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quote:Games need BLUE SKIES! Games need BRIGHT YELLOW SUNS! Games need RED AND BLUE THINGS in them! We want to play in a HAPPY PRETEND LAND, not a **** version of an American slum full of mixed-race gangsters wearing licensed sportswear!
LMAO
quote:Games need BLUE SKIES! Games need BRIGHT YELLOW SUNS! Games need RED AND BLUE THINGS in them! We want to play in a HAPPY PRETEND LAND, not a **** version of an American slum full of mixed-race gangsters wearing licensed sportswear!
While I agree about product placement (eg licensed sportswear) being Evil (tm) I prefer Kipper's point of view
quote:Let's not retreat to fluffy la-la land when it comes to youth culture in a time of war and social injustice.
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IMHO those blue sky people need brain transplants. Ideally brains with IQs over 40...
edit: I think this thread could have almost gone under political games btw mcdrewski, not that it matters.
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I think you're taking the site a bit to seriously Lorien.
I hope so... [;)]
They have some good points on the site, but they're mixed up with really dumb ones. Edit: the site is quite inflammatory, and I suspect mcdrewski was trying to get a reaction out of me anyway [;)]
My "intelligent" disguise is working [:P] If I can just get lorien to invest in my Brooklyn Bridge buyout I'll be ready to retire.
But yes, this is just a continuation of the old debate of games as play vs games as story vs games as medium for change.
That said, I see more political commentary and good work for change in the happy-fun-world of FF-VII or the future sci-fi of HL2 than in COD2, BF2, or in any of the GTA games. Maybe it's my middle-class sensibilities but I just don't find any resonance or relevence to next week's "GangWar3000".
Tell me that blue skies and talking animals aren't able to be political and then look at Animal Farm. I just see those games with a fantastic created world as more fun. More blue skies say I.
Edit: of course the original reason I posted the link was that I found it bloody funny.
quote:Originally posted by mcdrewski
My "intelligent" disguise is working [:P] If I can just get lorien to invest in my Brooklyn Bridge buyout I'll be ready to retire.
Afraid I'm fairly bright too mcdrewski... [:)]
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But yes, this is just a continuation of the old debate of games as play vs games as story vs games as medium for change.
I personally am not so much into games as medium for change (that's Kipper's area), I'm more interested in seeing where games can be taken as a medium. That bluesky site is basically saying "don't do that", without much thought about games still being quite new and unexplored territory as a medium.
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I just don't find any resonance or relevence to next week's "GangWar3000".
That's one of the things I agree with too.
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Tell me that blue skies and talking animals aren't able to be political and then look at Animal Farm. I just see those games with a fantastic created world as more fun. More blue skies say I.
I prefer Huxley's Brave New Word and Island, along with Orwell's 1984 to Animal Farm (also George Orwell), but that's a good point. Edit: I think perhaps there's a warning for game developers in Huxley's message about soma (the perfect hallucinigenic drug without side effects) in Brave New World.
I'm a big Zelda fan btw, so I do like some "fluffy la-la land" type games [:)]. I have no problem at all with saying "More blue skies", so long as it's not saying that people shouldn't be making anything else.
Edit: also I understand that many gamers are in their mid 20's/early 30's, which is part of why people have been getting annoyed about there being no R rating in Aus. My poin being that if you really tailor a game for the older market you could still sell a lot of copies. Though of course you could also make something as "read between the lines" as Animal Farm and go for that G rating [:)]
Jesus christ all mighty, why don't you just marry this Kipper fella.
Politics in games. I duno, the geneeral gamer could care less about that shit. Then again, I guess thats the whole change part so all the power to him.
Blue skys in games. I agree, that site is mad, more blue skys and happy music. Especially in racing games and soccer games, this fifa and needforspeed shit is shit.
quote:Originally posted by denz
Jesus christ all mighty, why don't you just marry this Kipper fella.
[:)] Kipper is another old friend. Happens to have caused quite a stir with EFW amongst other things. Do I have to point out I'm male yet again? [:(]
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Politics in games. I duno, the geneeral gamer could care less about that shit. Then again, I guess thats the whole change part so all the power to him.
Doesn't worry me. I was a little involved with EFW is my connection to political games. I find games with substance more enjoyable than games made from fluff, but that's just personal preference. I prefer books to movies too.
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Blue skys in games. I agree, that site is mad, more blue skys and happy music. Especially in racing games and soccer games, this fifa and needforspeed shit is shit.
I'd rather just high quality games that engage the brain a little. Blue skies or not.
Politics can kiss my hairy ass..
A Point - Issue ? Moral lesson however is something not many games ever try to do. Most of the time we put 100% of our hearts into both entertainment and graphics.. And usually the game with poorer graphics has better storylines.
Dark Chronicle is a good example. The game has a story but between the lines it had a few moral points it wanted to make. One was that revenge isn?t the answer to justice. Another was to never forget and repeat the horrible mistakes of history. But these points where never said in point blank. The storyline weaved it into the game.
If I ever get to design my own idea.. Rest assured it comes with a moral to it.
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quote:Originally posted by Caroo
Politics can kiss my hairy ass..
Maybe you should be locked up in the Woomera detention centre (even though it's closed now) for 5 or so years without trial. Then see how you feel about politics [:0] (joking btw Caroo).
That?s a good come back. But you already now what i mean XD. I think Australian on a whole would listen into politics more if the pollys actually did something for the little or underprivileged once in a while. Wether they do or not at the moment it feels like our government cares for nothing more then economy and would happily turn everything over to privatisation if they could.. Hell their doing there best at it right now...bye bye telstra you?re now owned by Mexico ?Mochas Greasies Big pond XD!!?
Like many. When i say "politics can kiss my ass" it doesn?t mean I have no knowledge of it.. it just means I?m totally sick of general incompetence of ensure better quality of life rather then self pocket filling.
As far as I see it. Democracy only comes once every 4 years, in the mean time you?re the bitch of the richies!!
XD ok. I?ve had my fun. I?ll shut-ta my face now!!
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quote:Originally posted by lorien
quote:Originally posted by Caroo
Politics can kiss my hairy ass..
Maybe you should be locked up in the Woomera detention centre (even though it's closed now) for 5 or so years without trial. Then see how you feel about politics [:0] (joking btw Caroo).
Wether they do or not at the moment it feels like our government cares for nothing more then economy and would happily turn everything over to privatisation if they could..
Maybe you should be unemployed or "working poor" for 5 or so years, then see how you feel about being dismissive of the economy.
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haha, saw that the other day. I like the one about the music.