WIP and wires soon...

Moonunit: Thank you for your kind comments. I used photoshop to paint these images.

Hazard: Thank you :).

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looking superb, all i would say is that maybe you should enlarge that left arm a bit to offset the way the head seems to rests closer to the right. other than that no crits, its a nice shape and very detailed concept, looking forward to the model.

Thats coming along really well, love the eyes and the horns.
I'd maybe lose the furry tail but thats just me.

nice work again dude..... you have an eye for tonal detail and form....

i certainly wouldnt call it an 'chocolate wheaton' now .... especially to its face

are they all eyes??

it would almost work even without the head! especially that big eye under the topmost spike/scale

the feathered tail gives it a final fantasy monster style feel...

looks great .... you must be a pretty mean texturer i would imagine....

keep up the good work....

and get stuck into that model.... we are around the half way mark allready!!

Looks sweet. Agree with all the comments that have been posted. Especially Malus' one.

If you can model as well as you can paint, then this will be a massive forerunner :D

WoW thank you for comments guys :)...... i really apreciate it... Yes they are all eyes but shaded shit.... just did not have time :(....

I might loose the hair on the tail or maybe have some fleshy bits hanging......LOL just looking at it.... it does look quite crap.... :) thanks malus and aven.... i think there will be massive changes and looks to model by looking at it.. i hope i dont stray away too much..

Aven: i like modelling better than painting :) at least i get proportions right when modelling.....

dude thats freaking awesome, your one hell of a painter
crits, id loose the fur aswell, also i might tone down the muscle volume in the uppertorso/arms. Not saying make it all small and normal looking, just a little bit down.

Love it! I was hoping it would be some kind of massive tyrant / beast. Id go with some kind of club on his tail or more like spikes aka dinosaur'ish.

Hey

Been doing some work on the head, mouth is open full because it has
a scream attack and I didn't want to get any texture stretching around that area.

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Got some decent edge loops around the mouth area but around the nose and eye area it's a bit of a mess. The model looks like it would be a pain to work on at the moment. Keep at it.

looking nice at the moment, not the biggest expert on edge-loops what have you so i cant give you too much advice on that. the shape of the head is superb, although i think the eyes don't quite have the right expression, i was thinking of giving it a bit more of a frown around the brow. other than that, no crits

Some more work done on the head, low and highpoly images.

I had to add some teeth to see how the mouth would look, I have designed the jaw/teeth/lips to close completely too.

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I think that at the moment his eyes sit abit too high up, lower them a little.
Other then that I think its coming along well :)

....... sounds pretty cool.....
cant wait to see some concept drawings.......

he could bve carrying his intestines around with him in a bucket.... [:D]

lol, gota love that story.

and where did the prostitute bite? on second thoughts, dont answer that

LOL Any bite from a zombie has got to be severe but I'll leave it to your imagination I guess [:D]

He's going to drag himself around but the bucket idea sounds pretty freaky. Here's the concept. Small and lacking in detail but it's all I needed. Sorry it doesn't show much.

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I started a few days ago and took screenshots as I go along so here they are:

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Polycount is about 2100 so far but it's not finished yet.
I have also setup a bone rig but it needs to be tweaked. Thx

really cool man!...[}:)]

kinda got a stylized look about it....... i love the hair.. good to see a few 'classic' horror concepts rolled into one ...
priests are a quintessential cliche in the horror genre! especially zombie ones!..... and of course...which makes it even more true to the horror genre.... is the fact he was ( i imagine )fornicating just prior to his... turn for the worst..

cant wait to see the texture and finished model.. nice hands as well.... they have life allready! [}:)]

Cool idea. Good to see you didn't go for the quite so cliched little boy...

He should look really nice once all the polys are used. Seeing as there is only half of him :)

Love the Priest idea as tojo mentioned [:D] look forward to seeing this one done!

Cool idea and good execution so far :)

Thanks for all of the comments.

Here's an update:

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I think it's done. His Polycount without the cross is about 2700ish. Most things I added to the priest just looked too over-the-top and I guess I could put more detail in the face. But I figured if this was a character in a game with other full bodied creatures, he would look out of place. That's my excuse....... it's not due to half-assedness........ honest!. [}:)]

On to texturing now. Unless someone thinks I should change something about him that I've overlooked?.

I have other ideas in mind for the comp so I wanna get this one done.

Any crits are more than welcome.

something you have overlooked is that this competition has a minimum limit :P im not sure if entrants are applicable for the winning prize or whatnot if they dont meet that criteria but i imagine so (its 8 thou minimum btw)

really?... I just assumed it was 8000-8500 for the maximum limit.

Round out the limbs. You have loads of polies left to spend so I dont want to see any hard "boxy" edges. If you still have some left model in some folds. Also, put some more into the elbow joints so they will deform better.
Looks good how it is but yeah, spend some polies to polish it off :)

why not just go all out with the polys you hav a bit more to use
looks good i like the concept

Can I add - If some boss type person were giving me 8000 Tri's to build a model and 2 512x512's to texture it with, i would first contain my glee and squeels of excitement, closely followed by proceeding to use every last Triangle defining whatever the concept may be in the best way i knew how. No more no less.

Well maybe give or take a handful of Tri's [:p]

Apologies for the lack of updates, but school and work take up most of my time at the moment. I understand what you guys are saying, normally I would take full advantage of the high poly limit (and probably go over) but with this model it's different. Everytime I add more detail to it, the less appealing it looks to me.
Here's the latest update:

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Pauli G/2004811203031_priest5.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Pauli G/2004811203137_priest6.jpg[/img]

Got it up to 4000 polys. Some people have told me that I should model his lower body as well and have it next to him or attached by a thread of skin. So I will probably do that, but I want to get the main part textured and rigged. Any c&cs are more than welcome.

It is a shame that you aren't just adding more detail to what you already have. He would look very cool with some nice wrinkles on his shirt and so on.

Sorry for not updating. My fiance gave birth to our baby girl on the 21st. So I haven't even touched my computer since then. So here's the latest update just before my fiance went into labour.

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Pauli G/200483023250_priest5.jpg[/img]

Congrats Pauli G!

lol and thats a good enough reason if ive ever heard one, congrats!!

textures looking good to by the way, nice blood stains

Thanks Delmo and MoonUnit. Man, I took sleep for granted.
Precious sleep

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Pauli G/20049199636_paulig1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Pauli G/20049199717_paulig2.jpg[/img]
ZOMBIE PRIEST - 4000 POLYS

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Pauli G/20049199818_paulig3.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Pauli G/20049199914_paulig4.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Pauli G/200491991046_paulig5.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Pauli G/200491991136_paulig6.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sumea.com.au/forum/attached/Pauli G/200491995721_paulig7.jpg[/img]

Here's my submission:
I don't know what line you have to cross to call something photosourced. I did use textures and manipulated them. His jumper texture and the skin discolouration was found on my computer but the rest is all me. Thx all

You're missing the money shot picture!

wasn't that optional?

Congrats, you're challenger #23!

go the zombie priest, nice job mate

Love the money shot! hehe

i thought the money shot was optional aswell -_-
glad to see you did one though, looks cool :D

Thanx all.

I hope I don't get marked down because of the poly count, but he is half a character soooo technically he is right. [:D]

yay more zombies! :D looks great