Some questions...

Well i haven't been around here that much often.
When i do drop by there hasn't been anything that i wanted to or had time to respond to. Just incase you were wondering where i have been (which you haven't [:(]) i have been busy preparing for a large scal 3d animation project. Well large scale for one person.
I am trying to do an anime style action scene (from noir actually) and i want to use cel shaders to make everything look like anime.
That brings me to my questions.
1:cloth sim
i am after some form of cloth sim plugin (i have heard of clothreyes or something like that and have read some tutorials) i want ti mainly to do crisp suit clothing for some male characters. It might also be usefull for one characters hair and some other clothes.
Essentailly i want to know how to get it to do what i want (the suit stuff) as well as anything else that will help.
2: cel shaders
i have read many tutorials but most of them are too hard to do while animating or don't get the effect i am after. You probably have seen anime and how there are 2 shades in light and in shadow (for the characters anyway) and i would like to know if there are any cel shaders that can do that (like simbiont max but i am pretty sure it has 3 shadesand i don't have it or max installed so i can't check if that can be changed)
Thats about it
I'll upload it somewhere and post link here when its done so you guys can have a look see
Any other advice will be great, i have read comic-comets tut on character animation and i shouldn't have too much trouble seeing as the animation isn't all that complex (or have much acting stuff in it, its just a gun fight [:)])
Hmm i just noticed that most of my posts are the longest on these forums [8]
guess i have a tendency to ramble [8)]
so i'll just stop now

Bloody hell its a giant harmonica!

JonathanKerr's picture

I dont have Max 4.2 myself, but I've seen that it has a cartoon renderer, so that could probably be fiddled with to get the cel shaded effect.

One of the forumites here has a tutorial on creating cel-shading (David Coen?) on characters. It's to do with altering the falloff in the material editor or something.

I think older versions of cloth reyes have been relegated to freeware status -- it's a handy wee tool.

souri's picture

Yeh. Cloth reyes plugin has been made free. I think it only applies for the 2.0 or 2.5 plugin only though.

Meatex Salami's picture

Well i just had a look at cartoon reyes and it is exactly what i am after :)
Also if anyone can tell me any usefull tips on using cloth reyes and getting it too work. (if there are any settings which a very important let me know what they are what they do for example)
I am also confused about how do i model a peice of clothing prior to using CR on it. Like do i model it in its completly crisp form with no folds or anything?
The more info the better
thanks [:)]

#edit
Does anyone know what restrictions the various reyes demos have?
If its just time limit or something i'll get those.
I really hate using older version even if they are free :)

Bloody hell its a giant harmonica!

davidcoen's picture

think it was clothreyes that i was using earlier this year. could only use it after doing the tutorials (needed to understand sampling as i was using big movements)...

for anime style, why not be creative and do something different, like use usual strong primary colours to deleniate areas of the character, but then have a large realistic cloud refelction map to abstract the surface but with hyper-realistic detail..... or use the 'metal' material setting in max and ramp up the values....

Meatex Salami's picture

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Originally posted by davidcoen
but then have a large realistic cloud refelction map to abstract the surface but with hyper-realistic detail.....

Not really sure exactly what you mean by that (or more importantly what visual effect that would have) but i wouldn't mind doing that kind of thing later on.
I wanted to keep to traditional anime style as i have a pretty short timespan to complete this project (and im a big fan). Also im not that experienced so i think i should try the standard before i go creative [:p]
While i am on the topic of anime anyone here been or going to japanime film festival 02??
Anyway i have 4.5 weeks to finish so im going to get going (im doing plan, timing etc. first)
I'll check back every now and then.
I should have a link for people in about 7 weeks
(im just a poor 56ker [:(])

Bloody hell its a giant harmonica!

Blitz's picture

I'm going to a couple of the japanime fest films...can't afford a season pass or anything, but hopefully i'll get to 3 or 5 sessions...
CYer, Blitz

davidcoen's picture

going to see Patlabor3 tomorrow night, wanted to see cowboy bebop but it sold out. nothing else took my fancy (not enough time and a $17 to book tickets...)

'blood' is something i would recomend (on video), a bunch of student under mamoru oishi (ghost in the shell, platlabor2) made a short film with a very definate style, (flat areas of colour and v.dark lighting)

best of luck with your project, was considering animating 4 pages of the ghost in the shell2 manga as a demo reel but wasn't happy with my models for it and not having enough spare time...

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Obsolete 386's picture

Yeah i wish i had the money to go and see the anime festival when it comes to canberra, but i won't.
Also i have max 4.something, but my celeron 300 (i know it's shite) can't run much

The universe is big so don't complain

Brain's picture

When's it coming to Canberra??

Chris Bowden
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souri's picture

No idea, but I sure would love to see Patlabor 3. [:)].. how'd that turn out David ?

Obsolete 386's picture

The anime festival starts here Nov 8th. I can't go cause i don't have enough money[:(]

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Brain's picture

I checked up on more info at the japanime site. Gotta trip into the city at some point and find out the timetable. If there's a chance I could see half of the stuff on show, I'm there. Work can go bugger itself for a coupla days @;-)

Chris Bowden
http://brain.gamekey.com/

davidcoen's picture

Platlabor3 rocked. (but then my second favourite anime films is platlabor2, favourite being princess mononoke)

weird seeing elements of platlabor2 in it (mamorou oishi, the director of p2, gts, is quite distinctive) but it was very much a more TV scale movie, art taken down a notch and more domestic charactures (focus is 2 dectectives rather than section2, though I did let out a cheer whenever Goto came on screen)

also very much in the japanese drama tradition of the female ghost seeking revenge. Did like it, but didn't realise that another of the films was by studio ghibli else i would have seen that instead.

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Obsolete 386's picture

It costs $51 for 6 tickets to see whatever m00/13 you want.

Some c00 ones there, but i have more import things to spend my money on (Like a car)[:D] or a good comp [}:)]

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Brain's picture

Mmmm, true. But, $51 ain't that much really.

Looks like I'll be working the Friday and Saturday nights. Still gotta grab a time listing, see what I could see.

Chris Bowden
http://brain.gamekey.com/

Obsolete 386's picture

$51 is enough for me not to be able to afford it. I got $108.80 for working on Saturday, all of which is going into Car expenses and Y12 Formal (YAY no more schoo0000o00o0oooo0ll in 2 1/2 weeks [Mega Yay])

No money for me for ages n ages n ages

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